Greek Mythos Mafia - Game Over, Town wins

There's always the assumption that Corn was lying and he didn't want to risk voting for him in case he was telling the truth. No Lynch is a pretty safe vote.

Not really, as I explained previously, had Corn been wrong, he'd have been up for lynch today. Or if we had successfully gotten a mafian, it would be rather obvious after Day 2 whether or not he was telling the truth. If the mafia had killed him that night, he'd have turned back time and come back to life, meaning no kills, or if they targeted someone else, he could turn back time meaning no kills. Really, voting no lynch in that scenario was one of the least effective ways of doing things. As such, I'm voting for him unless someone else has a better target, which so far, no one has offered one.

Nalek is a little supicious if you didn't see that E6. He tried to get rid of Corn, who we all know is a confirmed townie.

[Vote]ElectricSix

Siding with mas on this one.

Nalek is a little supicious if you didn't see that E6. He tried to get rid of Corn, who we all know is a confirmed townie.

Mentioned that I was suspicious of him earlier as well, but at least the voted for someone, even if it was for Corn. Again, that makes more sense to me than no lynch. I can believe Nalek just plain didn't believe Corn, but I have trouble believing that anyone thinks no lynch on the first day is good, especially after hearing of Corn's ability.

Mentioned that I was suspicious of him earlier as well, but at least the voted for someone, even if it was for Corn. Again, that makes more sense to me than no lynch. I can believe Nalek just plain didn't believe Corn, but I have trouble believing that anyone thinks no lynch on the first day is good, especially after hearing of Corn's ability.

I used to like No Lynch on day 1 as well - it took a few games for me to actually see why it's a bad idea. Again, he's relatively new, he has to make mistakes to learn. I'm keeping an eye on him, but it's hardly enough suspicion to go killing him from.

I see that this is heating up :o
Votes so far
TKWizard - 3
ElectricSix - 3

I don't mind a RNG godkill by tying the votes today, seeing as we don't really have a good lead. Thoughts everyone?

Eh I don't mind giving people the benefit of the doubt, but it's also important to actively be voting for people. It's not so much whether or not TK is a mafian or not. Of course it's nice if he was, but I don't seriously expect to find a mafian til Day 3 or 4 at the earliest. However, with me voting aggressively so far we've had two productive days with several votes from people. As I said previously, I don't mind if people vote for me, just by voting they are helping to figure out things for the rest of the town. So if we want to go with a rng kill, that's fine with me, but I think rather than trying for a rng kill every time, it's slightly more productive to find people via split vote with a slight majority on one side or the other.

Eh I don't mind giving people the benefit of the doubt, but it's also important to actively be voting for people. It's not so much whether or not TK is a mafian or not. Of course it's nice if he was, but I don't seriously expect to find a mafian til Day 3 or 4 at the earliest. However, with me voting aggressively so far we've had two productive days with several votes from people. As I said previously, I don't mind if people vote for me, just by voting they are helping to figure out things for the rest of the town. So if we want to go with a rng kill, that's fine with me, but I think rather than trying for a rng kill every time, it's slightly more productive to find people via split vote with a slight majority on one side or the other.

[color="#cc8899"]However, this also runs into WIFOM territory - constantly provoking large arguments lets the mafia hide in the crowd and leads to large 50/50 style arguments. Those are rarely useful until it's too late to learn anything from them.

Keep in mind who you're playing with - Southperry mafia is full of bandwagon voting in its history. What you're doing isn't revealing anything - people like you and I almost always vote while people like Synthesist almost never do. Regardless of the situation, that usually doesn't change. In essence you end up forcing people to vote for one of the majority cases if they can't dissuade people. Turning around and using that as evidence is absurd.[/COLOR]

[color="#cc8899"]However, this also runs into WIFOM territory - constantly provoking large arguments lets the mafia hide in the crowd and leads to large 50/50 style arguments. Those are rarely useful until it's too late to learn anything from them.

Keep in mind who you're playing with - Southperry mafia is full of bandwagon voting in its history. What you're doing isn't revealing anything - people like you and I almost always vote while people like Synthesist almost never do. Regardless of the situation, that usually doesn't change. In essence you end up forcing people to vote for one of the majority cases if they can't dissuade people. Turning around and using that as evidence is absurd.[/COLOR]

Eh I disagree as far as large 50/50 splits being useless. True they're not always useful immediately, but later on in the game, they can sometimes tip the balance as far as figuring out who is a mafian or not. And splitting 50/50 is still better than a pure majority with everyone bandwagoning as we've seen with Synthesist before. Generally speaking, the only times voting doesn't help is when everyone votes for a different person and there is no clear majority of any kind. And even that has it's uses, but as you said, that doesn't happen much in SP games. Anyway, this is all getting into meta game talk, so I think I'll try to stop here, but I still feel that anything that gets people to vote isn't a bad thing, and the lack of aggressive voting has hurt the town in early games before as no one wants to take the risk and get things started.

Eh I disagree as far as large 50/50 splits being useless. True they're not always useful immediately, but later on in the game, they can sometimes tip the balance as far as figuring out who is a mafian or not. And splitting 50/50 is still better than a pure majority with everyone bandwagoning as we've seen with Synthesist before. Generally speaking, the only times voting doesn't help is when everyone votes for a different person and there is no clear majority of any kind. And even that has it's uses, but as you said, that doesn't happen much in SP games. Anyway, this is all getting into meta game talk, so I think I'll try to stop here, but I still feel that anything that gets people to vote isn't a bad thing, and the lack of aggressive voting has hurt the town in early games before as no one wants to take the risk and get things started.

Agreed. However, there are still several players who have established themselves as crisis-only voters. We can expect that to happen here as well, meaning perhaps they should be our targets - they'll be otherwise impossible to get a read on unless they are forced to defend themselves.

Eh I'm fine with picking others to vote for, as I said, I suspect TK and Nalek, but suspicion is rampant this early in the game. The main goal I've had is to get people voting early on and so far I think I've at least somewhat suceeded in that. Whether for me, against me, or otherwise is fine with me so long as it doesn't turn into a majority bandwagon or something of that nature. RNG godkills right now aren't a good thing given the odds, but until we have a clue as to who is actually mafian, we're fairly stuck with picking people who seem like they might be mafian or hoping chance favors us.

I honestly just didn't believe Corn about his abilities and figured that he was mafian. Having such powerful ability would have us stay off his tail for a while. But now I know better n_n Id also note that this is my 1st time playing a Mafia game EVER so Im still getting used to how pomegranate goes down in these games

[Vote] TKWizard

I'm not sure if the evidence really adds up to TK being mafia, but MasPan defending him so heavily has gotten me curious. If TK is mafia, then my money's on MasPan being mafia too. Let's find out?

[Vote] TKWizard

I'm not sure if the evidence really adds up to TK being mafia, but MasPan defending him so heavily has gotten me curious. If TK is mafia, then my money's on MasPan being mafia too. Let's find out?

[color="#cc8899"]I do this in every mafia game when I feel someone is being voted for with little evidence. Go do some research from previous games and you'll see that.

As i said, I'm suspiious of him too, just not enough to kill him yet.[/COLOR]

I've seen you do it in the past, but that doesn't mean the circumstances are the same in this case. Still, I guess I'll unvote for now and leave it tied.

Ah, DFO, taking all my free time. After catching up on the thread I have no idea to vote for. E6 voting for someone who voted no lynch, TK voting no lynch or MasPan who is defending TK strongly which could connect the two.

Meh, I'll just sit this one out I guess and let a God (lol God) kill happen. Sorry for not voting with you E6 or Mas.

Ok it's time for me to leave so I'll say this one more time, Night starts at 10 PM EST, stop posting here and start sending night actions at that time. I will post results of the day when I get home.

Some notes now that I've finished rereading:

As I said previously, the Gorgon trio aren't necessarily neutrals (see: ThatHurts' flip). I'm not saying I'm the last in the trio, but I've seen quite a few scenarios where there have been "teams" (Siblings/Twins/whatnot) where some of the "team" members have been scum while others haven't.

Synthesist and Corn are probably the only 2 complete town reads I have so far. Synthesist's aggression toward Corn could only have resulted from a townie, and Corn's WIFOM kill-at-night roleclaim was, although stupid and risky, a town move.

MasPan, may I ask why you're voting for E6 if you believe that No Lynch is a better option? Just seems...odd.

E6's vote on TK, although justified with reasoning, could possibly lead to something in the future depending on the resolve.

TK's defensive stance seems a bit scummy, although I'm not entirely sure what to take out of it so far. It could simply be a strong town role who doesn't want to die, or a player that doesn't want to give up their life. It's hard to tell at this point.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, ThatHurts' vote was counted in the last vote count even though they're dead. You might want to correct that.

And on the comment of the conversation involving too much meta game; Mafia IS Meta Game. Someone's meta game is always useful in reading other players.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, ThatHurts' vote was counted in the last vote count even though they're dead. You might want to correct that.

I'm not dead... I was lynched then brought back from the dead by Corn.