[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills

What exactly are you hoping a video would demonstrate?

That Illusion isn't crap.

I'm not saying you're saying PI is worse than Illusion. I'm saying Illusion is utter garbage and PI is better in every possible way and there's absolutely no way Illusion could be useful in any possible regard. At all.

Goodness, for an Evan thread this sure is getting heated, and we are not even comparing two different classes...

I think everyone is now far too entrenched in their argument to give any ground to their opponent (other than perhaps Tikey).

To make my post more topical, it appears that the Dragon Blink or whatever it is called picks only specific areas of the map to teleport to, I wonder if the data says anything about this, perhaps there might be some sort of distribution of probabilities for where one would land in a map.

Goodness, for an Evan thread this sure is getting heated, and we are not even comparing two different classes...

I think everyone is now far too entrenched in their argument to give any ground to their opponent (other than perhaps Tikey).

Hehe.

To make my post more topical, it appears that the Dragon Blink or whatever it is called picks only specific areas of the map to teleport to, I wonder if the data says anything about this, perhaps there might be some sort of distribution of probabilities for where one would land in a map.

I've been wondering about this too. All the spots that both players teleported to were all too convienent for it to be truely random.

Hehe.



I've been wondering about this too. All the spots that both players teleported to were all too convienent for it to be truely random.

Probably be some great results on completely flat one platform maps. Or terrible.

That Illusion isn't crap.

I'm not saying you're saying PI is worse than Illusion. I'm saying Illusion is utter garbage and PI is better in every possible way and there's absolutely no way Illusion could be useful in any possible regard. At all.

And what if they change it? Which will most likely happen. What if both time runs come out PI does it 2 seconds faster than Illusion?

And what if they change it? Which will most likely happen. What if both time runs come out PI does it 2 seconds faster than Illusion?

Then Illusion won't be crappy and we won't be having this conversation? It's not like any of us want Illusion to be pomegranate, that's just how it is.

Blink hopefully isn't totally random, there'd no use in teleing to a platform where no monsters spawn. Judging from the vid it does though, but if you train on smaller maps or larger maps with mobs everywhere like ToT, then it should be fine.

And what if they change it? Which will most likely happen. What if both time runs come out PI does it 2 seconds faster than Illusion?

Jason stop freaking out. Like you said it'll probably be changed so just calm down. Numbers do say a lot especially in a game like MS but they don't say everything. Just wait for your video to come out if your right your right your wrong your wrong no other rhyme or reason for it just chill NEXON won't let a skill like Illusion go down so poorly.

Then Illusion won't be crappy and we won't be having this conversation? It's not like any of us want Illusion to be pomegranate, [i]that's just how it is.[/i

Yes. You can't say that unless this is an official server release which it is not so to say it's crap is wrong but rather it's just a momentary standing point.

Also:Not to add fuel to the fire here but I saw the Evan videos and did some calculations of myself. After adding all hits of Illusion at level 10 max damage and that of lettering I can safely say the damage even as a level 10 Ill is only 1-2k different in damage. With that I conclude that a level 30 Ill compared to lettering could very easily over power it. In the terms of DPS unless Ill has a huge advantage in power over lettering then speed will decide it which in that case lettering will be the better skill.

inb4KMSmakesnewpatch?

Also:Not to add fuel to the fire here but I saw the Evan videos and did some calculations of myself. After adding all hits of Illusion at level 10 max damage and that of lettering I can safely say the damage even as a level 10 Ill is only 1-2k different in damage. With that I conclude that a level 30 Ill compared to lettering could very easily over power it. In the terms of DPS unless Ill has a huge advantage in power over lettering then speed will decide it which in that case lettering will be the better skill.

Why thank you for showing that 720% is greater than 660%. Now if only we had a way of proving if 840ms is faster than 1590ms.

*facepalm*My god its like talking to a wall. I said I want to see the two used on a boss so I can SEESEE for myself the damage of the two skills and the times and COMPARE THEM FOR MYSELF

Feel free to. You'll just realise that they are right and you are wrong.

No offence here, but calculating the damage theoretically will yield roughly the same relationship as an experiment will.

PI and Illusion will be subject to the same...conditions (for lack of a better word) if you carry out an experiment in the actual game. It's not going to change the relationship between the two.

If you really do insist on seeing it for yourself, go ahead. No one's stopping you.

The only real difference to testing it yourself will be human errors and mistakes.

Why thank you for showing that 720% is greater than 660%. Now if only we had a way of proving if 840ms is faster than 1590ms.

Couldn't have said it better myself. It amazes me how such a thing caused a ruckus for over 2 pages. If you have the turtle's speed and the rabbit's speed, you'll know which one wins in a race without putting them into one, despite that goddamned story.

There is no hidden attribute like THE HEARTS OF THE CARDS here to be considered in actual scenarios. Everything is simply basic math, give me an input, I'll give you an output.

Why thank you for showing that 720% is greater than 660%. Now if only we had a way of proving if 840ms is faster than 1590ms.

Wow dude way to be a real jack ass. Southperry again fails to amuse me at how little they can read or understand a concept. If you recall I said unless Ill has a major advantage in power over lettering then lettering will win. if your going to be an ass or try to show people up at least try to insult them or show them up.

Couldn't have said it better myself. It amazes me how such a thing caused a ruckus for over 2 pages. If you have the turtle's speed and the rabbit's speed, you'll know which one wins in a race without putting them into one, despite that goddamned story.

There is no hidden attribute like THE HEARTS OF THE CARDS here to be considered in actual scenarios. Everything is simply basic math, give me an input, I'll give you an output.

Even if you consider this simple math there are always factors that can change the outcome for better or for worse. Hence why sometimes a visual data is better than quantitative data. You can say as much as you want numbers equal something and that means it's right everytime, but if a visual reprentation does not equal the numbers you put on paper then your doing your math wrong. Most things in this world look one way on paper and then when seen in eye contact is almost always different so then changes are made. Plus maybe you should read that story more carefully the tortise wins because he's more catious and same thing can be applied for ms. If a person just goes around flaunting his damage verse a person who decides control is necesary then tell the control person will most likely win.

Plus maybe you should read that story more carefully the tortise wins because he's more catious and same thing can be applied for ms. If a person just goes around flaunting his damage verse a person who decides control is necesary then tell the control person will most likely win.

You talked about people being unable to read and understand something, oh god i lol'd.
He said "despite that goddamned story" as in, you know what'd happen, even tho the story said otherwise.
Just like a car will outspeed a bike.

But honestly, this discussion is getting silly, let's wait for it to come out of tespia.

OT: The new aran skills look promising, i love combo recharge

Why is this argument even happening? We have current stats for damage and cast speed for Illusion, and damage and cast speed for Phantom Imprint. Clearly, Phantom Imprint's stats are better. Agreed?

You can talk about how this isn't properly balanced, or how they will probably make some more changes to the skill values. Just accept those numbers and stop suggesting that "visual data" can somehow change anything. Nexon has implemented poorly balanced skills into official versions and left them there for years before. I don't see why one unbalanced test server value is causing so much doubt.

You talked about people being unable to read and understand something, oh god i lol'd.
He said "despite that goddamned story" as in, you know what'd happen, even tho the story said otherwise.
Just like a car will outspeed a bike.

But honestly, this discussion is getting silly, let's wait for it to come out of tespia.

OT: The new aran skills look promising, i love combo recharge

you'll know which one wins in a race without putting them into one, despite that goddamned story

And yet I lol at you. He's talking about the moral behind slow and steady wins the race.

And yet I lol at you. He's talking about the moral behind slow and steady wins the race.

No he's not. o_o
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If you have the turtle's speed and the rabbit's speed, you'll know which one wins in a race without putting them into one, despite that goddamned story..

He's saying that you know the rabbit will win.

And yet I lol at you. He's talking about the moral behind slow and steady wins the race.

Jason don't try to cover for me you can't get your point across when arguing half the time so don't cover for me.

You talked about people being unable to read and understand something, oh god i lol'd.
He said "despite that goddamned story" as in, you know what'd happen, even tho the story said otherwise.
Just like a car will outspeed a bike

O.K. Yes Sword is right Kalo meant the moral of slow and steady wins the race yet thats not the true moral. The true moral is those who are cautious and pay attention are those who are usually the fastest. You sir enforced my point and thus proved me right. Thank you.

You can talk about how this isn't properly balanced, or how they will probably make some more changes to the skill values. Just accept those numbers and stop suggesting that "visual data" can somehow change anything. Nexon has implemented poorly balanced skills into official versions and left them there for years before. I don't see why one unbalanced test server value is causing so much doubt.

That was then and this is now. Nexon made many leaps and bounds since bb came around and they're not going to let skill balancing slip through their fingers again and then have to fix it all up later.It's best to fix it now and work on other content later.

That was then and this is now. Nexon made many leaps and bounds since bb came around and they're not going to let skill balancing slip through their fingers again and then have to fix it all up later.It's best to fix it now and work on other content later.

They changed some skills during Big Bang back and forth 4-5 times.

Your comparing apples and oranges again. Illusion DOES NOT work the same dam way that PI does. PI is single hit and Illusion is 4 hit. Your giving me a migraine so I'm ignoring you now.

Which makes it way weaker because the damage isreduced due to the monster def 4 times as compared to PI which only gets reduced once.