What 4th job is supposed to be.

The AM in that first video is a real inspiration (no matter what the INT and mattk she possesses). The way she handles herself and her moves are fun to watch.
The 2nd video is what MOST GMS AMs are doing at the present time. Pot burning furnace and nothing else. When it costs about 1-2 millz pot wise (no DK and/or no Priest in party) to train for an hour, you know those AMs have to get funding help somehow.

The 2nd video is what MOST GMS AMs are doing at the present time. Pot burning furnace and nothing else. When it costs about 1-2 millz pot wise (no DK and/or no Priest in party) to train for an hour, you know those AMs have to get funding help somehow.

its actually around 3mil and up depending on the level of the ultimate. but if you loot, you only lose like 100 or 200k. besides, many people buying leech is paying for the cost of the furnace.

While I'm just along with everyone in saying that I wish training utilized the other ArchMage skills rather than ultimate spamming for gMS, I have to bring in reality to this picture for lots of people who still don't understand.

To train like the person in the 1st video, the max non-2x exp/hr rates you would be going would be in the 6-8m an hour area, at basically no pot cost. 6-8m exp/hr. In gMS, that's EXTREMELY slow for ANY 4th job Magician, considering we have the ability to spam ultimates with cheap and easy-to-come-by pots; on average I go at LEAST 2x faster than those above rates when training without 2x.

So let's be honest. Yea, the first movie shows how the classes can really be fun, and that training is possible with those skills. But the second video points out the grim reality that even though we have the slower option, no one will choose it because it's slower. To give an example, look at all the 80+ Hermits and Rangers/Snipers training at Newties on that 1 Newtie that never moves. That's probably even MORE boring than spamming field AoE spells, but people do it anyways because it's the FASTEST way to train at that level.

In the end, everyone can agree that training the way the girl does in the first video is the most fun way to train, but when presented with an option that's at LEAST 2x faster, no one will take it. So don't complain that gMS ArchMages are boring; we're doing what any normal person would do when presented with two options for training like this. Choosing the one that is the fastest in the end is only natural.

There will always be players who play with their own entertainment as a higher priority over their EXP bar. Albeit they are few, they do exist. The problem is, the majority of them tend to not be money-minded enough to be as crazily strong as this girl. We'll see someone like this hit 200 someday, but I don't think they'll be as strong as she'll be without graham pies, onyx apples, or ssiws cheeses involved.

Loved both her vids since the first time I saw them (139 and 143); she has excellent character control and good knowledge of her training maps. On that note, I also commend her for the time spent getting her MA that high. I would imagine the lightning rod would be helping her greatly due to its extreme MA and the elemental bonus, but it would still take significant effort to get her MA that high; especially since JMS does not have white scrolls.

its actually around 3mil and up depending on the level of the ultimate. but if you loot, you only lose like 100 or 200k. besides, many people buying leech is paying for the cost of the furnace.

Yeah, that is IF you have someone buying leech off you. Loot is not all that great either...newts don't drop all that often either.

Out of curiousity...

What would you do if you wanted to train there (assume for argument sake that you are soloing ~yes I know...hahahaha~) and got no one to buy leech off you?

What would you do if you wanted to train there (assume for argument sake that you are soloing ~yes I know...hahahaha~) and got no one to buy leech off you?

Leeching is pretty profitable, you can easily afford 2-3 hours of training for the money earned in an hour of leeching, more if your level of the skill is well suited to the map. If you never leech people, then you'll cast ultimates a little more sparingly (and not for 4hit KOs like in that video).

Loot is not all that great either...newts don't drop all that often either.

Out of curiousity...

What would you do if you wanted to train there (assume for argument sake that you are soloing ~yes I know...hahahaha~) and got no one to buy leech off you?

Who says you need a drop to loot. I time a loot-running path everytime booster runs out. Since drops have about 3 minutes before they disappear, my booster lasts 200 seconds (3 minutes 20 seconds). I pick up every meso stack, egg shell, and bush. I train there all the time.

And I turned down everyone who asks me for leech-for-pay. If they're too damn lazy to train their own character, they should just quit the game. The only people I let leech are friends; which is for free.

Ultimate may seem expensive, but it's really not thanks to NLC.

You have to look at a mage's skills.

CL vs Blizzard.
Pros : Blizzard hits 15 monsters and also hits most of the map. Also, you don't have to really pay attention.
Cons: At level 1 (with maxed amp), it costs 4.2k MP. Boring as hell.

Pros : Um.. it looks cool and with the possibility to hit 6 monsters, you could get some decent range.
Cons: CL hits 'x' damage and lowers everytime it 'chains.' Compared to any other class that isn't a mage, it's weak as hell. What are the chances that 6 monsters are clustered together enough for you to kill them?

On my mage, level 1 Blizzard does 15-20k damage. With level 20 CL, it does about 6-10k damage. Blizzard training would get me around 16%/hr soloing. Training with my other skills would probably get me around 8%. I don't think anyone could get that close to that girl's damage (in the first video) with gMS' current weapon sets making training at places like Cornians harder.

Leeching is pretty profitable, you can easily afford 2-3 hours of training for the money earned in an hour of leeching, more if your level of the skill is well suited to the map. If you never leech people, then you'll cast ultimates a little more sparingly (and not for 4hit KOs like in that video).

Yes, thanks for the tip. I should start thinking of a good price to charge at hafs.

Who says you need a drop to loot. I time a loot-running path everytime booster runs out. Since drops have about 3 minutes before they disappear, my booster lasts 200 seconds (3 minutes 20 seconds). I pick up every meso stack, egg shell, and bush. I train there all the time.

And I turned down everyone who asks me for leech-for-pay. If they're too damn lazy to train their own character, they should just quit the game. The only people I let leech are friends; which is for free.

Ultimate may seem expensive, but it's really not thanks to NLC.

Got to take off some inventory slots but good suggestion. Kudos for the leech for pay but my AM is in a bit of a financial struggle right now. I might have to resort to that avenue later on.

Money is barely an issue anymore in this super-inflated server. I've never looted at newties 120-147 except for drops nor have a leeched other people for money; it's very easy to make a lot of money merchanting nowadays.

You have to look at a mage's skills.

CL vs Blizzard.
Pros : Blizzard hits 15 monsters and also hits most of the map. Also, you don't have to really pay attention.
Cons: At level 1 (with maxed amp), it costs 4.2k MP. Boring as hell.

Pros : Um.. it looks cool and with the possibility to hit 6 monsters, you could get some decent range.
Cons: CL hits 'x' damage and lowers everytime it 'chains.' Compared to any other class that isn't a mage, it's weak as hell. What are the chances that 6 monsters are clustered together enough for you to kill them?

On my mage, level 1 Blizzard does 15-20k damage. With level 20 CL, it does about 6-10k damage. Blizzard training would get me around 16%/hr soloing. Training with my other skills would probably get me around 8%. I don't think anyone could get that close to that girl's damage (in the first video) with gMS' current weapon sets making training at places like Cornians harder.

Also, on a side note, chain lightning's damage isn't too spectacular when it reaches the 4+th monster and barely adds on anything. It really shines when hitting 2-3 though. Another thing is that ice demon does more damage than chain lightning in mobs of 4 or more.

Yes, thanks for the tip. I should start thinking of a good price to charge at hafs.




Got to take off some inventory slots but good suggestion. Kudos for the leech for pay but my AM is in a bit of a financial struggle right now. I might have to resort to that avenue later on.

something i forgot to mention was pets. looting is only advisable if you have a pet to loot for you. otherwise, standing in one place and taking hits while looting takes too long and slows you down.

usage of pet looting at newties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIUZcQWhW9Y

I picked Bishop because I loved the party skills and being useful in parties. I can't say I am complaining about my Ultimate.

Even with classes that rely less on pressing one button than using a bunch of skills in combination, (Shadower, for example,) Maple still comes down to doing a set of repetitive tasks for roughly one to two years. People say ultimate spamming is bad for some reason, but I've done other things and Maple is still Maple. My Ranger dodges and runs more than my Bishop does, but I can't truthfully say that playing one feels like a different videogame than playing the other.

i remember when i ran the 4th job video thread back at sw before 4th job was out. i came across that video and like everyone, was amazed at how well she handled her character and how fast she was killing.

however, i did found out some things about her. she's holding an elemental weapon. not only that, she's incredibly strong. at level 120, she had 1000 magic (or something near that). even lukless in gms these days dont have 1000 until 14x; she doesnt even have maple warrior yet.

also, notice her chain lightning. its hitting 20k's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtm6Hl5Bu84
this guy is 18x and he's barely hitting 20k. you have to realize how strong that girl is in order to train like that. because in gms, archmages cannot kill 1v1 targets that fast.

I could hit 21k with an ice wand at 138 with CL on neutral.

That way of training is so fun! I'm going to master ice demon and ifrit nao, haha. W/e screw my dreams of 1hko skele (I 2hko, that's good enough)

The second video is purely inspirational! Wow I believe by 157 I can master ID and ifrit. Do you guys think its a good idea to master ID? I know ifrit is important, maybe 10-20 ID is good. Opinions please.

So, what about Bishops?
We get to sit around and heal that person in video #1 and buff them.
D:
We don't have anything like CL/ID...
Just Bahamut and AR ><;...

I could hit 21k with an ice wand at 138 with CL on neutral.

okay. who else can? how many archmages are there in maple global, and how many of them can compare to her damage at her level?