Let me explain to you kiddies why the "assholes" always get the hot chicks.

Note: This only matters to you high school lovesick puppies. I know that most women aged 18+ aren't this stupid.

How many of you get "friend zoned" by the hot chicks or even moderately hot chicks, and you can't understand why? You are perfect for them. You treat them well, you would pay for their every meal, you would walk them home, shower them with compliments, LOVE THEM until they couldn't be LOVED ANYMORE. It makes sense that they should have feelings for you, too, right? But instead, they're rolling along with that pimento who doesn't care about them, hardly ever pays for anything, spends most of his time making fun of her, and is overall a plantain to both her AND you. Why is this?

Humans are mammals. Mammals are evolutionary (or created for, whoever you believe in) hardwired to be attracted to certain things. How much someone is worth mating with is called their S&R value, or Survival and Replication value. In pack animals, the ALPHA MALE always mates with all of the females. Sometimes a few of the other stronger males who are tight with the alpha get to mate, but it pretty much goes that the higher the status, the more the females want to mate with the males.

Humans really aren't any different. Guys think that girls are looking for the same thing as them - looks. S&R value for guys is strongly based only on the R value and not the S. Females care much more about the S. Women are biologically inclined to be attracted to the ALPHA MALE, or a HIGH STATUS MALE. By buying them flowers and constantly showering them with compliments, you are portraying LOW STATUS, because a high status male isn't used to "chasing" girls.

It sucks that it can't be the way it is in the movies, and we can't buy some flowers and do something thoughtful to woo our women. But the fact is, it's not that way, and trying to tell ourselves that we can get a girl that way only forces ourselves into the friend zone. It's not that women are bitches - they are evolutionarily hardwired into wanting a guy who is higher status than themselves. Even if they like you at first, they will friend zone you once you start portraying lower status. So just keep this in mind, gentlemen.

Short answer? Be an pimento, and good luck.

[COLOR="Navy"]Girls want the badboys because they are a challenge for the girl. You would think that a female would want something just like you said, the nice guy. I, myself have always gone for the assholes and it has gotten me no where. I want the nice guy. I want to be treated well and not like a piece of meat. People need to learn that things aren't always about looks and how bad ass someone is. It's about so much more. How you said most women 18+ aren't as stupid, wrong. I think they are just as stupid as the younger ones. They still don't know what they want so they go for the jerk.

Alot of the times the "badboys" will do all the things you mentioned about the good guys. Buy them flowers, love them more than they could imagine and do all these things for them just to get them to get interest in them. Then, once they have the girl hooked, they turn into the jerk and for some reason the girls just stay because its a challenge. And to be quite honest, I don't think alot of guys know how to treat a girl. They come from broken homes, abusive families and anything else that could hinder them. Sometimes they just weren't taught the right way to treat women. If a guy sees his dad being a jerk to the mother/girlfriend, then that's what they know. They see a pattern in the house and they follow it.

There needs to be more "nice guys" in this world. [/COLOR]

I can be a nice guy believe it or not. I'm just in short supply of it, so I save it all for my English Muffin. But back when I was in high school, I was the "nice guy" who was always shot down and could never figure out why. It's a harsh reality, but it's pretty much true down to the last fact.

I don't think witnessing domestic violence affects most guys though. I've seen my dad (who I've pretty much disowned by now) beat the hell out of my mother when I was little, but I would never mistreat a lady.

the assholes are the ones that are bold to go out and actually talk to the chick. the ones that sit back and wonder "why do hot chicks keep going for assholes" are wasting time wondering why someone else is "better" when really, they're just the one that havent actually gone out and tried to get a girl.

the end of this vid says a lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOyRWuklsiQ

That's not always true. I was bold enough to ask out quite a few women but only managed to actually date one of them.

I can't really watch videos on this computer, so can you tell me what happens?

its funnier if you watch it once you get home.

mainly because everything that happens in the video is building up to the climax which is related to this topic.

Many men are under the mistaken assumption that if they treat a woman nicely that they will get rewarded with sex or friends with benefits. Then the man gets angry when the woman doesn't read his mind and give him that. It has nothing to do with alpha males, whether the new guy she's dating is actually an pimento, or whatever. It has to do with how this poor sap treats the situation.

If the guy gets up and does something and doesn't always wait around for the woman to make the first step, then he'll probably be in a better situation. However, as long as he's jailed in the mistaken assumption that she must reciprocate his nice behavior with sex and dating, he'll be locked single forever.

Whoa there, Chinchilla Man. I know I said crap about animals mating, but that was just that. I had no intention of implying that men expect sex from treating a woman nicely for a week or so. I certainly don't. But that is mostly their mind set at that young age.

Whoa there, Chinchilla Man. I know I said crap about animals mating, but that was just that. I had no intention of implying that men expect sex from treating a woman nicely for a week or so. I certainly don't. But that is mostly their mind set at that young age.

I thought that was the crowd you were speaking to? Oh well. I guess I missed the mark.

Well, to be honest the "nice guys" just want the company of a woman for the most part. It's the assholes that are in it for the sex.

I think it really depends on the girl, there are some of us who actually want a nice guy, but it can take us a while to figure it out. I personally go for nice guys but during my later school years I did have a crush on someone who wasn't quite an "pimento", he was more of a joker but yeah, he still fell under that category. Now I realise it was silly since he was a prat.

Unfortunately I've seen my mom and one of my younger sisters make mistakes with men, they go for whoever gives them attention and don't realise that the men are just... bad. My sister is currently with someone who won't even come and say hi to the family, when he's staying with her for a week NEXT DOOR. My family is really big on meeting prospective and current partners since we're fairly large and close, so he's left a really bad impression on everyone. It took my mom a while to find a nice guy, but not everyone ends up with an pimento. Most people are capable of finding a nice guy to settle down with.

whole thread debunked by the gender personality stereotyping

i doubt EVERY single girl out there is only looking for assholes as you say, and if someone is they're definitely not worthwhile pursuing

likewise not all men pay attention specifically to looks either (though ashamedly I have to admit attractiveness matters somewhat)

and furthermore all "dating advice" is rarely helpful if ever anyway because not everyone is exactly the same as everyone else

whole thread debunked by the gender personality stereotyping

i doubt EVERY single girl out there is only looking for assholes as you say, and if someone is they're definitely not worthwhile pursuing

likewise not all men pay attention specifically to looks either (though ashamedly I have to admit attractiveness matters somewhat)

and furthermore all "dating advice" is rarely helpful if ever anyway because not everyone is exactly the same as everyone else

I'll let this slide because you're not a woman and can't possibly know how women think. No man does. Besides, this thread is based off experiences in high school and is highly factual.

I'm one of those "nice guys", but I wouldn't change who I am to get a girl. Or atleast, I haven't yet. I'm happily in a relationship, and some girls prefer the nicer men, or atleast WILL prefer them eventually.

Well I'm straight as a circle so this doesn't apply to me too much... but I go to a really nice, not very clique-y school... There's assholes yeah, but usually with the pimento of the other gender, honestly. (Or same gender)

If you're actually a nice guy, you're not looking for sex. Most of my friends are girls; I just enjoy their company. It can be confusing and awkward if you're trying to get a girl by being her friend. There was a time years ago when I liked the girl who is now my best friend, that was really frustrating.

I was a nerd in high school. As such, I had many nerdy friends. One of them was this really obnoxious, racist (well, not actually racist, but he made many racist jokes that were in poor taste,) hardcore conservative jewish boy. Many people in high school wanted to beat the pumpernickel out of him for being exactly what I said (conservative high school student in San Francisco? :f6: ) but he had none of it, stood up for what he believed in, and would happily debate anyone in politics for hours. He was not the best looking boy in school (far from it, actually ) and yet I found myself attracted to him. Why? Because he had some pineappleing cajones to say the things he said, and wasn't some pansy little pushover like many of the other boys in our little nerdy circle of friends. (I mean for Christ's sake, we called ourselves the SUPERFRIENDS, how pineappleing nerdy is that?)

Honestly, I do see girls (including myself) going after the "alpha males." In my case, there was another guy who was interested in going out with me, but he did everything wrong: he was really nice to me, gave me random gifts for no reason, wrote me sappy letters, and went out of his way to ride the bus with me, even though taking a different route would have been faster. The only thing he really accomplished by doing all this was: a) I knew that he liked me, and b) he made himself look really desperate and needy. Girls don't want that! Of course I turned him down.

Wrap your head around that: I would have rather gone out with a racist conservative than a nice guy.

Nice guys normally aren't funny. That's another reason. Most girls don't want to be showered with compliments, gifts, and total niceness all day long--they want a bit of variation: being teased, flirting (insulting, laughing, mocking, etc. in a playful manner), and of course the random acts of kindness help also. This way they aren't in the mood of simply saying "Awww!~ omg so qtttt" all day and more of a "-laugh-, smile, embarrassed-ness, aww i love him, i hate him, just kidding i love you, smile, anger, etc".

Half the population of those badass assholes are Bro's. For those who don't know who Bro's are. Couple hints - SRH, SoCal, Metal Mulisha anyone?

That's at least what half my population at my school is. Infested with these guys that can date all these little blonde girls who walk around with there tote bags and talk on their cellphones for 8 hours. I don't go after any girls at my school cause to be absolutely honest 97% of them are those girls.

I found my girl and have known her for quite some time and I feel this should last awhile. As long as they stay away from me and her, then I don't have a problem with them.

I'll let this slide because you're not a woman and can't possibly know how women think. No man does. Besides, this thread is based off experiences in high school and is highly factual.

To call experiences experienced by only one or a few groups is definitely not what I would call "highly factual", unless you specifically state it as "fact in only your case". It's incredibly ridiculous to call it such when it's only taken from a sample of only ONE school.

And in a sense, yes, I can't know what they think, but once again you shouldn't lump them into one entire group either because I doubt all women think the same way as one another, like how I know that I don't think the same way as other men. However, to say it's impossible that one particular male can think a SIMILAR way as one particular female is also ignorant, otherwise I doubt any romantic and long-lasting high school (and perhaps beyond) relationships could exist, which of course they have.

Finally, basing the concept of love on scientific examination of other species is not entirely helpful, because as human beings we are gifted with the traits of intelligence and individuality. We could derive a few things from it, sure, but we can never use them to say "OKAY SO IN THESE PARTICULAR SPECIES WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO ALPHAMALES THUS ALL OF OUR WOMEN ARE TOO". You can say "some", even "most", but never "all". We still have differences, and as you can see EVEN IN THIS THREAD, not all women are looking for assholes as a partner; not all women are looking for nice people as partners either; some women don't like people who have to work a majority of the day; some women like their personal space. It's completely variable, even in a high school setting (though admittedly yes the amount of ignorance in such a place is clearly higher), and you just have to meet the person you can sense a true connection with. Like how I did.

That is all.