We Don't Need No Theme Mafia - Game over, RED wins

But you pointing out all the flaws in our speculation without giving us something to believe you and not vote is stupid. If you are going to criticize, I want to see your own theory.

It's Day 1. There's barely anything to go on. Lynching based on people's interpretations to clues isn't going to do us much. Maybe, oh, I don't know, we could lynch based upon someone's reactions? Condescending tones do nothing as well.

Oh, and by the way, Silencer is usually Scum. Just putting that out there.

You guys are all looking at this clue from one angle with barely any attempts to see it from a different perspective.

...There are about ~10 people who haven't voted so far. Why BTA?
My Hair is a Bird. Your Logic is Invalid.

He might know something we don't and not want to tell why. People don't just randomly vote out of the blue.

Anyway, sticking to vote for time being.

You guys are all looking at this clue from one angle with barely any attempts to see it from a different perspective.

You would have a much stronger argument if you actually provided an alternative angle. Have you talked with your mason group? Do you have any suspicions you'd like to voice?

He might know something we don't and not want to tell why. People don't just randomly vote out of the blue.

Anyway, sticking to vote for time being.

He claimed it because he wasn't voting. That's hardly a role-related reason for voting.

Let me ask you this, then, Kurtle;
The clue refers to 14 "or higher." CoB was a Townie, yet he's referred to in the clue? Therefore, by your logic, he's scum, right?
Also, there are 2 different interpretations of "critical" at this point. I'll leave you to figuring out what they are.

Hmm, on reexamination, Synthesist's awfully silent. He hasn't posted in this thread all game... and he didn't post in Pokemafia either.

Rescinding vote.

He claimed it because he wasn't voting. That's hardly a role-related reason for voting.

Let me ask you this, then, Kurtle;
The clue refers to 14 "or higher." CoB was a Townie, yet he's referred to in the clue? Therefore, by your logic, he's scum, right?
Also, there are 2 different interpretations of "critical" at this point. I'll leave you to figuring out what they are.

What is scum? Is that a new derogatory term? If you don't make a compelling argument soon, my vote may change to you because you are being too skeptic without any explanation

Oh, and by the way, Silencer is usually Scum. Just putting that out there.

[COLOR="green"]Yeah, it's usually a mafia power, but this game has two mafias. Last game ElectricSix was the part of the mafia and the other side kidnapped him, so practically nobody suspected him.

Not to mention that your number is above 14 as well. If the killer is someone 14 and above, that means it could be you too.[/COLOR]

What is scum? Is that a new derogatory term? If you don't make a compelling argument soon, my vote may change to you because you are being too skeptic without any explanation

Scum is a general term for all Mafia/Serial Killer/Werewolf/Cultist factions. If you've ever played more than a crumb of Mafia, you would know that there's more than just Mafia.
Oh, no wait, it's obviously just a derogatory term that I'm using to make myself look like scum by calling people names.

...I'm scum because I'm too skeptic without explanations? Don't you think if I was scum I'd be all jolly-go-lucky hop on the Synthesist bandwagon for this?

Dual:
I wasn't saying that because I was silenced I'm not scum. I'm simply saying if we ever discover who the silencer is, they're most likely scum.

It's Day 1. There's barely anything to go on. Lynching based on people's interpretations to clues isn't going to do us much. Maybe, oh, I don't know, we could lynch based upon someone's reactions? Condescending tones do nothing as well.

Oh, and by the way, Silencer is usually Scum. Just putting that out there.

You guys are all looking at this clue from one angle with barely any attempts to see it from a different perspective.

I noted that what I had was a theory. And not a fully filled out one for that matter. I'm willing and open to hear other intepretations to the clue. I read all of TobiasBlack's response, and formulated my own reply to his. I know that it's quite possible my interpretation is wrong, as I have stated that several times, but there is a clear lack of other logical intepretations. You have to ask yourself with every clue, what is the other person thinking, and go from there. I proposed a few possible, and logical, ways to reach a conclusion based upon the clue. As the main point of the clue is to point out who killed CoB, that is the angle you have to look at it from. It's directing our focus to one individual, a mafia member. Yes, it may be an obscure or far out there stretch to name that person, but there is some reasoning behind it. At the moment, all the logical reason to me point to the people above CoB. I consider you the only one among them who is around 90% not the killer. The main reason being the silencing, which if anything like the last game, prevents you from doing a night action in addition to not being able to speak during the day. Now that is an implied assumption, so it could be wrong, but I think it's fairly safe to conclude you're not the killer because of it. That doesn't necessarily mean you're not mafia, but it does certainly mean that there are only two remaining people who could be the killer. Given the clues, either one has enough of a connection to be a suspect, but for the moment it appears to more heavily favor Synthesist based upon the theory I mentioned earlier. While there is a certain element of risk to all this deduction, it's a far better reasoning method than finding a name within a name. So again, not saying I have to be right, but I'm doing my best to apply logic to the clue and while I'm willing to look at other theories, I'd prefer them to be something a little more substantial than naming ones.

...I'm scum because I'm too skeptic without explanations? Don't you think if I was scum I'd be all jolly-go-lucky hop on the Synthesist bandwagon for this?

[COLOR="green"]Isn't this exactly what Daku said just a couple posts ago? It's still not really a valid reason, simply because if something is that obvious for the mafia to do, why would they just do it?

Also, somebody should ask Ray for the definition of being silenced in this current game. Cause for all we know it could just mean you can't talk about the game, like it did last round. The power you're thinking of E6 was the kidnapping that somebody hit you with.[/COLOR]

Isn't this exactly what Daku said just a couple posts ago? It's still not really a valid reason, simply because if something is that obvious for the mafia to do, why would they just do it?

It's not a valid reason but you have to admit that mafia has more of an incentive to jump on the bandwagon, unless they're being suspected in the first place, which Yoshi wasn't. So I would say he's likely innocent.

Isn't this exactly what Daku said just a couple posts ago? It's still not really a valid reason, simply because if something is that obvious for the mafia to do, why would they just do it?

Also, somebody should ask Ray for the definition of being silenced in this current game. Cause for all we know it could just mean you can't talk about the game, like it did last round. The power you're thinking of E6 was the kidnapping that somebody hit you with.

If someone's not being suspected of, and they jump on the bandwagon, what reason will they have to be noticed? They'll just be weeded in with the rest of the people on the bandwagon, blending in as a normal Townie. It's nothing that unusual.

This news is breaking apart.
It's called BREAKING NEWS for a reason. That could just be flavor text. Or it could be leading to something we don't know later on.

1 side on the cube of safety:
A cube has 6 sides. 5 of those are unsafe. 1 is safe. In something with 6 things, 1 is free from harm.

Already expressed what I thought about the criticals and 14+ and the Wisdom Crystal.

Hmm, on reexamination, Synthesist's awfully silent. He hasn't posted in this thread all game... and he didn't post in Pokemafia either.

Rescinding vote.

I'd just like to mention that not posting much is not a good reason to suspect or disprove mafia. Chompy didn't post, and he was mafia with me last game, and there were a few townies that hardly ever posted. Now if they hadn't logged in at all on their account during that time frame, that's another story, but I'm relatively sure Ray would get a replacement if their inactivity was negatively affecting the game.

If someone's not being suspected of, and they jump on the bandwagon, what reason will they have to be noticed? They'll just be weeded in with the rest of the people on the bandwagon, blending in as a normal Townie. It's nothing that unusual.

This news is breaking apart.
It's called BREAKING NEWS for a reason. That could just be flavor text. Or it could be leading to something we don't know later on.

1 side on the cube of safety:
A cube has 6 sides. 5 of those are unsafe. 1 is safe. In something with 6 things, 1 is free from harm.

Already expressed what I thought about the criticals and 14+ and the Wisdom Crystal.

But you still aren't proving anything. You just restated the clue...

Who should we lynch?

[COLOR="green"]Isn't this exactly what Daku said just a couple posts ago? It's still not really a valid reason, simply because if something is that obvious for the mafia to do, why would they just do it?

Also, somebody should ask Ray for the definition of being silenced in this current game. Cause for all we know it could just mean you can't talk about the game, like it did last round. The power you're thinking of E6 was the kidnapping that somebody hit you with.[/COLOR]

Ahh, that is true, so that is my mistake. If my assumption are wrong, which would put yoshi back as a possible killer. There are some other assumptions I made to reach the particular conclusion that y0shi was unlikely to be the killer, but they suffer from some similar problems as they're using last game as a basis, which as you pointed out, could be a rather large error. However, I'm not quite convinced that those alone are enough to put y0shi as the killer given the clue. As I mentioned before, there are several intepretations possible, so while it is possible, I still find it to be the least likely answer.

I'd just like to mention that not posting much is not a good reason to suspect or disprove mafia. Chompy didn't post, and he was mafia with me last game, and there were a few townies that hardly ever posted. Now if they hadn't logged in at all on their account during that time frame, that's another story, but I'm relatively sure Ray would get a replacement if their inactivity was negatively affecting the game.

Last game Chompy was silencer, and unless I'm missing something, I don't see anyone got silenced last game. Mephisto banished people but Chompy didn't silence anyone.

Plus:

Also, I need a person to sub in. PM me if interested.

On the other hand, the main point of suspicion about Synthesist is that the clue seems to point to him, yet that would imply that he's the killer. Killer and silencer are not the same.



Also, since BTA is lurking, I'm curious what he has to say about Daku's vote.

Edit-Misread Russt's post, too late for this

Last game Chompy was silencer, and unless I'm missing something, I don't see anyone got silenced last game. Mephisto banished people but Chompy didn't silence anyone.

Ray didn't announce being silenced last game. I believe it was either Mira or Infy who got silenced, cause I was in the group with Pie and the Ragtags since he needed a sub in case he had to go on vacation before the game ended. He might have decided to start announcing it this game because of the fact that there doesn't seem to be a kidnapper.

How so? I was one of the killers last game and only posted when necessary. He may not feel the need to post unless necessary

I would venture to say that having 4 votes on your head qualifies as "necessary".

I just don't want to be stuck voting for someone who hasn't showed up yet.

Yes, but you have to give people some leeway. He may log on tomorrow morning or afternoon, see it and post. As for people who don't post, I mentioned my suspicions that SteelSeraph could be mafia as well, and have yet to hear a peep from him either so there's no set way to know what will make someone post or not post, or even log in to post. XP I do happen to agree that Synthesist is more likely based upon the clue info, but as I said, there's a certain amount of info within the clue that doesn't negate the possibility of two mafia members, and in a few ways, seems to support those theories.

Ray didn't announce being silenced last game. I believe it was either Mira or Infy who got silenced, cause I was in the group with Pie and the Ragtags since he needed a sub in case he had to go on vacation before the game ended. He might have decided to start announcing it this game because of the fact that there doesn't seem to be a kidnapper.

Yes, it was Mira. There was no message last time.

Also, I'm just going to say, there's a high chance we're all interpreting the clue wrong.