MoN vs Chaos HT Pendant?

Logically, it would make sense for MoNs not to be potential-ed because there are no slots. It is my understanding that enhancement scrolls only work when slots = 0, which is not the same as having no slots (right? The variable should be missing completely, but maybe someone can confirm/deny that for us).

In the [illogical] case you can potential MoNs, expect those 2/2 rings (the dex/str and luk/int ones) to shoot through the roof since those would also be potential-ed. So could possibly medals. Although I didn't see in the potential threads mentioning anything about medals which leads me to believe you cannot enhancement scroll no slots items, but we'll see.

Potential doesn't have a slot requirement, you can do it any time you want to.

I thought medals and pendants could not be potential'd.

Medals can't, pendants can.

What....

CHTP can only be scrolled once with an egg. I'm not sure if you can use Hammers on CHTPs because they are not allowed on HTPs either (are they that thorough?). But at any rate, even if you could, an egg can only be used if the number of slots on the pendant is 3. So you still get 1 egg/pendant. Chaos Scroll the rest of the slots, and do let us know if chaos scrolls affect +HP% and +MP% while you're at it.

The way Hammer works, if it's allowed to work at all on Chaos HTP, is that it raises the count for both "Number of Upgrades left" and "Number of times Vicious Hammer was used" and I don't know the variable for the later so meh. The fix they put on HTP was to restrict it from being Hammered at all, thus making it impossible to have RUC = 3 after the first Egg has been used. If Hammer somehow slips through, we can expect to see the glitch all over again.

The way Hammer works, if it's allowed to work at all on Chaos HTP, is that it raises the count for both "Number of Upgrades left" and "Number of times Vicious Hammer was used" and I don't know the variable for the later so meh. The fix they put on HTP was to restrict it from being Hammered at all, thus making it impossible to have RUC = 3 after the first Egg has been used. If Hammer somehow slips through, we can expect to see the glitch all over again.

This is basing off the fact that Chaos HT will be defeated as a quotidian boss. Which I doubt will happen, so not many will even get to abuse the glitch in the first place, if it occurs.

This is basing off the fact that Chaos HT will be defeated as a quotidian boss. Which I doubt will happen, so not many will even get to abuse the glitch in the first place, if it occurs.

My thoughts exactly. What does it matter? GMS is incapable of defeating Pink Bean at the moment, which from what I can see is easier than CHT. Even with the potential system, maybe PB becomes possible, but I still don't think we're capable of downing CHT.

That being the case, MoN ultimately wins, due to lack of choice.

Potential doesn't have a slot requirement, you can do it any time you want to.

Enhancement scrolls require there to be no slots left on the item, which is obviously what the question at hand is about (so you cannot use it at anytime).

Enhancement scrolls require there to be no slots left on the item, which is obviously what the question at hand is about (so you cannot use it at anytime).

Enhancement scrolls aint what you use for potential upgrades though, those are 2 different systems.

My thoughts exactly. What does it matter? GMS is incapable of defeating Pink Bean at the moment, which from what I can see is easier than CHT. Even with the potential system, maybe PB becomes possible, but I still don't think we're capable of downing CHT.

That being the case, MoN ultimately wins, due to lack of choice.

I think chaos horntail is a bit easier than pink bean actually, and although both are hard, they're not ridiculously so anymore with the potential system. I'm pretty sure both will be killed within the next few months.

Does reqRUC mean >= 3 or =3 ... ?

anyone know of someone hammering their HTP first and scroll later when the hammers were first released?

Pretty sure it's =3, When harrizonized chaosed his HTP first then attempted to egg it, it did not work.

Pretty sure it's =3, When harrizonized chaosed his HTP first then attempted to egg it, it did not work.

That was because it was left with 2 slots actually.

And I think the rarity only makes it easier to abuse this glitch, without it being patched, that is.

the bummer is you will have to use your egg on the pendant before you chaos scroll it (to improved wep atk). otherwise you end up like harrisonized

Enhancement scrolls aint what you use for potential upgrades though, those are 2 different systems.

Enhancement scrolls can add % stats (I am unsure as to what you are referring to with the wording "potential upgrades"). Because you can get up to 8 of these to pass (Not 100% sure on that number), they can ultimately add more stats to the item than simply a potential and a magnification.

Enhancement scrolls can add % stats (I am unsure as to what you are referring to with the wording "potential upgrades"). Because you can get up to 8 of these to pass (Not 100% sure on that number), they can ultimately add more stats to the item than simply a potential and a magnification.

Enhancement scrolls cannot add % stats. Potential scrolls allow you to use Magnifying glasses to reveal stats on equips which may include % stats, + stats, skills, etc. Nothing we know so far can manipulate these stats. Enhancement scrolls are more like Chaos, without the negative stats. What you get with enhancement is random, but the more you use, the better the bonuses. You can get more than 8 to pass, but it's pretty improbable. The rate of success stops decreasing at 10%.

Enhancement scrolls cannot add % stats. Potential scrolls allow you to use Magnifying glasses to reveal stats on equips which may include % stats, + stats, skills, etc. Nothing we know so far can manipulate these stats. Enhancement scrolls are more like Chaos, without the negative stats. What you get with enhancement is random, but the more you use, the better the bonuses. You can get more than 8 to pass, but it's pretty improbable. The rate of success stops decreasing at 10%.

So enhancement scrolls cannot (even though they work like chaos, which I am fully aware of) change +% stats? That is what my whole argument was based on, but if that is the case then I apologize and admit my mistake. I suppose I should follow these changes in more detail...

So some of my buddies said that MoNs don't work with the potential system.

I was wondering, would this make a regular HT Pendant better than a MoN? I'm asking since I could take advantage of the free AP resets to lower my secondary stat, if HT Pendant is the better option.

So some of my buddies said that MoNs don't work with the potential system.

I was wondering, would this make a regular HT Pendant better than a MoN? I'm asking since I could take advantage of the free AP resets to lower my secondary stat, if HT Pendant is the better option.

No, because the stat difference is even more. MoN gives a better boost with a weapon that give + % Weapon ATT, as there is ~10 extra ATT from the MoN alone.

+% weapon attack is an outside multiplier, it doesn't care what's in front of it. If an HTP potentialed would give you better damage than a MoN it will keep doing so after a %watt bonus from a weapon.

I think with a well potentialed REGULAR HT pendant, you still outdamage mark of naricain now