[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build?

It upsets me that I can't max all my skills. :[

do my skill build, the true bandit build: just put zero points in PP/ME. no shad trains with them in 4th job. i have zero points in PP/ME, and i have all my 2nd job skills maxed, max: chakra, shield mastery, nimble body, assaulter, BoT, MG.

i want to post my revamp build but i'll hold my tongue until after everything is official. i will keep PP/ME at 0 though, and you can bet steal, shield mastery, shadow resistance, shadow partner, and the dark mirror skill will be maxed. i don't have much use for flash jump, but i'll probably get it since don't need pp/me.

also everyone needs to write nexon and remind them to release the reverse shields, please. i really wanted my REVERSE List to be the first reverse equip i would forge, but they aren't even in GMS. none of the reverse shields are.

i dunno abt u guys, but the current charka is rather actively used by me.
no doubt the danger involved but it does help on pot cost.

but i cant say so for the new charka since the mp cost increased alot.

It saves about 1500 mesos in exchange for possible death and a decrease in leveling speed. I'll take my lumps without Chakra.

@ shagreen : Chakra and Shield Mastery aren't really that awesome.

It saves about 1500 mesos in exchange for possible death and a decrease in leveling speed. I'll take my lumps without Chakra.

@ shagreen : Chakra and Shield Mastery aren't really that awesome.

Chakra is really good for the dojo, but that's it. shield mastery is lame.

i'd like to kindly disagree, rayquauza.

first let's talk about chakra. chakra in 3rd job, no, only useful really in the dojo. it's actually extremely useful in the dojo, i should say. but anyway, once you get shifter, then you will realize how important and amazing have max chakra really is. just think about it. if it doesn't click or make sense to you, i'm sorry for your loss.

shield mastery. the only problem with shield mastery is that nexon keeps forgettin to release the reverse shields. we have the TIMELESS ones, but no reverse. it's pretty fkking pointless, but anyway. as things stand in GMS, you can get 168 clean w.defense from just your reverse list. you may think this is pointless because of our avoid, but it's not something you can always count on. our avoid, and shifter, and the invincible frames are awesome, but with equips like the zhelm, htp, and a mastered reverse list, and all your other equips, you can take significantly less damage. combined with a blood build while you max MW, and you become a self-healing ghost tank.

now take into consideration that shield mastery becomes 200% in the kmst revamp, and that defense formulas are likely to change, shield mastery takes only 10 sp, it is not a skill you should ignore. meso explosion and PP really lose their effeciency in 4th job, straight up killing is so much faster, and you will understand this when you're a shad. anywa,y that's 258 w.def from a single, clean equip. scrolling for defense is not stupid, either. you have the extra luck/att and avoid from not being a str dit. i fail to understand why other CBs/shads refuse to acknowledge and consider the awesome tanking potential we have. avoid > MG > shifter > huge def > blood build > invincible frames. we are the most well rounded class in the game, with mid-range melee attacks (steal, bstep).

you call yourself a lolcb because it's cool to be self-depricating about your class, or to make fun of others, but we own, and always have. people just don't exploit the real potential we have.

EDIT: and i train with chakra as well. it's actually very easy to get used to, you simply have to know when exactly a monster will hit you with magic. there is a pretty significant damage decrease (on top of MG) when you're healing. the only time i died was when i had like less than 10 hp and i timed my chakra really late. it feels amazing though to take such few hits, and then use not even use potions when you do. there is something really empowering and satisfying about being (to me, and my build) so autonomous and survivalist with all your skills working together. chakra/SS is a million times better than PP/ME.

you call yourself a lolcb because it's cool to be self-depricating about your class.

I just do it because it shows i don't give a s'hit what others think of my class.

i'd like to kindly disagree, rayquauza.

first let's talk about chakra. chakra in 3rd job, no, only useful really in the dojo. it's actually extremely useful in the dojo, i should say. but anyway, once you get shifter, then you will realize how important and amazing have max chakra really is. just think about it. if it doesn't click or make sense to you, i'm sorry for your loss.

Did not know shifter activates when Chakra is being used.

shield mastery. the only problem with shield mastery is that nexon keeps forgettin to release the reverse shields. we have the TIMELESS ones, but no reverse. it's pretty fkking pointless, but anyway. as things stand in GMS, you can get 168 clean w.defense from just your reverse list. you may think this is pointless because of our avoid, but it's not something you can always count on. our avoid, and shifter, and the invincible frames are awesome, but with equips like the zhelm, htp, and a mastered reverse list, and all your other equips, you can take significantly less damage. combined with a blood build while you max MW, and you become a self-healing ghost tank.

now take into consideration that shield mastery becomes 200% in the kmst revamp, and that defense formulas are likely to change, shield mastery takes only 10 sp, it is not a skill you should ignore. meso explosion and PP really lose their effeciency in 4th job, straight up killing is so much faster, and you will understand this when you're a shad. anywa,y that's 258 w.def from a single, clean equip. scrolling for defense is not stupid, either. you have the extra luck/att and avoid from not being a str dit. i fail to understand why other CBs/shads refuse to acknowledge and consider the awesome tanking potential we have. avoid > MG > shifter > huge def > blood build > invincible frames. we are the most well rounded class in the game, with mid-range melee attacks (steal, bstep).

I was talking about shield mastery now, not what it could be in the future. PP will lose efficiency, yes. I can't say the same for ME. Not so much for training after 4th job, but for solo bossing? Pretty good skill.

you call yourself a lolcb because it's cool to be self-depricating about your class, or to make fun of others, but we own, and always have. people just don't exploit the real potential we have.

That was a jab at the way I play my chief bandit, not the class itself. There's about two people on this forum that know what I'm talking about.

EDIT: and i train with chakra as well. it's actually very easy to get used to, you simply have to know when exactly a monster will hit you with magic. there is a pretty significant damage decrease (on top of MG) when you're healing. the only time i died was when i had like less than 10 hp and i timed my chakra really late. it feels amazing though to take such few hits, and then use not even use potions when you do. there is something really empowering and satisfying about being (to me, and my build) so autonomous and survivalist with all your skills working together. chakra/SS is a million times better than PP/ME.

So instead of just killing the monster, you're going to wait for it to use a magic attack so you can heal? How does that not slow training down?

yah, shifter and regular avoid works during chakra. it's really great, i do recommend maxing chakra. at max level i can always heal 49-100% of my HP for a few MP.

i know, it's really hard to sell shield mastery to people, but the future does look very bright. the most important thing to consider is the holistic unison with all your skills in concert.

meso explosion is a good skill, my build just opts not to have it so i can put SP in everything else and keep all my skills tight and holistic. and blowing up money is just crazy talk if you're a true bandit.

we are already the 2nd fastest training class. i know people always want proof and numbers, but training with chakra seriously isn't slow and i really doubt you will notice it if you actually do. just take my word for it.

OT: i've changed my mind about FJ. last night me and a chief oblivion KO'd eachother and he dropped a piece of time (Dx), i raced my heart out to get back in time to loot it, but it had vanished... traveling through the ToT in DS with FJ would be awesome. i'm pretty certain the reason it's called the temple of time is because it consumes so much trying to travel around it.

i see SP being great for shads who get taunt and venom early, such as myself, for PoT hunting . seeing your damage on max taunted chiefs, or max taunted skeles wiht a defense boost will hurt your soul. the DPS output will be great.
i think that the shadow mirror skill willl be better for bossing than training considering how much we move around maps and even more so with FJ.

[COLOR="orange"]Admittedly, there's no need for the ME/PP combo in current 4th job, but it's definitely not something to be ignored after these updates.
ME will be doing 150% damage per coin, regardless of meso amount, to up to 10 mobs within the explosion range. That's 3000% with 20 coins to a single monster, and that is definitely not a miniscule amount.
KMST Boomerang Step + Shadow Partner is only 1410% to a single mob. Pickpocket has a 80% chance to drop mesos after maxing out Greed, and with a 12 hit Savage Blow, 12 hit Band of Thieves, 6 hit Assaulter, and 16 hit Boomerang Step, it's really not going to be hard to accumulate 20 coins within probably 5 seconds.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="orange"]Admittedly, there's no need for the ME/PP combo in current 4th job, but it's definitely not something to be ignored after these updates.
ME will be doing 150% damage per coin, regardless of meso amount, to up to 10 mobs within the explosion range. That's 3000% with 20 coins to a single monster, and that is definitely not a miniscule amount.
KMST Boomerang Step + Shadow Partner is only 1410% to a single mob. Pickpocket has a 80% chance to drop mesos after maxing out Greed, and with a 12 hit Savage Blow, 12 hit Band of Thieves, 6 hit Assaulter, and 16 hit Boomerang Step, it's really not going to be hard to accumulate 20 coins within probably 5 seconds.[/COLOR]

So Meso Explosion is still undisputedly the strongest non-ultimate skill ever?

Oh wait. Genesis is now 1700% to 15 enemies, right? Assuming no critical hits (for simplicity), that would be 25500% damage in total...versus Meso Explosion's 30000%. o.O Plus ME's so much cheaper.

Oh God. Prepare for massive Shad bandwagoning.

So Meso Explosion is still undisputedly the strongest non-ultimate skill ever?

Oh wait. Genesis is now 1700% to 15 enemies, right? Assuming no critical hits (for simplicity), that would be 25500% damage in total...versus Meso Explosion's 30000%. o.O Plus ME's so much cheaper.

Oh God. Prepare for massive Shad bandwagoning.

You just realized there would be a bandwagon?

Are you factoring in the boost Greed gives to ME?

You just realized there would be a bandwagon?

Are you factoring in the boost Greed gives to ME?

I didn't factor it in. But are we REALLY sure that ME's damage is based on the damage range and COMPLETELY independent of the amount of mesos?

If I remember correctly... been a long time since I was a wee Bandit.

First job:
- Max Double Stab
- Max Nimble Body
- 3 Disorder
- 18 Dark Sight

Second job:
- 1 Savage Blow
- 15 Mastery
- 5/6 Booster
- 5 Haste
- Max Steal
- Max Mastery
- Max Savage Blow
- Max Haste
- whatever

Third job:
- 1 Assaulter
- Max Band of Thieves
- Max Shadow Partner

Fourth job:
- Stuff

So Meso Explosion is still undisputedly the strongest non-ultimate skill ever?

Oh wait. Genesis is now 1700% to 15 enemies, right? Assuming no critical hits (for simplicity), that would be 25500% damage in total...versus Meso Explosion's 30000%. o.O Plus ME's so much cheaper.

Oh God. Prepare for massive Shad bandwagoning.

Keep in mind Meso Explosion has a MUCH smaller range than any of the ultimate skills.

You just realized there would be a bandwagon?

Are you factoring in the boost Greed gives to ME?

With Greed it's 3800% to a single monster and 38000% to a mob of 10. If you can get 10 in the ME range of course.

If Nexon Korea keeps the part where the SP reset scroll allows you to use your 1st job SP on skills of higher jobs not a lot of CBs are going to max Double Stab anymore, just those 13 points for max Dark Sight.

What I would/will do myself:

1st job:
20 Double Stab
10 Dark Sight
10 Disorder (it decreases either att or def by % now, so I'm ok with it)
Dump rest into Nimble Body OR use them at higher job skills.

2nd Job:
20 Mastery
30 Savage Blow
20 Steal
20 Shadow Resistance
20 Haste
11 Booster (20 with 1st job points?)

3rd job:
20 Band of Thieves
20 Assaulter
20 Flash Jump
20 Shadow Partner
10 Meso Guard
10 Chakra
20 Meso Explosion
10 Pickpocket
20 Shadow Mirror
1 Shield Mastery (1st job points?)

4th job:
Whatever is needed and available. Probably max Boomerang Step and Shadow Shifter first, then Greed(maybe Greed before SS because it's only 10 points) then Venom, Assassinate and Taunt, then what's left.

I don't really care about the order for 1st and 2nd job since I already did those (just get Steal first for mobbing). 3rd job will probably have early BoT, Assaulter and FJ, with SP and Shadow Mirror after that, then maxing the rest. The boost of Nimble Body is really small so you can just leave that out and max something else instead (again, if they'll still allow us to use SP from earlier jobs once this hits GMS). We have so many skills now...

Chakra sucks. You already have the highest avoid in the game, invulnerability frames, and pots are cheap. You don't need to save pots. Chakra wastes about 2 seconds per cast doing nothing you couldn't accomplish by hitting the pot button.

But I like my Chakra. It helps me save money on potions, which I enjoy very much.

By the way, I don't think you can dump 1st job points into higher job skills. Also, we need to check out what that SP Reset thing is, that mentions something about giving one point to all base skills or something like that. It was mentioned in the latest skill updates.

Chakra sucks. You already have the highest avoid in the game, invulnerability frames, and pots are cheap. You don't need to save pots. Chakra wastes about 2 seconds per cast doing nothing you couldn't accomplish by hitting the pot button.

It reduces damage taken from 50% to 35%, or rather from 40% to 24%. Chakra is also better than Pickpocket and most definitely better than Shield Mastery unless defense suddenly makes a huge difference in damage taken (doubt it).

As for my build I'd just max everything but shield mastery.

It reduces damage taken from 50% to 35%, or rather from 40% to 24%. Chakra is also better than Pickpocket and most definitely better than Shield Mastery unless defense suddenly makes a huge difference in damage taken (doubt it).

As for my build I'd just max everything but shield mastery.

I'm not saying don't put points into Chakra. It's definitely better than Pickpocket and Shield Mastery. I'm just saying I don't use it. Training my CB is already much cheaper than training my other classes, and standing still for seconds just to heal a little HP isn't worth it.

Nevermind.