[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben

Pre-patch useless Shadower skills:

1. Ninja Ambush
2. Steal*
3. Taunt
4. Pickpocket**
5. Shield Mastery
6. Lucky Seven
7. Endure
8. Chakra ("to each is own, i rather just pot and maximize my damage.. pots are cheap enough for us as it is thanks to avoid/shifter")
9. Disorder

* Skills that have been made better.
** Skills that have been made better if Meso Explosion works better.

There's a little thing, though. Taunt connects with your other hits at the moment. We just stop on our tracks, and can't really attack immediately. And if we do, we are so close we are gonna get to punch the monster in front. Ninja Storm ONLY has 100% chance to work at pushing stuff after adding all 30 SP. And it's 4th job we are talking about here. Meso up is not that bad, though, but shadow meso doesn't have ANY practical use, except adding knockback on a single target, and you get to outdamage it at any possible situation later on... No comment on shadow web. It even makes you loose your mob. Oh, and attack it and it looses its effect. Endure is way better for you guys now, though, we didn't get it buffed, only shadowers. And remove drain from that list, it's awesome. Different game style. Also, disorder is nice to have just one point in it.

As for your list, though... Well, the only useless ones are Ninja ambush, that we share, and shield mastery. Not sure about pickpocket and Meso Explosion combo, but if it's nice, it'd be worth having then (Just like drain and shadow partner. Without it, you can't get even 50% healed). Lucky seven is equivalent to double stab, so ignored.

Not bashing, just throwing an accurate point of view from us NLs, feel free to show yours.

I don't even need to read the rest of your post because you obviously haven't been following.. this argument was about before all this o-o and when did i gloat? i never stated i was better than anyone here...

No worries, I agree many of the people on this forum are stuck up and their e-penors shine brighter than their brains.

just leaving this here

I would assume that mages are still under maintenance, their changes are changing their changes. o_o

The gloating part was aimed at Deb, not you. Also, I was mainly pointing out to jhkplaya888 how Night Lords are not weak in kMST, as well as showing critical damage is still going to be mighty impressive. Let's face it, Night Lords will have 55% crit rate, 5% higher than now, and with SE that's 70% crit chance.

They also have improved mastery (@ 65% vs. whatever TT and L7's was).

Edit: Also, looks like Endure was removed in favor of the +10% HP skill.

Not bashing, just throwing an accurate point of view from us NLs, feel free to show yours.

No problem, just making him realize that everyone has useless skills, it depends on how you see them. For example, the only one I really see useless is Ninja Ambush. And Disorder. The rest, I like and use quite a bit.

Sure, there will still be time to fix all of the skills, balance them, remake them, replace them, whatever. Just be patient (like most of us Shadowers have been for 11 years) and things will change, might be good, might be worse, but only time will tell.

Shadowers are also pretty pineappleing strong now. They finally got SHADOW Partner too, lol. Makes sense, I'm happy for them. There was a guy complaining about range just because he can't hit Zakum's top right arm. Yeah, that's quite annoying. Barrage can't hit it, but Demolition can. But Assassinate is still a hell of a killer. I guess something could be done. Not like it matters much unless you're soloing the arms. When I had no Demolition I just Barraged the arms I could hit. Why are Shadowers complaining about anything, really? Assassinate is awesome.

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sorry man
its top LEFT arm and LEFT HT head
both parts can be hit with barrage as well as with most atking skills but assasinate doesnt reach them
read more closely ty
and as you could see i already shut about it to stop the drama.(yet i didnt change my word about what i think about assa range)

just leaving this here

I would assume that mages are still under maintenance, their changes are changing their changes. o_o

So? yeah i said that but that isn't gloating that I am better in anyway. If that offended you or anyone for that matter then you must be quite insecure that maybe just MAYBE it applies to you.

sorry man
its top LEFT arm and LEFT HT head
both parts can be hit with barrage as well as with most atking skills but assasinate doesnt reach them
read more closely ty
and as you could see i already shut about it to stop the drama.(yet i didnt change my word about what i think about assa range)

No point using assassinate when you can hit all the the left head, middle head, left arm, and wings with jump-boomstepping.

So? yeah i said that but that isn't gloating that I am better in anyway. If that offended you or anyone for that matter then you must be quite insecure that maybe just MAYBE it applies to you.

Here we go again...

So? yeah i said that but that isn't gloating that I am better in anyway. If that offended you or anyone for that matter then you must be quite insecure that maybe just MAYBE it applies to you.

Don't worry, man. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days you'll become a high damaging class like Shadowers are. Just be patient. : )

No point using assassinate when you can hit all the the left head, middle head, left arm, and wings with jump-boomstepping.

what if other parts are already gone ^^ (except for the arm and maybe head) i wouldnt want to trigger mass seduce or mass dispel so 1vs1 skill would be nice as well
but as i said ill shut up about it till the vids with sp + skills are shown and see how the things work in game

Don't worry, man. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days you'll become a high damaging class like Shadowers are. Just be patient. : )

LOL i love you dude. Wish i knew how to do those f4 faces on this site, i'd put one T_T

No point using assassinate when you can hit all the the left head, middle head, left arm, and wings with jump-boomstepping.

Ok, just confirmed. Avenger's gonna be awesome in there, too.

What, bandits get shadow partner now?
Wow, making me want to continue my bandit EVEN more.

Hooray for them putting the ATT boost on transformation!
Let's hope its not just a typo again.

Here we go again...

ahaha...

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I always thought Shadow Partner was one of the ugliest buffs in the game. The shadow follows you around so awkwardly, and skills that hit 1723816 times are just annoying to look at after about 5 minutes of training with them. I'm not a big fan of carrying Summoning Rocks, either. I'd prefer they just give Shadowers a damage buff :/

Summoning Rocks are just a waste of space. Ditch the system, Nexon.

I always thought Shadow Partner was one of the ugliest buffs in the game. The shadow follows you around so awkwardly, and skills that hit 1723816 times are just annoying to look at after about 5 minutes of training with them. I'm not a big fan of carrying Summoning Rocks, either. I'd prefer they just give Shadowers a damage buff :/

Summoning Rocks are just a waste of space. Ditch the system, Nexon.

The only think I'd like to see with shadow partner is that the shadow gets your shape. That's all.

I'm talking about currently. Saw a Night Lord hit 56k with one star while his others were hitting 4-5k. I never said you and mages were the same, I said you're "Like" them. As in there is a slight, but not exact, relation that can be drawn between the two situations...



Bandits can't even take a hit from BF without a PG mule. >.<

I can...

Oh hey guys, whats up with all these new changes....



*faints*