4th job Single Target DPS

For comparison purposes for evans who do not yet have blaze.

For comparison purposes for evans who do not yet have blaze.

This.

Blaze isn't maxed until 170 at the earliest, thats a level a majority of people won't be able to make.

For comparison purposes for evans who do not yet have blaze.

This.

Blaze isn't maxed until 170 at the earliest, thats a level a majority of people won't be able to make.

This table is a comparison for uber equipped characters at level 200 against a snail. Being low-leveled is not an excuse.
You could, with similar reason, argue to include fire arrow DPS for F/P mages since it isn't until later in 4th job that they'll have paralyze maxed. Or even go further and don't include maxed BE, SE or hurricane for bowmasters since that takes a long time to max as well.

True but this is a fairly big difference... also if a damage cap were ever incorperated we would see Illusion has the ability to surpass Blaze. Even if Blaze managed to hit crit for damage cap every single time it would only carry a DPS of about 187k, something this chart clearly doesn't reflect when we factor in Thorns and fire weakness.

This table is a comparison for uber equipped characters at level 200 against a snail. Being low-leveled is not an excuse.
You could, with similar reason, argue to include fire arrow DPS for F/P mages since it isn't until later in 4th job that they'll have paralyze maxed. Or even go further and don't include maxed BE, SE or hurricane for bowmasters since that takes a long time to max as well.

Then why include a calculation for Marksmen not using Snipe?

Blaze doesn't have the *greatest* of range, Killing Wings does. Some people could use Killing Wings over Blaze for that reason, and if your going to Include Phantom Imprint and Illusion Spam in the dps calculations, there is no reason for Killing Wing not to be used either.

Also a question, would using Final Blow for Arans in 1v1 hinder their dps in the end?

Then why include a calculation for Marksmen not using Snipe?

That's a reason to remove "Marksmen without Snipe" but not a reason to add "Evan without Blaze"

And to quote someone important, you are using this argument:

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Then why include a calculation for Marksmen not using Snipe?

Blaze doesn't have the *greatest* of range, Killing Wings does. Some people could use Killing Wings over Blaze for that reason, and if your going to Include Phantom Imprint and Illusion Spam in the dps calculations, there is no reason for Killing Wing not to be used either.

Also a question, would using Final Blow for Arans in 1v1 hinder their dps in the end?

Because Snipe's damage can't be accurately determined even at level 200 due to its wacky cooldown. The Snipe box only shows how much a Markman's damage can potentially be boosted by perfect timing of Snipe.

I can't imagine anyone using Wings for damage purposes over Blaze, even with it's slightly better range. I was under the impression this chart exists to compare endgame damage potential, not compare the convenience of skills under specific circumstances. I would suggest keeping both Blaze and Illusion however, as the level requirement for Blaze is considerably higher than most classes.

Also a question, would using Final Blow for Arans in 1v1 hinder their dps in the end?

If the Aran is only hitting one target, using Final Blow significantly reduces DPS. I tried adding it in in the preliminary stage, but it was *so* much lower that I decided to take it out.

If the Aran is only hitting one target, using Final Blow significantly reduces DPS. I tried adding it in in the preliminary stage, but it was *so* much lower that I decided to take it out.

How is Final Blow's damage if the Aran is hitting more than one target?

So apparently it seems like final cut does double non-mirrored damage, it's just that nobody updated the skill tables. Bloody storm seems to be 210% at max, flying assaulter is 300%, and upper stab works strangely with mirror image to make a 183.75% proportion (306.25% if mirror image does 60%). I dunno about fatal blow and chains because the numbers go off the screen =|

So apparently it seems like final cut does double non-mirrored damage, it's just that nobody updated the skill tables. Bloody storm seems to be 210% at max, flying assaulter is 300%, and upper stab works strangely with mirror image to make a 183.75% proportion (306.25% if mirror image does 60%). I dunno about fatal blow and chains because the numbers go off the screen =|

What was changed when then? :o

Here's a video of an Aran with Thorns. Even when his critical success is > 35% his critical damage doesn't drop. Perhaps it stack with Arans after all?

[video=youtube;ERgdV1H6D2E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERgdV1H6D2E[/video]

Probobly just because of the crazy +%stat stuff? Dunno much about arans so idk if he even reached the amount of combo's for his crit passive crits to go into play.

The main thing I noticed was that he had a very high Critical Rate when he had > 60 combos. So either Thorns stacks or he's very lucky. IIRC, Aran's Critical Success is > 35% at 60 combos or more which is when Thorns should stop stacking.

Here's a video of an Aran with Thorns. Even when his critical success is > 35% his critical damage doesn't drop. Perhaps it stack with Arans after all?

[video=youtube;ERgdV1H6D2E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERgdV1H6D2E[/video]

I am thoroughly disgusted and pleased at the same time. Also, lern2CombatStep.

For Arans, Thorns effects only works as long as they're "gaining combo", so Thorns would stop at 100+ combo count, which the Aran didn't break.

For Arans, Thorns effects only works as long as they're "gaining combo", so Thorns would stop at 100+ combo count, which the Aran didn't break.

I thought Thorns doesn't affect you if your natural critical rate is > 35%. Isn't that at around 60 combos for Arans?

I thought Thorns doesn't affect you if your natural critical rate is > 35%. Isn't that at around 60 combos for Arans?

It's actually at 50. Arans start with an innate 10% Critical, and gain 6% for every 10 combo.

Hi all. New here, but not that new to Aran's calculations.

Back several months back, I did a DPS calculation for Aran for single-target bossing. I didn't have the delay values for all the skills, except for "X no. of swings per minute" for normal attack, double swing, triple swing and triple swing + final blow. Nonetheless, I made some approximations for some of the skills. So, I'm hyperlinking my study here, from the asiasoftsea forum.

[Study/Guide] A Study on Aran Bossing Battling Techniques

In particular, I point out this table that I collated. *warning picture is quite big with lots of numbers*

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I leave you all to think about what my numbers say. There are, admittedly, inaccuracies from the lack of values etc, but I believe that I've done the numbers as best as I could.

I'm posting this because I agree with Kaida that FB's damage at lower levels is *cringes*. But maxed FB does well actually, and shouldn't be excluded from calculations.

I have other calculations, but I shan't put them up yet. One at a time.

In addition, Hanabira if you're reading this, I want to say thanks for helping me poke the people here =)

Hadriel