Return of the Explorers; Part 1

PA drks ARE NOT BROKEN. They are one of the faster training classes out of all the melee's.

[color="#000080"] Because that's why these patches are called balance patches. They should try to re balance different classes, or the branches inside those classes.

If Sword Heroes are clearly owning Axe Heroes, why not try and re balance them.

PA drks ARE NOT BROKEN. They are one of the faster training classes out of all the melee's.

But they are clearly the worst choice between spear DrKs, PADrK and Arans.[/color]

Read previous post, I am all for the balance of axe/blunts to swords.

Was just making the point that PA drks are strong, fast training mob killers compared to the majority of melee adventurers.

PA drks ARE NOT BROKEN.

I didn't say they were, I was replying to someone who said they needed to be fixed.

[font="Tahoma"] [color="#000080"]If Sword Heroes are clearly owning Axe Heroes, why not try and re balance them.

How exactly would they go about doing that without a massive skill change?

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I didn't say they were, I was replying to someone who said they needed to be fixed.



How exactly would they go about doing that without a massive skill change?

Forcing stab/swing ratios, like they did with arans. There, problem fixed. [/color]

Still not everything, besides bishops arent as needed as they were before.



good sarcasm.

Why are you being so defensive about bishops? 96% of them are ksers, people who flaunt their power,and have ALL of the MOST usefull buffs in the game.

I always thought Brandish should be 1 Slash and a 50:50 ratio for Stab/Slash on the 2nd hit, that way both weapons aren't ownt. Making a double slash seems like it could destroy Sword Heroes.

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Forcing stab/swing ratios, like they did with arans. There, problem fixed. [/color]

Why do that when you can create another Adventurer Gaiden class that uses BWs and Axes and completely destroys heroes as we know them?

I've never bothered learning anything about how Maple works, how does Brandish work at the moment?

>fastest leveling character
>strongest character in most trained map
>most wanted character in parties i dont think so, at least not for bossing, they need 0-2 bishops at HT and 0 at zakum.
>most cost efficient character
>most survivable character well bishops dont have dps and they do have "support" skills like bless that are almost useless now.
>implying they need to be buffed

Where exactly do Bishops deserve to be buffed?

As a Bishop I really don't mind about being better for myself, but better support would be neat :3 a better Holy Shield would be sweet. I think that's much more useful than a better Bless.

You know, something that actually benefits other jobs more than Bishops, but that makes Bishops better supporters. Dispel/Heal/HS is all useful we really got. No one in 4th job will ever need Bless, though I still cast it. And Holy Shield is just a super Dispel.

Here.

Bishops are hs+genesis mules nothing else, and they doesnt deserve to be buffed? at least better bless (wich would be useless), better HS, whats the problem if their MA gets increased? ill tell you, there's no problem at all.
if nexon doesnt buff them its cause they know a LOT of ppl will make them unbuff them.

Why dont ppl JUST care about their jobs? and stop complaining about the others? if bishops are THAT COOL why dont you make 1? if you are gonna say they just press 1 button, ill tell you NL, warriors and archers do the same thing.

Edit: about the bishops killing faster than NL, that was sarcasm...

You want higher damage? Better support skills?

Make an attacker, hell, make an Archmage, theres really no better "support class" besides Drks, so make a Drk? Bishops are a support class that can compete with an offensive class, (Archmages), along with having 3-6 very wanted party skills, very cheap to maintain, One of the fastest if not THE fastest leveling class in the game, and wanted in training and bossing parties, along with the highest survivability of any magician class, and you want more?

If anything Angel Ray and Genesis needs to be nerfed. Seriously. Holy Shield is the only skill that would need something more. Longer Holy Shield duration is perfectly acceptable in my opinion, but in no way needed, there is a reason that Bishops/Priest/Clerics make up a huge amount of the population.

Theres also no need to complain about being a "Mule." All classes are considered a mule if they do not supply high tier 1v1 damage, that or crap if they don't provide a useful skill.

I know I would kill to be the one of the most wanted classes for bossing and training parties, along with being cheap as balls to maintain while being able 100% 1/2hit ko 15 skeles at once.

Bishops are hs+genesis mules nothing else

Night Lords and Cosairs are nothing more than attack mules. Does that make you feel a little better?

At least bishops have a use when they hit 200. They can leech an attacking class to 140+ really fast.

Blessing mule thats wanted in bosses ftw?

You want higher damage? Better support skills?

Make an attacker, hell, make an Archmage, theres really no better "support class" besides Drks, so make a Drk? Bishops are a support class that can compete with an offensive class, (Archmages), along with having 3-6 very wanted party skills, very cheap to maintain, One of the fastest if not THE fastest leveling class in the game, and wanted in training and bossing parties, along with the highest survivability of any magician class, and you want more?

If anything Angel Ray and Genesis needs to be nerfed. Seriously. Holy Shield is the only skill that would need something more. Longer Holy Shield duration is perfectly acceptable in my opinion, but in no way needed, there is a reason that Bishops/Priest/Clerics make up a huge amount of the population.

Theres also no need to complain about being a "Mule." All classes are considered a if they do not supply high tier 1v1 damage, that or crap if they don't provide a useful skill.

Yes.
You know archmages are not "attackers".
tell me wich 6 skills are "very wanted"...
AR, seriously? why is that??
I bet you wish bishops become priest again so melee classes can rule over them like they did before. (my theory, thats why bishops are so hated)

Night Lords and Cosairs are nothing more than attack mules. Does that make you feel a little better?

No. this game is all about attack so what else do you want?

I'm pretty sure spamming genesis on zak arms and HT main body is considered by most to be extremely high DPS.

Yes.
You know archmages are not "attackers".
tell me wich 6 skills are "very wanted"...
AR, seriously? why is that??
I bet you wish bishops become priest again so melee classes can rule over them like they did before. (my theory, thats why bishops are so hated)

Archmages are not 1v1 attackers in the slightest, but they still have massive damage potential that can outdamage top tier 1v1 classes, if thats not an attacker I don't know what is. Bishops, however, are designed around supporting their party, and its UTTER crap to me that Bishops come as close as they do in mobbing dps. Bishops need lowered Damage dealing capabilities so they stop whining about "moar damage" and appreciate and do what the class was meant to do; Support.

To answer your 2nd question,

Holy Symbol.
Dispel.
Heal.
Holy Shield.
Resurrect.
Bless.
Door.

and along with that, have Mobbing control capabilities, wtp?

No one hates Bishops, Bishops are usually a vital part of success in training and bossing, what I dislike is Bishops not appreciating what they DO have and demanding more like a spoiled child.

No. this game is all about attack so what else do you want?

Then why the hell did you make a Bishop?

and on that note, why should the class be changed to fit your needs?If you want a damage dealing class, make a damage dealer. Its obvious not only by the class information given in game and by the skillbook that Bishops are a support oriented class over anything.

Archmages are not 1v1 attackers in the slightest, but they still have massive damage potential that can outdamage top tier 1v1 classes, if thats not an attacker I don't know what is. Bishops, however, are designed around supporting their party, and its UTTER crap to me that Bishops come as close as they do in mobbing dps. Bishops need lowered Damage dealing capabilities so they stop whining about "moar damage" and appreciate and do what the class was meant to do; Support.

To answer your 2nd question,

Holy Symbol.
Dispel. = very wanted? (all cures pot)
Heal.
Holy Shield.= Really? some ppl dont even know this skill...
Resurrect.= just used on boss runs (if the run is pro you dont even use it)
Bless. = LOL!!
Door.

and along with that, have Mobbing control capabilities, wtp?

No one hates Bishops, Bishops are usually a vital part of success in training and bossing, what I dislike is Bishops not appreciating what they DO have and demanding more like a spoiled child.
Mmmm arent melee classes always demanding more and when nexon gives them what they want they complain about the game is broken?...



Then why the hell did you make a Bishop?
I did my bishop 3+ years ago and i dont regreat a little bit i love magician class specially bishops (and now evans) and yes i´ve made 151 MM, 147 bucc and know what? i just dont like melee classes, I love this game very much the only thing i dont like is that you need to SPEND TO pineappleING MUCH! to make an efficient melee class, its rediculous that you need to spend money to Ht,Pb etc


and on that note, why should the class be changed to fit your needs?If you want a damage dealing class, make a damage dealer. Its obvious not only by the class information given in game and by the skillbook that Bishops are a support oriented class over anything.

Stop your horses! when did i say nexon MUST change this game cause of my needs?
Well, if you wanna TRAIN FASTER? why dont you make a bishop then? haha combo breaker!

Stop your horses! when did i say nexon MUST change this game cause of my needs?
Well, if you wanna TRAIN FASTER? why dont you make a bishop then? haha combo breaker!

Where did I say that you did say that?

And I do have a Bishop, although I hardly play it besides use as a HS mule these days, Bishops have a lot going for them, but there is no point in playing a class that I do not enjoy. If your so dead set on attacking, make and train an attacker, Bishops do not need anything else. If you don't want to play an attacker, learn to appreciate what your class has to offer.

And in response to what you said in the quote, I really do not care what you have to say about your own party skills, Boss and training parties want bishops for those reasons. I fail, yes, but my Aran relies on Bless to hit Horntail without a Karstan.

The game has little balance as it is, giving Bishops more attack power on top of everything else is not acceptable. Bishops are super close to Archmages for being a support class as it is, by no means should they be there, be any closer, or be on par with Archmages.

Where did I say that you did say that?

And I do have a Bishop, although I hardly play it besides use as a HS mule these days, Bishops have a lot going for them, but there is no point in playing a class that I do not enjoy. If your so dead set on attacking, make and train an attacker, Bishops do not need anything else. If you don't want to play an attacker, learn to appreciate what your class has to offer.

And in response to what you said in the quote, I really do not care what you have to think about your own party skills, Boss and training parties want bishops for Those reasons.

The game has little balance as it is, giving Bishops more attack power on top of everything else is not acceptable. Bishops are super close to Archmages for being a support class as it is, by no means should they be there, be any closer, or be on par with Archmages.

I dont care about what you think either.

I do appreciate bishops but more attack wont hurt anyone, i repeat it WONT HURT ANYONE. <------ WHATS THE PROBLEM THEN???????? whats YOUR problem? do you think if a bishop does 75k dmg now its gonna affect someone if after patch does 80k? do you really think that?? RIDICULOUS!!!

Sounds like someone needs to actually raise a bishop and find out that most of our
so called "wanted skills" are replaced by potions and CS items...

And angel ray is like shooting a fucking pea shooter at mobs even at level 30, it never needs a nerf.
Oh and did I mention that gene30 is near impossible to get, so most of your high levels are spent with lvl 20 ultimate.