Masteria Expansions, Names and the proof for each

yeah. I really doubt they knew at all back then, either side. Even if there were people who did know, it'd probably be a secret kept for the strongest of strong (Grandmasters).

hehe, reminds me the end of "FullMetal Alchemist".. in the final episode, there's a huge dead city, which was kept in secret underground with a horrible history- exactly under the centeral city in the anime. lol

so, my suggestions:

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[SIZE="4"]Old Sapp Village [/SIZE][which is destroyed, or some people/monsters are living there. anyway there's a huge secret underground.]

Maybe even something like old New york from futurama, where the top city creates a huge cavern with the old city in ruins under it.

Is Pap from Versal? He/it is the same color as Elpam, and it would make sense to extend the story of our most popular boss.

Pap is from an alternate dimension. Dimension = Versal?
Also, this would solve the Masteria <-> Ossyria, as if there is a crack in the dimensions, then all you have to do is exit through the crack, and you're in ludi.

I thought I remember reading somewhere that the Krakians were intelligent/learning plants. I think this sounds like Papulatus, so maybe its possible that the Krakians look like Papulatus. After all, Papulatus was from a different dimension, so maybe he was from versal. Does anybody remember the thread that said that the Krakians were plants? I dont remember because my friend said he read it somewhere.

I thought I remember reading somewhere that the Krakians were intelligent/learning plants. I think this sounds like Papulatus, so maybe its possible that the Krakians look like Papulatus. After all, Papulatus was from a different dimension, so maybe he was from versal. Does anybody remember the thread that said that the Krakians were plants? I dont remember because my friend said he read it somewhere.

The Krakians are "plant-people". They were from Masteria, as they fought with the original Crimsonwood Keep multiple times. (That's how the Phantom Forest became haunted) Now, they could have been tampered with during Masteria's tenure in Versal, though.

The Krakians are "plant-people". They were from Masteria, as they fought with the original Crimsonwood Keep multiple times. (That's how the Phantom Forest became haunted) Now, they could have been tampered with during Masteria's tenure in Versal, though.

oh, maybe this is what happened to the Krakians.

Plant-like>transported to Versal>became mutated Versal/Pap plant-like things>came back to where it is now.

I wonder if this is why Pap, Elpam, and some of other Masterian monsters have the same color skin. and since Elpam is blue I wonder if all the Versal ppl are all blue. Pap is both a plant and blue. and also if Pap is truly from Versal, he probably got his color from lack of light.

elpam and papulatus are nowhere near similar. And what says there are only two places something can be from?

oh, maybe this is what happened to the Krakians.

Plant-like>transported to Versal>became mutated Versal/Pap plant-like things>cam back to where it is now.

I wonder if this is why Pap, Elpam, and some of other Masterian monsters have the same color skin. and since Elpam is blue I wonder if all the Versal ppl are all blue.

Elpam and all regular Versalians have that blue skin because Versal has no sun for most of the year, thus they are pale, moreover many of them are covered by armor, masks, etc.

However, most plants cannot live without sunlight, so either Pap comes naturally in his ghost plant-like form, or he was changed into this form. Krakians were intelligent plantlife, so what better way to do this but by mutating them? (reeks of Magatia's Jemunist alchemy... Black Magician/ The alchemist?)

as a side note, Pap came into Clock Tower with Grims, Gigantic Spirit Vikings, Thanatos, and Gatekeeper. There are pale... droplets... all over the Forgotten Path of Time, and Gatekeeper has the pale skin, so why couldn't all this be from Versal?

ps srry for wall of text...

elpam and papulatus are nowhere near similar. And what says there are only two places something can be from?

Eventhough they do not look the same that doesnt mean that more than one species cant live in Versal, does it? Who says only one species lives there? And also like randompeep said, what if ther both got this color because of Versal's lack of light. lasty, since Pap is from a differnent dimension, and Versal is in a different dimension(I think) what if they are both the same?
anyways, I hope we get Versal soon.

elpam and papulatus are nowhere near similar. And what says there are only two places something can be from?

They don't. This was just a huge idea, and it could solve our Masteria-Ossyria transport if they don't get the Antellion up. (or it could be an alternate way to travel)

Pap and Elpam are nothing alike, except the skin. Yet that was enough on Crimsonwood enemies to get speculation about "CWK enemies are from Versal" up.

Pap is a plant, in search of energy. Being mutated and/or from Versal, he cannot gather energy in the normal way (ie sun). Therefore, what better way to get it than to leech it off an energy source, or the Time Sphere, as it so happens to be?


On the "MesoGears = Catacombs" thing, I can see how Crimsonheart hid something to his grave, but I cannot see entering the ruins of Old Sappe Village. We need room for the Pharoah's Gate / Yetinx, after all.

People talking about Pap's skin are missing the point.

He's a plant-based ghostly blob. I would say the word "skin" is not an accurate way to describe him at all.

That's not to say that I don't believe his alternate dimension could actually be Versal (a retcon if I ever saw one), I'm just saying you guys are barking up the wrong tree here. In fact, I'm hoping Nexon takes the story in that direction myself, but Pap's "skin" is not a hint at all. I doubt if his plant-based-ness could even be tied to Krakia either.

EDIT: About Pap's plantlife having trouble with photosynthesis: His form is ghostly. I doubt if he would need to perform photosynthesis at all.

The reason I thought this up was because of this post:

[quote=IsaacGS]Well I can't be sure about that, but I don't think he meant Affluent specifically.

We learned a LOT about Krakia in this patch. [...]
Now, we know that it was under the manipulation of the Alchemist, who experiments on anyone and anything, and created the Headless Horseman. We know that not only did they wipe out the Taru, but the Krakians also fought with Crimsonwood, which was an idea no one had previously suggested. We didn't know what the Krakians were, but we knew they weren't human. Now we know that they're sentient, strong, huge plant-people.

We also got a bit more expansion on bigger ben/MesoGears in particular, that the tomb of Crimsonheart is not opened and so we've got that to look forward to as well. Can't really think of any other areas though.

Since the original Krakians were enormous plant people, when Masteria was sent to Versal, the Alchemist could have tampered them, and considering what he did with HH, I think it's within the realm of possibility. Pap could have been shrunk, made into his ghost-like appearance, etc. Considering what the Jemunists have done, these sort of changes may be possible, and they are lesser magicians than the Alchemist. Masteria did not reappear until recently, and Pap broke through recently, too, so the two events may be related.

Also, if all the above was true, what if Pap was attempting to escape Versal, not break into our dimension?

The reason I thought this up was because of this post:
[quote=IsaacGS]

Since the original Krakians were enormous plant people, when Masteria was sent to Versal, the Alchemist could have tampered them, and considering what he did with HH, I think it's within the realm of possibility. Pap could have been shrunk, made into his ghost-like appearance, etc. Considering what the Jemunists have done, these sort of changes may be possible, and they are lesser magicians than the Alchemist. Masteria did not reappear until recently, and Pap broke through recently, too, so the two events may be related.

Also, if all the above was true, what if Pap was attempting to escape Versal, not break into our dimension?

while that's a pretty neat idea, we can't go giving everyone a tragic backstory I don't wanna feel bad killing Pap now too. xD

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lol... =P
put it this way, no matter what happened, Pap's still leeching, and causing trouble for Ludi, therefore, you're justified to kill him.

If it is Masteria -> Versal -> Ludi through crack in dimension, what happens if you don't have the ludibrium medal.

[quote=randompeep]The reason I thought this up was because of this post:

while that's a pretty neat idea, we can't go giving everyone a tragic backstory I don't wanna feel bad killing Pap now too. xD

don't you already feel sorry when you kill a headless horseman?
whew, so everyone agree that versal = the other dimension?

[quote=IsaacGS]

don't you already feel sorry when you kill a headless horseman?
whew, so everyone agree that versal = the other dimension?

yes

[quote=Roads]

yes

no.

i just attempted to upgrade a stirge on a string to a stirge on a rope, and it gave me a stirge-o-whip o.O i skipped an upgrade! i guess if i can fail and it can downgrade it can double upgrade too

EDIT: i tried to upgrade my stirge-o-whip again, and guess what? it gave me a stirge on a string again T.T

Maybe even something like old New york from futurama, where the top city creates a huge cavern with the old city in ruins under it.

Come to think, New Leaf City and New York City sound similar, maybe you're right.