[1.2.161] Zak/HT/PB NERF

I don't want GMS to have this, but how is that a nerf? Arms get MORE HP? Or is Hidden Street wrong? Or is KMS different?...

Zak stayed the same from what i can tell.

Hey look, HT can be solo'd now!

If anyone remember console rpq games, bosses only take a few minutes. Like Pokemon, Golden Sun and Super Mario RPG; I don't know why maple story made their bosses take 4 hours to kill. Zak on takes 20 minutes now so that's reasonable but PB's 7bil hp doesn't look like it's gonna be a 1-hour boss even for experienced runners.

Umm, HT can never be solo'd because of Seduce..

Hey look, HT can be solo'd now!

If anyone remember console rpq games, bosses only take a few minutes. Like Pokemon, Golden Sun and Super Mario RPG; I don't know why maple story made their bosses take 4 hours to kill. Zak on takes 20 minutes now so that's reasonable but PB's 7bil hp doesn't look like it's gonna be a 1-hour boss even for experienced runners.

Those games also have a much shorter gameplay life. They're meant for quick fun. Maple is srs bsns.

We killed Horned Tail in 34 minutes two days ago. Synergy & Friends group, Scania server.

I would only see a need for this to come to GMS if apples were taken out, but if it never came here then it's not really a necessity. Big guilds should have something to throw out their billioins of mesos into the economy, and apples work quite nicely for spreading out the money. I think things are fine in GMS the way they are, and that we should get the unnerfed version of pink bean when we finally do get pink bean.

Hey look, HT can be solo'd now!

If anyone remember console rpq games, bosses only take a few minutes. Like Pokemon, Golden Sun and Super Mario RPG; I don't know why maple story made their bosses take 4 hours to kill. Zak on takes 20 minutes now so that's reasonable but PB's 7bil hp doesn't look like it's gonna be a 1-hour boss even for experienced runners.

don't forget practically every other console rpg out there, like smash bros, zelda and other i probably forgot

Someone care to explain what's this I found? It's like a bad dream, but... well... check for yourselves:

PART 1

PART 2

It's odd. Seems to be something like a korean thanksgiving event... But the bounce thing seems totally new.

Someone care to explain what's this I found? It's like a bad dream, but... well... check for yourselves:

PART 1

PART 2

It's odd. Seems to be something like a korean thanksgiving event... But the bounce thing seems totally new.

Turning into a moon and moon bunny seems weird.

I wouldn't say they're weaker. They're just less time consuming.

Agreed.

Bosses in this game take way too much time just killing, let alone if you include organization. I'm all for less time spent on boss fights. Standing there holding a key and doing it over and over and over and over is just bleh. Also less time spent there encourages going more because they don't take so pineappleing long. x.x;

Agreed.

Bosses in this game take way too much time just killing, let alone if you include organization. I'm all for less time spent on boss fights. Standing there holding a key and doing it over and over and over and over is just bleh. Also less time spent there encourages going more because they don't take so pineappleing long. x.x;

Totally agree >_>. I dont mind how long zakum takes sometimes, because i go 4 times a week. Then again, It does get tedious and at times boring. Even pap is extremely boring now, i solo most of the time, but i enjoy bringing along a party...or two for fun.

I'd rather not see this implented in game. If you see howmuch time people take to "grind" and level up on higher levels it's fairly balanced. The time we take now to take down bosses. For the strongest attacker its even better exp/hr then regular training.

I'd rather not see this implented in game. If you see howmuch time people take to "grind" and level up on higher levels it's fairly balanced. The time we take now to take down bosses. For the strongest attacker its even better exp/hr then regular training.

Who said you can't make the exp lower? If it keeps the same ratio, it'd make no difference. Actually, you'd get 3x drops if you do 3 runs one after the other, taking the same time.

Who said you can't make the exp lower? If it keeps the same ratio, it'd make no difference. Actually, you'd get 3x drops if you do 3 runs one after the other, taking the same time.

I don't know if my I made myself clear but heres my point. I (personally) think that if you decrease the duration of a boss fight its unbalanced compared to the rest of the game where you take relatively long to level up with regular grinding.

Shortening boss runs would greatly take away from the Maplestory bossing experience, IMO. Part of what makes a Horntail run fun is enduring the full hour inside the cave, and progressing through each part while trying to contribute and survive. Being able to breeze through the boss in merely 20 minutes makes it seem completely less rewarding.

If Nexon wants to make the major bosses available to more people, they should just open up more channels. If they want more lower levels to access bosses, then they should just make more, weaker bosses instead of nerfing existing ones. There's no point in trying to fix something that's not broken, ergo, boss stats should be left as they are.

If you're going to complain about the length of boss runs in MS, Consider the Pandemonium Virtue boss in Final Fantasy XI. I has a grand total of 20 forms, and takes approximately 18 hours to beat. Compared to 20 minute Zak runs, 1 hour Horntail, and the 3-4 hours predicted necessary for Pink Been it seems kind of extreme, right? And yet players still attempt and manage to beat it. I personally think that 18 hours is way over the top, but sitting down for 4 hours with a handful of peers and just bossing away is my idea of fun in MS. And that's what a game's supposed to be, right? Fun.

Shortening boss runs would greatly take away from the Maplestory bossing experience, IMO. Part of what makes a Horntail run fun is enduring the full hour inside the cave, and progressing through each part while trying to contribute and survive. Being able to breeze through the boss in merely 20 minutes makes it seem completely less rewarding.

If Nexon wants to make the major bosses available to more people, they should just open up more channels. If they want more lower levels to access bosses, then they should just make more, weaker bosses instead of nerfing existing ones. There's no point in trying to fix something that's not broken, ergo, boss stats should be left as they are.

If you're going to complain about the length of boss runs in MS, Consider the Pandemonium Virtue boss in Final Fantasy XI. I has a grand total of 20 forms, and takes approximately 18 hours to beat. Compared to 20 minute Zak runs, 1 hour Horntail, and the 3-4 hours predicted necessary for Pink Been it seems kind of extreme, right? And yet players still attempt and manage to beat it. I personally think that 18 hours is way over the top, but sitting down for 4 hours with a handful of peers and just bossing away is my idea of fun in MS. And that's what a game's supposed to be, right? Fun.

They are doing this because kms has almost no attack pots, much less 140 w.attack and 1000 m.atk pots like we do.

Thats a good thing isn't it? Takes much faster to take em down unlike before =).

The hell? That's stupidly insane. Zak didn't get nerfed though. His arms ranged from 35m ~ 25m, some having 27 and such. All arms having 33m is actually an upgrade.

Seriously though, that means a horntail run takes what, 20-30 minutes? Less even. That's just dumb. Anyone could start HT runs that way.

Almost all bosses were reduced in HP by up to 66%.

Horntail Preliminary Head A - 330M HP --> 110M HP
Horntail Preliminary Head B - 330M HP --> 110M HP

Main Horntail Boss
Head A - 330M HP --> 110M HP
Head B - 490M HP --> 160M HP
Head C - 330M HP --> 110M HP
Horntail's Left Hand - 230M HP --> 76M HP
Horntail's Right Hand - 230M HP --> 76M HP
Horntail's Wings - 270M HP --> 90M HP
Horntail's Legs - 130M HP --> 43M HP
Horntail's Tail - 80M HP --> 27M HP

TOTAL REDUCTION: 2.09B HP --> 692M HP

Pink Bean Fight
Ariel Statue - 600M HP --> 200M HP
FL Scholar Statue - 300M HP --> 100M HP
FR Scholar Statue - 300M HP --> 100M HP
ML Hawk Statue - 450M HP --> 150M HP
MR Hawk Statue - 450M HP --> 150M HP

Zakum
First Body - 66M
Second Body - 88M
Third Body - 110M
All arms - 33M

I wish I could say this is all a joke, but it isn't.

the words HOLY CRAP! and pineapple NO! comes to mind....

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Seriously though, that means a horntail run takes what, 20-30 minutes? Less even. That's just dumb. Anyone could start HT runs that way.

Isn't that the purpose of a game?

To let everyone have fun, instead of having all the zomg lvl200 elite 2x Exp / Gachapon cheaters rule this game with retarded HT Pendant and Egg sellings?

Please, add this to gMS too Nexon, the sooner the better!

Isn't that the purpose of a game?

To let everyone have fun, instead of having all the zomg lvl200 elite 2x Exp / Gachapon cheaters rule this game with retarded HT Pendant and Egg sellings?

Please, add this to gMS too Nexon, the sooner the better!

Amen!

Bosses shouldnt take hours on end. I welcome the change and hope we get it soon.