Thorns + bucc with no stun mastery = bossing bucc?

I believe the stuff posted on Insoya about how Thorns worked was based on real experimentation. I don't think anyone in KMS is high enough of a level on KMS (MAYBE KMST, but I doubt you'll get anyone to test it well enough or anyone to have the patience to get a Viper up high enough to test it) with a Dual Blade or knows anyone that's a fourth job Dual Blader with Thorns to test it. So, until it comes out in JapanMS/MapleSEA/Global MapleStory, we won't see any real results.

I got into KMST this term so if needed I could try testing this.
On another note, Stun Mastery only has an effect on Buccaneer stuns, if any other job uses a stun skill and a Bucc hits that monster, Stun Mastery crits won't activate (I tested this with a WK's Charge Blow, Crusader's Shout and both 3rd job Archer's summons).

I got into KMST this term so if needed I could try testing this.
On another note, Stun Mastery only has an effect on Buccaneer stuns, if any other job uses a stun skill and a Bucc hits that monster, Stun Mastery crits won't activate (I tested this with a WK's Charge Blow, Crusader's Shout and both 3rd job Archer's summons).

Huh? They should. When my Gunslinger friends in JapanMS used Blank Shot (the stun skill) on mobs, I would attack them and criticals would appear. :f6:

Huh? They should. When my Gunslinger friends in JapanMS used Blank Shot (the stun skill) on mobs, I would attack them and criticals would appear. :f6:

I haven't tested with Blank Shot. One of the only skills I didn't try. Maybe it's because that's a Pirate stun move? I don't know how they're distinguished in the data so I don't know how it would differ. Did you try with other skills? Or just Blank Shot? They didn't activate crits when I tried in GMS.

I haven't tested with Blank Shot. One of the only skills I didn't try. Maybe it's because that's a Pirate stun move? I don't know how they're distinguished in the data so I don't know how it would differ. Did you try with other skills? Or just Blank Shot? They didn't activate crits when I tried in GMS.

I don't think I know anyone else with stun skills, except maybe this Hero, but he never gets on. :X

On another note, Stun Mastery only has an effect on Buccaneer stuns, if any other job uses a stun skill and a Bucc hits that monster, Stun Mastery crits won't activate (I tested this with a WK's Charge Blow, Crusader's Shout and both 3rd job Archer's summons).

There are a few different kinds of stun. Completely unbreakable (WK), melee breakable (Brawler & Crusader), range breakable (Arrow bomb?)

I'd have thought Shout and Bucc stuns would be the same though :/ I guess there are even more ways to stun something.

range breakable (Arrow bomb?)

This one is broken by melee attacks only. Not ranged.

I don't think range breakable stun exists. o.o

There must be some server sided code that prevents crits if you didn't stun the monster. Just a hypothesis, though.

Well, the test for that would be - have another Bucc stun something.

If i find a bucc i'll test that later, but i think i will crit.

I'll try and test any other skills, since apparently I forgot quite a lot (didn't realise there were so many stun skills!). This is sort of off topic though, so maybe another thread could be made? If anyone really cares that much, was just a side point.

Stun skills include:

Assaulter, BStep, Charge Blow, Shout, (Panic/Coma?), Arrow Bomb, 3rd job Archer summons, Blank Shot, anything else? Not including Bucc skills.

Fire Breath?

Well, the test for that would be - have another Bucc stun something.

I tested this and i critted.