Damn atheists!

I find it utterly amusing you're talking about morals when the type of speech you employ is the exact opposite of morals.

- He offers his daughters instead because they were all gay. They wouldn't have wanted them.
- They did it themselves, god wasn't telling them to rape each other.

If your logic is that flawed I fail to see how you managed to get past grade 4.

lol In the language of the bible there is no such thing as gay. There are sodomites and even breeders could commit sodomy, according to the bible's view.

God saved those people because he said they were the only ones deserving it. These people sound far from perfect.

How is my logic flawed?

Earlier we were talking about bashing, personal insults are a bash. No surprise a Christian began that.

^That was me, you still didn't respond to my post.

Both of you though, stop bashing >.> Handle this in an intelligent way without resorting to personal insults and bashing.

C'mon, where's the mod to close this!??!?!

^That was me, you still didn't respond to my post.

Both of you though, stop bashing >.> Handle this in an intelligent way without resorting to personal insults and bashing.

C'mon, where's the mod to close this!??!?!

I guess when the Christians aren't dominating this thread anymore its suddenly inappropriate and deserves a closing.

I have been polite to everyone on this thread, but I think I have reserve the right to ridicule as something as big as organizations wasting and brainwashing people into following ancient twisted lifestyles.

I guess when the Christians aren't dominating this thread anymore its suddenly inappropriate and deserves a closing.

I'm an Athiest. Lol.
I have been polite to everyone on this thread, orly?but I think I have reserve the right to ridicule as something as big as organizations wasting and brainwashing people into following ancient twisted lifestyles. Eh, maybe. Twisted? I've seen worse. Brainwashing? Depends if God exists.

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I guess when the Christians aren't dominating this thread anymore its suddenly inappropriate and deserves a closing.

I have been polite to everyone on this thread, but I think I have reserve the right to ridicule as something as big as organizations wasting and brainwashing people into following ancient twisted lifestyles.

Right. So you're suddenly moral right?

Btw I'm atheist too. One of my best friends is christian and I don't want him ridiculed because of what he chooses to believe in.

And funny how your view changes from wanting to have gay sex with a man to they weren't homosexual.

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Why does it matter if you call yourself an atheists? Atheists still have sensitivities towards religion due to the way they were raised.

What does the existence of gods have to do with the validity of brainwashing?

Right. So you're suddenly moral right?

Btw I'm atheist too. One of my best friends is christian and I don't want him ridiculed because of what he chooses to believe in.

And funny how your view changes from wanting to have gay sex with a man to they weren't homosexual.

Suddenly moral? I consider myself a moral person, I live by my values.

I don't think anyone here is ridiculing anyone, maybe except you ridiculing me earlier. A church, a company, an organization is not an individual, and I don't feel bad criticizing them.

I don't under your gay comment.

Why does it matter if you call yourself an atheists? Atheists still have sensitivities towards religion due to the way they were raised.

What does the existence of gods have to do with the validity of brainwashing?



Suddenly moral? I consider myself a moral person, I live by my values.

I don't think anyone here is ridiculing anyone, maybe except you ridiculing me earlier. A church, a company, an organization is not an individual, and I don't feel bad criticizing them.

I don't under your gay comment.

Soddum. The men were gay as influenced by the way they wanted to rape the angels (who were men).

Oh and companies organizations? They're made up of real people, individuals who have feelings.

Just because they're Christian does not mean they're lesser then you.

^@ first comment. Dude...that kind of backfired You're pretty much saying you yourself have sensitivities towards religion due to the way you were raised.

@second comment. If gods existed it wouldn't be brainwashing, hmm? Okay, it still might be brainwashing, but it would be good brainwashing, right?

When is this thread going to become closed? All of us are just flaming each other.

There is no such thing as good brainwashing. Regardless of the reality of the gods. Individuality and freedom are things we should value the most, and no group should steal it from us.

Sodum. Angels are not men, they sodomites are sodomites, regardless of their gender. For someone who is defending relgiion you barely know the basic terms.

When did I say Christians are lesser than me? And yes companies are made of real people, but when you critize a company or any organazation you are critizing them as a whole, not the president, or specific members.

There is no such thing as good brainwashing. Regardless of the reality of the gods. Individuality and freedom are things we should value the most, and no group should steal it from us.
It might not be brainwashing at all then. More like...propaganda. Anyways, since when did churches steel freedom and individuality!?!??!?!

There is no such thing as good brainwashing. Regardless of the reality of the gods. Individuality and freedom are things we should value the most, and no group should steal it from us.
It might not be brainwashing at all then. More like...propaganda. Anyways, since when did churches steel freedom and individuality!?!??!?!

Propaganda and brainwashing are separated by a thin line.

Churches limit what you can do, who you can do, what you can eat, where you can live, who you can talk to, what you can wear, and other things, depending on each individual religion.

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Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist.

—Garth S. Jowett and Victoria O'Donnell, Propaganda and Persuasion

Propaganda is the exact same thing as persuasion.

Okay, churches may limit what you do, but it's the person's choice to get limited. They could just say "Pineapple this!" and convert to Atheism.

Why do they give up some rights? Because they want to, and by doing so they believe they won't go to hell or whatever.

And that ends my arguement for a while, like an hour? Have to go.

You think people have options with their churches? You do not chsoe your religion, it is chosen for you by birth for most people. They go their for most of their lives and are told its the truth by the people they love and trust the most.
Most people can't just wake up one day and say "hey this pomegranate is not real". You have to do a lot of soul searching and have some basic education and understanding about how the world really works.

"Because they want to, and by doing so they believe they won't go to hell or whatever."

You make it sound as if its fear and ignorance that makes them continue "believing" in the gods.

Did you know that the most religious states in the United States are also the most violent and the ones with the most death penalty?

Some one close this thread please? :f6:

Some one close this thread please? :f6:

Why?

You think people have options with their churches? You do not chsoe your religion, it is chosen for you by birth for most people. They go their for most of their lives and are told its the truth by the people they love and trust the most.
Lol. Let me tell you a little story about myself.

I was born as a Christian. Yup, and I was baptized and stuff.

However, unlike a devout Christian, I began doubting the existence of God. I mean, if God existed there would be no dinosaurs and other stuff (no need to know the full story.)

So, I converted to Atheism. My parents, the people who I love and trust the most, were not cool with it.

But I stayed Atheist.

So yeah, I pretty much chose my own religion. Born into Christianity, converted to Atheism. True, I was born into Christianity, but that does not mean I could change that.


Most people can't just wake up one day and say "hey this pomegranate is not real". Might be in my case, hmm?You have to do a lot of soul searching and have some basic education and understanding about how the world really works.

"Because they want to, and by doing so they believe they won't go to hell or whatever."

You make it sound as if its fear and ignorance that makes them continue "believing" in the gods. Yeah, I guess I worded it wrong.

Did you know that the most religious states in the United States are also the most violent and the ones with the most death penalty?Sources? (If you use Wikipedia I'll slap you with a pineapple).

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But yeah...we really need to close this soon...
How in the world did this get from a news article about hating Atheists to a flame war, then to a logical arguement (thank god it's a logical arguement now, I don't think it'll be in the future, however).

There is no conversion to atheism. Atheism is not a belief system, its not a group. Its just a person who accepts reality.

I too had a similar situation but probably your education was what made you wake up one day and say "lol wtp is god".

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1...i_21020057

I read it in other articles but I don't feel like searching for it now.


and the highest death penalty in a state is common knowlodge to most Americans.

I'm eager to see your sources on the matter.

The matter of fact is many atheists claim they have unimaginable proof that God does not exit/ God is evil/ He killed my cat and the such.

Yet I have never seen a shred of evidence to support them.

So do tell. Where do people rape in the name of God?

Murder yes. But the people murdered were often evil tyrants.



I'll never understand why Atheists are so hostile towards Christians.
In fact many Atheists seem ONLY hostile towards Christians even when other religions are far far worse.

Look at Satanists. The average Atheist will never comment on any Satanist practices, yet take time out of their daily lives to write long paragraphs about how God is evil and how all Christians are deluded sadist fools.

I am not an Atheist you plum. I am a Deist. We have hostility towards Christians because they DOMINATE AMERICAN SOCIETY. America is a theocracy based upon everything Christianity condones, NOT SATANISM. The sheer number of Christians is why there is hostility towards them; the power that this religion has is woefully large, while the number/power of Satanists are minuscule.

I am not an Atheist you plum. I am a Deist. We have hostility towards Christians because they DOMINATE AMERICAN SOCIETY. America is a theocracy based upon everything Christianity condones, NOT SATANISM. The sheer number of Christians is why there is hostility towards them; the power that this religion has is woefully large, while the number/power of Satanists are minuscule.

So what are the reasons you are so hostile against Christians? It's not like we pray to God when hurricanes appear (Well, I mean... durr, some of us do, but it's not like we stay in our houses and assume God will save us).

So what are the reasons you are so hostile against Christians? It's not like we pray to God when hurricanes appear (Well, I mean... durr, some of us do, but it's not like we stay in our houses and assume God will save us).

They impose their beliefs upon our society and there is nothing that non-Christians can do about it in America. One nation "under God", the sacredness of virginity/age of consent/abstinence only education, inability to have abortions, inability of people to become President unless they are a devout CHRISTIAN, I don't know. MILLIONS OF THINGS.