Adventurer Rings discussion

Aran have a base crit chance of 70%

I thought it was 60%...

I thought it was 60%...

Because you can always trust what nexon says for skill information.

I thought it was 60%...

Without combo it's 10% chance, every 10 combos increases the chance by 6% therefore leading it to 70%.

Are you an NL/BM/MM/Aran/Evan/Dual Blader?

 Yes

Use a Critical Ring

 No

Are you currently being buffed with Thorns and/or SE?

 Yes

Use a Critical Ring

 No

Are you a magician?

 Yes

Use a Magician's Ring

 No

Use a Cruel Ring

Assuming that the critical ring ACTUALLY works with the first 3 hits of Assassinate, lolShadowers should use the Critical ring (4tth hit of Assassinate has an inherent critical); just something you might change there.

I used the word 'assuming' above because SE still doesn't work with the first 3 hits of assassinate. Something tells me that the criticals still won't work even with these rings

Assuming that the critical ring ACTUALLY works with the first 3 hits of Assassinate, lolShadowers should use the Critical ring (4tth hit of Assassinate has an inherent critical); just something you might change there.

I used the word 'assuming' above because SE still doesn't work with the first 3 hits of assassinate. Something tells me that the criticals still won't work even with these rings

It's probably coded to ignore crits no matter what -- similar to Blizzard. My spoiler maze is still true no matter what, though.

Two questions:
- Are these rings Storageable?
- What's the final damage output? 100% + x% or 100% + 100% (crit effect) + x%?

The first one.

The damage shouldn't be at all worthy of consideration compared with the chance of activation then.

The damage shouldn't be at all worthy of consideration compared with the chance of activation then.

Hence my spoiler maze. The rings are worthless on their own, but when combined with another crit ability, they become pretty broken.

You know for heroes and paladins, it's better to keep your lilin ring if you solo.

Theory:

1) Make a noob character before the event
2) leave it until event starts
3) since the character already has existed, level it 30 times vs. 50
4) profit?

Theory:

1) Make a noob character before the event
2) leave it until event starts
3) since the character already has existed, level it 30 times vs. 50
4) profit?

If I remember correctly, you must start at level 51 or above for the 30 times thing to count.

nvm this post

If I remember correctly, you must start at level 51 or above for the 30 times thing to count.

what if we already have a character that is less than 51 but not quite beginner (say 39)

Classes that have innate crit (NL, BM, MM, Aran, Evan) or any class with SE/Thorns cast on them will want the Crit ring because it's much stronger, no contest. Otherwise, Cruel ring for physical classes and Magical ring for magical classes. Buccs are open for debate, since they could benefit from any of the 3 rings in a weird way, but everyone else has an obvious, possibly situational choice (Crit ring).

Is the gap in power a big difference with classes without criticals using a Cruel ring vs. a Critical ring with SE? If the difference in power is not that big, then I would just stick with a Cruel ring for solo purposes.

Is the gap in power a big difference with classes without criticals using a Cruel ring vs. a Critical ring with SE? If the difference in power is not that big, then I would just stick with a Cruel ring for solo purposes.

I don't know how you'd have SE when you're asking about solo purposes, but I'll just assume you have an SE mule. The difference is mostly DPS, and the extra 10% chance of critical massively improves that if you have SE. The difference is pretty big when you're soloing (with SE), but many would argue that for classes that don't hit very often, such as Heroes and Paladins, the consistency of the Cruel/Lilin's Ring would be preferred over the inconsistency of a 15% vs 25% chance of crit. I would counter that, since those classes spend most of their time mobbing, killing one monster ahead of schedule means you can attack the next monster in the group that much sooner. So I still sand behind my spoilers, even in various training circumstances.

I don't know how you'd have SE when you're asking about solo purposes, but I'll just assume you have an SE mule. The difference is mostly DPS, and the extra 10% chance of critical massively improves that if you have SE. The difference is pretty big when you're soloing (with SE), but many would argue that for classes that don't hit very often, such as Heroes and Paladins, the consistency of the Cruel/Lilin's Ring would be preferred over the inconsistency of a 15% vs 25% chance of crit. I would counter that, since those classes spend most of their time mobbing, killing one monster ahead of schedule means you can attack the next monster in the group that much sooner. So I still sand behind my spoilers, even in various training circumstances.

My bad for not making it clear. I meant getting a Cruel ring for training without SE. I train without SE and boss with SE on a regular basis and I wanted to know which one will be the most beneficial ring to use in the long run.

My bad for not making it clear. I meant getting a Cruel ring for training without SE. I train without SE and boss with SE on a regular basis and I wanted to know which one will be the most beneficial ring to use in the long run.

Lilin's ring is an acceptable substitute for the Cruel Ring. In fact... Lilin's Ring is better than the Cruel ring in the one situation that I said the Cruel Ring was the ring to choose. Even if you don't have access to Lilin's Ring, the Crit ring still gives some attack and would be only slightly less helpful when you don't have SE/Thorns, and much more helpful when you do.

So lets try this again:

Are you an NL/BM/MM/Aran/Evan/Dual Blader?

 Yes

Use a Critical Ring

 No

Are you currently being buffed with Thorns and/or SE?

 Yes

Use a Critical Ring

 No

Are you a magician?

 Yes

Use a Magician's Ring

 No

Use Lilin's Ring

It's probably coded to ignore crits no matter what -- similar to Blizzard. My spoiler maze is still true no matter what, though.

Are you an NL/BM/MM/Aran/Evan/Dual Blader?

 Yes

Use a Critical Ring

 No

Are you currently being buffed with Thorns and/or SE?

 Yes

Use a Critical Ring

 No

Are you a magician?

 Yes

Use a Magician's Ring

 No

Use a Cruel Ring

No > No > No = Cruel. This does not apply for Shadowers, as I had said (they should use Critical). It actually doesn't matter if the critical works on the first 3 hits or not, the critical ring is still better.

Of course, if they don't use the 4th hit on Assassinate then you would be right, but that IS the strongest DPS output for Shadowers (and Assassinate will be used more post-balance patch).

No > No > No = Cruel. This does not apply for Shadowers.

Nor Buccaneers, I think.