[1.2.278] Even moar skill balancing

Great, but we are talking about GMS, and that still doesn't fix the fact that with all these new equips that add hella damage, and high att potions like apples and demon elixer, that 199k is less and less significant, especially at higher lvls. Basically the skill is getting phased out.

How would changing Snipe to be % based fix this? It still couldn't do over 200k damage unless they removed the damage cap. I would like for them to remove it, by the way, I just don't see it happening.

Looks nice. I can't wait to see them in the real servers.


On the Marksman topic : Ok, fine. I get it. You GMS Marksman can't handle NOT BEING THE ULTIMATE BEST IN EVERYTHING, so I'm just going to quit talking about this here and now.

WHO CARES ABOUT BEST, DECENT IS ENOUGH. god.....


alex why dont you share your dps with thse people since you are my lv and just a tiny bit better equiped than me?

How would changing Snipe to be % based fix this? It still couldn't do over 200k damage unless they removed the damage cap. I would like for them to remove it, by the way, I just don't see it happening.

Couldn't they make an exception for Snipe like they do with Pierce?

WHO CARES ABOUT BEST, DECENT IS ENOUGH. god.....


alex why dont you share your dps with thse people since you are my lv and just a tiny bit better equiped than me?

You don't think having the best mobbing skills in the game is decent? You don't think having the fourth highest single target DPS in the game is decent? Try having one of the worst sets of mobbing skills in the game and the single lowest single target DPS of comparable classes. Then you'll see that the class you were complaining about not being good enough is way beyond what is needed already.

You don't think having the best mobbing skills in the game is decent? You don't think having the fourth highest single target DPS in the game is decent? Try having one of the worst sets of mobbing skills in the game and the single lowest single target DPS of comparable classes. Then you'll see that the class you were complaining about not being good enough is way beyond what is needed already.

i have a 145 bucc i know how crappy they are, and 4th is in your head.

1. corsairs
2 BM
3. NL
4. Pallys
5. Hero
6. Shadower
[SIZE="7"]7 MM[/SIZE]
8. buccs
9. mages
10. is there more?

i dont ask for faster pierce, i think its fine as is, i dont ask for longer blizzard or stronger FP i am good with that, i want a BETTER SINGLE TARGET SKILL.

and fyi pierce is damn good but in no aspects the best. it has very crappy vertical range and only hits 6 monsters, so arans win on that too.

edit: where do arans go in dps? before or after heroes?

i have a 145 bucc i know how crappy they are, and 4th is in your head.

1. corsairs
2 BM
3. NL
4. Pallys
5. Hero
6. Shadower
7 MM
8. buccs
9. mages
10. is there more?

i dont ask for faster pierce, i think its fine as is, i dont ask for longer blizzard or stronger FP i am good with that, i want a BETTER SINGLE TARGET SKILL.

and fyi pierce is damn good but in no aspects the best. it has very crappy vertical range and only hits 6 monsters, so arans win on that too.

Arans have no comparison to Adventurers.


Yeah... Marksmen having the 4th highest DPS in the game is ALL in my head only... I guess this chart is imaginary too...

If you want a super zomfgbbqsawceduirlghWIAEhfldfjizzinmypants type of single target skill, go with a different class that has one...

[SIZE="7"]8. buccs[/SIZE]

Number 8..

Arans have no comparison to Adventurers.


Yeah... Marksmen having the 4th highest DPS in the game is ALL in my head only... I guess this chart is imaginary too...

If you want a super zomfgbbqsawceduirlghWIAEhfldfjizzinmypants type of single target skill, go with a different class that has one...

I believe he was using the recent updates.

Lol @ NLs being #3 in that list.

Arans have no comparison to Adventurers.


Yeah... Marksmen having the 4th highest DPS in the game is ALL in my head only... I guess this chart is imaginary too...

If you want a super zomfgbbqsawceduirlghWIAEhfldfjizzinmypants type of single target skill, go with a different class that has one...

i just want avg not bottom of the food chain (lol buccs) and yes i was using the current updates as is.

if you want to live in dream land go follow a bunny with a clock btw.

Lol @ NLs being #3 in that list.

again this is about BOSSING, that means stuff like SE and even perhaps apples are taken into account.

Bah...it's so hard to tell the exact relative difference in damage formula from that Paladin video...at the end, when he kept switching between thunder, fire, and ice...which were dual charges and which weren't? >_<

i just want avg not bottom of the food chain (lol buccs) and yes i was using the current updates as is.

if you want to live in dream land go follow a bunny with a clock btw.

For one... Heroes shouldn't be above Marksmen. They weren't changed AT ALL there. Marksmen still do higher DPS than Heroes. Secondly, the changes are still coming. Just wait... Also, Marksmen still do a higher DPS than Shadowers... Shadowers still suck compared to most classes on single targets.

i think beating a dead horse is well boring so lets leave it at we dont agree. just gonna say that if people that PLAY marksmen say its crap i rather say it IS crap. so far 3/3 marksmen that posted here agree. well that i remember there might be others that like the updates. oh and the MM in my BL think its crap too.

jezz i wonder why?

i have a 145 bucc i know how crappy they are, and 4th is in your head.

1. corsairs
2 BM
3. NL
4. Pallys
5. Hero
6. Shadower
7 .MM
8. buccs
9. mages
10. is there more?

i dont ask for faster pierce, i think its fine as is, i dont ask for longer blizzard or stronger FP i am good with that, i want a BETTER SINGLE TARGET SKILL.

and fyi pierce is damn good but in no aspects the best. it has very crappy vertical range and only hits 6 monsters, so arans win on that too.

edit: where do arans go in dps? before or after heroes?

where is drk?

Um wow they basically made ILs the new lolFPs. Seems really unfair to me, ILs basically have nothing on FPs except for being able to freeze now. >_>;

where is drk?

sorry my bad, i guess that makes marksmen 8th

oh i was feeling douchy so i went and looked what marksmen have said so far in this thread. well those i can tell are MM.

i am not surprised btw.

lol at the useless changes for MM...

They better make some decent changes next update.

Crossbowman
- Iron Arrow - Damage increased to 200% from 180%

this ok i guess

Sniper
- Strafe - Can now instant kill with a 3% probability to mobs under Blizzard's effect

this is BS, give me 120% arrows damn it

Marksman
- Snipe - Cooldown time reduced slightly in the lower levels. Level 1's cooldown time reduced from 240 to 235

lol wat?

this is the worst upgrade so far, i ma just quit and make a corsair....

so the strafe thing for snipers only works with blizzard and not frostprey? MEH updates for marksmen and i was thinking about regearing mine too.

Marksmen are good but they aren't nearly as good as you make them out to be.

Do you have a MM in JMS? because despite the fact that the skill description says 5 seconds, the way cooldowns are done server sided means that there's actually a DELAY when the skill SHOULD be done cooling down, but it hasn't. This makes Snipe have anywhere between 5~10 second cooldown, about 7 seconds being average.

For one... Heroes shouldn't be above Marksmen. They weren't changed AT ALL there. Marksmen still do higher DPS than Heroes. Secondly, the changes are still coming. Just wait... Also, Marksmen still do a higher DPS than Shadowers... Shadowers still suck compared to most classes on single targets.

wow MM > heroes? now u lost it o.O

Um wow they basically made ILs the new lolFPs. Seems really unfair to me, ILs basically have nothing on FPs except for being able to freeze now. >_>;

Even then, FPs have a better freezing ability than ILs. x3

Stop comparing paper numbers to actual numbers. Snipe is usually a 10 seconds cooldown. I posted an explanation of how this works on the snipe thread over in the archer forum. and even though we now have 4 second snipe, in practice it is impossible to pull off a 5 second snipe consistently while still strafing, the most I've managed so far is 4 in a row, and that's with stopping strage right before the cooldown is over to shoow within the 1 second interval. The way the cooldowns work now, even with a 1 second cooldown, we'd be only able to fire a snipe every 5 seconds.

and yes, these changes don't make a difference for us MMs.

Okay, fine. Your class, which I view as one of the best classes in MapleStory, are complete s'hit and are completely UNPLAYABLE! They're the single worst class in the game and they may as well be deleted from the game entirely! Hell, let's delete EVERYTHING and have the single best class at everything be the only thing left so that no one has anything to complain about anymore! Oh wait! People are going to complain that THAT class has horrible stats and skills and they'll want MORE for that class! Let's all just call ShiKage a dumbfck for bringing math into the thread and move on to griping at Nexon that everything in the game isn't one hit killable at every single level! The game should be so easy, even someone who begins the game can just press one key and beat the game!

Okay, fine. Your class, which I view as one of the best classes in MapleStory, are complete s'hit and are completely UNPLAYABLE! They're the single worst class in the game and they may as well be deleted from the game entirely! Hell, let's delete EVERYTHING and have the single best class at everything be the only thing left so that no one has anything to complain about anymore! Oh wait! People are going to complain that THAT class has horrible stats and skills and they'll want MORE for that class! Let's all just call ShiKage a dumbfck for bringing math into the thread and move on to griping at Nexon that everything in the game isn't one hit killable at every single level! The game should be so easy, even someone who begins the game can just press one key and beat the game!

you are free to think what you want, dont get your panties in a bunch here lover boy.