Ask a Bowman Thread.

Honestly se provides the most raw damage, the difference in the amount of crits and the damage crits do is a pretty big difference at the stopping points of se. It also helps knockbacking bosses such as pap earlier, and will give the overall more damage over (x)bow advanced mastery.

Whys everyone still suggesting max SE so fast? Its only useful to get you into boss runs. I got SE to a long enough buff time and started on other things, seems more useful to go for raw damage over buffed damage.

A while ago I used some program a guy in SW made to plot out the SP distribution that maximizes DPS with Hurricane. As you can see, SE is a pretty low priority until you get the other two to 21, then it's distributed somewhat evenly. I would have left SE at 1 for as long as possible if I could, but level 1 SE isn't usable. I settled on 7.

 And here it is

Level: Hurricane, SE, Bow Expertise, Maple Hero

120: 1,0,1 1 Dragon Pulse
121: 1,3,1
122: 1,6,1
123: 3,7,1
124: 6,7,1
125: 9,7,1
126: 12,7,1
127: 15,7,1
128: 18,7,1
129: 21,7,1
130: 21,7,4
131: 21,7,7
132: 21,7,10
133: 21,7,13
134: 21,7,16
135: 21,7,19
136: 21,8,21
137: 21,11,21
138: 21,14,21
139: 21,17,21
140: 21,20,21
141: 21,21,23
142: 21,21,26
143: 21,24,26
144: 21,27,26
145: 21,29,27
146: 21,29,27,3
147: 21,29,27,6
148: 21,29,27,9
149: 21,29,27,12
150: 21,29,27,15
151: 21,29,27,18
152: 23,29,27,19
153: 26,29,27,19
154: 29,30,27,19
155: 30,30,27,19 2 extra points
156: 30,30,30,19

People mostly get SE to 29 early because they think they'll be needed for SE at some point for bossing or training with an NL or whatever. You really shouldn't max it early if you train with a non-crit-based class, though I know some who have.

Can anyone tell me approximately how much HP you would have at level 100 unwashed?

Can anyone tell me approximately how much HP you would have at level 100 unwashed?

Around 2600 is normal, plus the 3rd job Medal is +100 and I think the Deputy Star is +100 as well.

Around 2600 is normal, plus the 3rd job Medal is +100 and I think the Deputy Star is +100 as well.

The 3rd job medal is 150 HP/MP.

I'm currently a lv110 STR-less ranger using a 96atk/2dex Kandiva. I made a 117atk/3dex dragon shiner. My current range with the Kandiva is 2582. I ran some numbers and my range came out to be 2726 with the shiner. Should I slowly start converting to low-STR and use the shiner? The Kandiva is a fast speed bow and when I tried one a normal speed bow, it was noticeable slower. But I heard hurricane will make bow speeds insignificant? Is it worth it converting?

I'm currently a lv110 STR-less ranger using a 96atk/2dex Kandiva. I made a 117atk/3dex dragon shiner. My current range with the Kandiva is 2582. I ran some numbers and my range came out to be 2726 with the shiner. Should I slowly start converting to low-STR and use the shiner? The Kandiva is a fast speed bow and when I tried one a normal speed bow, it was noticeable slower. But I heard hurricane will make bow speeds insignificant? Is it worth it converting?

Its definately worth converting since strless loses out in the end anyways and you already have a shiner ready. Also, like you said, hurricane's speed isn't affected by other speed boosts such as booster and the bow speed.

The great thing about going low str or str less and then converting to medium/low/whatever str, is you can easily plan out what equips you want as str. Usually its best as low str, with enough str for a 115+ weapon thats lvl 100 to 120.

As nice as hurricane is, there's this delay when you stop it and I'm having a lot of trouble adjusting to it. When I train, I tend to stop firing and begin typing really soon because I want to finish writing before the next newtie spawns. This works with strafe but not so well with hurricane since I often begin pressing the letters before the animation ends and it registers that I pressed enter or the chat keys and I end up opening a bunch of windows and even getting on my mount. That's annoying but what's really bothering me is that I pot the same way and so I often have to stop again after I restart my shooting because the pot didn't register, or I would have to pause and wait to make sure the pot really worked. This is still tolerable during training but while I was fighting Latanica, by the time I realized the pot didn't work and stopped hurricane, he killed me before the delay ended. I'm wondering if there's any tricks or tips to help me adjust to it faster so I can freely use my main attack skill at bosses without worry, or do I just have to suck it up and get used to it?

Around 2600 is normal, plus the 3rd job Medal is +100 and I think the Deputy Star is +100 as well.

Thanks, I didn't keep track of my washing, trying to see if I should wash any points back. I think I started at 70 or a bit before.
I'm on JMS so no deputy medal, I'm doing a 1 HP 4 Dex build with caped str at 65. I'm at 3231 HP @ level 98 so pretty good and I have points to either wash back or throw into HP.

Stupid fishing medal has no HP!~And 3rd job medal..

As nice as hurricane is, there's this delay when you stop it and I'm having a lot of trouble adjusting to it. When I train, I tend to stop firing and begin typing really soon because I want to finish writing before the next newtie spawns. This works with strafe but not so well with hurricane since I often begin pressing the letters before the animation ends and it registers that I pressed enter or the chat keys and I end up opening a bunch of windows and even getting on my mount. That's annoying but what's really bothering me is that I pot the same way and so I often have to stop again after I restart my shooting because the pot didn't register, or I would have to pause and wait to make sure the pot really worked. This is still tolerable during training but while I was fighting Latanica, by the time I realized the pot didn't work and stopped hurricane, he killed me before the delay ended. I'm wondering if there's any tricks or tips to help me adjust to it faster so I can freely use my main attack skill at bosses without worry, or do I just have to suck it up and get used to it?

Hawk or Puppet?
Get a pet?
Or just get use to hurricane's timing.

Does booster speed up the start/end animations? I seem to recall that being said somewhere o_o
Otherwise i think you're just experiencing lag cause mine ends pretty on pointafter you let off the button.

there have been many talk of snipe with a bow i was seriously confused to hear this i just wanna know if this is possible??? I also would like to know i should covert to low str from strless i have a 101 nishida hammered and i have bought a 108 6 slots unhammerd dragon xbow what should i do a good note is the Hp really helps my bossing oo and im lvl 113

Honestly se provides the most raw damage, the difference in the amount of crits and the damage crits do is a pretty big difference at the stopping points of se. It also helps knockbacking bosses such as pap earlier, and will give the overall more damage over (x)bow advanced mastery.

comgratulations on the most uninformed post of 2010.

Friend said Wind Archer's Storm Break got a speed nerf like the DW skill from 3rd job. WHAT DID NEXON DO TO MAH STORM BREAK? D:<

Is this a good Marksman build for training solo?

120 1 FP 2 pierce
121 3 pierce
122 3 pierce
123 3 pierce ( now pierce hit 5 target)
124 2 pierce 1 DP
125 3 pierce
126 3 pierce
127 3 pierce( now 6 =)
128 1 marksman boost 2 Sharp eyes
129 3 sharp eyes
130 3 sharp eyes
131-133 max pierce
133- 143 max marksman boost +1 sharp eye
143-146 sharp eye to 20 and 1 snipe
146 -156 max snipe 1 se
156-159 max se

get some SE first. the first point in it boosts your crit damage a lot. Also, it's generally recommended to get boost before pierce, with the high base, the more mastery the better.

I know what u mean, but adding points to Pierce give more damage when u are mobbing than mastery, and SE doesnt benefit pierce like it does in other faster/multy atacks skills!

i'd get some SE sooner. at least to like 9 or something. SE does wonders for your other attacks like strafe (mostly it's just for the timer, but if you can afford higher go higher ) You could also do the one point of boost earlier just cause it 5% Up your mastery =P

looking for opinions on what to upgrade. went back to my marksman and i'm trying to regear it. equips are:

29 dex helm unhammered
1 str 2 dex glasses unhammered
14 dex earrings hammered
nose doesn't need upgrading
12 atk mon
7 atk 2 dex pac hammered
6 atk belt unhammered
15 atk scg hammered
8 str 25 dex reverse overall unhammered
3 atk fs unhammered
3 dex 127 atk reverse black beauty unhammered

i think that's it. unless i buy some nx, i should have around ~800m or so to upgrade things. any ideas on what would be the best bang for my buck?