Regarding bans

Ironically, I think that if you never said "I'm going to get infracted for this" you probably wouldn't have gotten infracted for it. I remember some people were discussing this in IRC and they came to the same conclusion.

Which is silly. I don't want to get away with things that I shouldn't and EVERY SINGLE TIME I knowingly do something wrong I contact a moderator and tell them so they are aware and can deal with it appropriately. A two-point infraction is far from appropriate and such heavy-handed moderating only causes resentment and leaves me afraid to post, and would do much worse to less vocal members.

I just served 10 days, I know it's really difficult. 10 days is kind of excessive for someone who's just accumulated points, especially since points last THREE MONTHS. Which, in thinking about it, is also excessive. No one is going to be an angel for three months when they've got 5 - 6 points, and those of us with a penchant for speaking our minds are getting screwed for a quarter of the year, and that's unfair. It's a forum, for god's sake.

I'd like to go ahead and make two points:

1. I have never been banned.
2. The reason I have never been banned is that I am more conservative with my posting when my points are high.

I feel that the system is not excessive in any manner.
And anyone who ventures the funhouse knows I push and push for my pleasure.
Its a game of give and take.

I fail to see why people put so much emphasis on criticizing the infraction and ban system. After all, you shouldn't get infractions or bans at all. I really don't know how can you even get infracted so much, and this is not directed towards anyone.

I'd like to go ahead and make two points:

1. I have never been banned.
2. The reason I have never been banned is that I am more conservative with my posting when my points are high.

I feel that the system is not excessive in any manner.
And anyone who ventures the funhouse knows I push and push for my pleasure.
Its a game of give and take.

Actually what Chompy says is what should really happen.

Truth be told, it is harder to:

Accumulate infractions and get banned

vs

Post a picture of pornographic-nature

...and get banned. Think about that, for a moment. Actually, even for a joker like myself, I find it really hard to get infractions. I've gotten mostly warnings, and some infractions during posting here. Only time I got banned was for that one picture.

BombsAway - why can't you argue more often like you did just now? You called no one an idiot, broke no rules, and still got your point across. I don't think doing this is too much to ask of any member. Following these rules is very simple. Be mindful of what you say to other members and you should be just fine.

I'd agree with you regarding the two points if the rules stated that points are doled out based upon the moderators feelings on what it should be rated, but even that I think is unfair. Everyone on this site receives two points for a flaming infraction or nothing for a warning. It's been like this since day one (or at least, since it was changed to 2 points last year, and that was done with a public notice). How is this heavy-handed at all? It's the same infraction for all people. Read the rules and then you won't be in the same situation you were in ten days ago where you had "to walk on eggshells". If you don't want to be banned, don't push the issue.

Being "a little mean" is not against the rules, and neither is "being aggressive". You can do both and still stay within the confines of the rules. Calling other members idiots or dumbasses (not saying you are, just a hypothetical member), even if all evidence points to it, has no point or relevance in any conversation. Ev-er.

I do take everyone's point of view when deciding things for the forum constantly. I took the forum's opinion on Flugzeug before I did it. I asked users what they thought about moderation in a Democracy poll and amped it up accordingly. I took user's input when creating the Marketplace, and I have even asked users about the possible creation of new boards (boss board, call to action). I asked people what should be done about the Angry Dome. I ask users for their opinions pretty consistently, so I find it surprising that you think everyone's opinions get overlooked.

One last thing, if you run to the police every time you did something wrong, how do you think that would affect your life? If you report yourself for a violation and get marked for it, where's the sense in complaining about that?

Truth be told, it is harder to:

Accumulate infractions and get banned

vs

Post a picture of pornographic-nature

...and get banned. Think about that, for a moment. Actually, even for a joker like myself, I find it really hard to get infractions. I've gotten mostly warnings, and some infractions during posting here. Only time I got banned was for that one picture.

Imma go ahead and agree.
Pornography should be 2 points under banning.
Repeated usage and obvious abuse of pornography should be a BAN ON SIGHT.

By abuse I mean mults and etc.

Never mind, Fiel got my point across quite nicely.

That being said, I've always been a fan of the GFAQs system where moderations aside from warnings, and bans really don't do much to you.

Imma go ahead and agree.
Pornography should be 2 points under banning.
Repeated usage and obvious abuse of pornography should be a BAN ON SIGHT.

By abuse I mean mults and etc.

This is a MapleStory forum Chompy. Porn shouldn't even be present here.

This is a MapleStory forum Chompy. Porn shouldn't even be present here.

We ride a fine edge on the funhouse.
Also explicit wording would fall under that category.

In my world this is in infinitely grey issue.

Note if one posts an image from http://www.bigcockspineappleingthings.com.com then yes.
But lets take Takashi Murakami's My lonesome cowboy.
I posted an image but due to the rules immediately changed it to a link.
But its an art piece on par with ancient Greek works so...
Where is the line.

Link to image.
EDITED:

Southperotica is the line.

This is a MapleStory forum Chompy. Porn shouldn't even be present here.

Your point is? I've been a mod in a general-gaming related forum in which the entire purpose of the forum is for gaming, and gaming only. I've witness pictures of pornographic nature being posted. Though I completely understand your point, it doesn't mean there will be a complete absence of porn. Same goes for trolling. It'll always be there if the user chooses to create it. The correct way to handle this is to find the proper and respective punishment for those violations. First offense, they get this. On 2nd offense, perma-ban, ex.

Your point is? I've been a mod in a general-gaming related forum in which the entire purpose of the forum is for gaming, and gaming only. I've witness pictures of pornographic nature being posted. Though I completely understand your point, it doesn't mean there will be a complete absence of porn. Same goes for trolling. It'll always be there if the user chooses to create it. The correct way to handle this is to find the proper and respective punishment for those violations. First offense, they get this. On 2nd offense, perma-ban, ex.

You're acting as though the R&R didn't exist. We DO have proper punishements for it, namely Autoban for porn and 2 infraction points for trolling. Just because something happens to be in a place doesn't mean it belongs nor does it make it appropriate for posting.

Your point is? I've been a mod in a general-gaming related forum in which the entire purpose of the forum is for gaming, and gaming only. I've witness pictures of pornographic nature being posted. Though I completely understand your point, it doesn't mean there will be a complete absence of porn. Same goes for trolling. It'll always be there if the user chooses to create it. The correct way to handle this is to find the proper and respective punishment for those violations. First offense, they get this. On 2nd offense, perma-ban, ex.

That suggestive images or text is okay, porn, like we all acknowledge it, is not. There's no grey zone there.

That suggestive images or text is okay, porn, like we all acknowledge it, is not. There's no grey zone there.

There is no grey zone on what is pornographic?
I, and thousands of others, would strongly strongly disagree.

If you think you might be crossing the line with what is pornography, you have already crossed it. It's better to not post and be safe.

If you think you might be crossing the line with what is pornography, you have already crossed it. It's better to not post and be safe.

I have done that I and still adhere to that.
The link that was chinchilled was originally an image I spoiler posted then edited to a link.

Because I like SP.

We shouldn't be stretching our freedoms guys.
A forum's structure isn't a democracy Admins just want it to seem that way.

And on the topic of porn being allowed... There must something wrong with people to think that it is even slightly acceptable. If you want to look at porn, go to a porn website.

And also. It's ILLEGAL to show porn to anyone under 21/18 (forgot) without a warning.
I don't think we need a "Enter If you are above 21" button on our homepage as a warning.
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I honestly think the Warning System is flawed. I think it should be stricter on the topic of people being allowed to make another account.

It's not very hard to avoid warnings and infractions. I myself have NEVER gotten one due to simple self-constraint.

I think it's 18, unless it's different in different parts of the world

And yeah, wow. I don't get how people could accidentally post porn. Just make it a ban

Rules shouldn't be set in stone, that's a really gross and abusive way to run a community. Everything should be based on circumstances, rules should be a guideline; a reference, not a sentence.

I disagree with this, Sarah. Punishments are set in stone for your protection. They ensure that everyone is treated equally for doing the same things. Your punishment for a crime should never be based on the subjectivity of the person addressing the crime. You attacked someone I don't like, you only get 1 point. You attacked someone I like, here's 5 points. That is an abusive way to run the community. They're specifically hard coded based on the severity of their social impact (ie: how many strikes you get for each offense, flaming you get 3, 4th is gone). This removes the moderators from having to weigh the severity of your crime and makes them responsible only for determining if one has occurred, reducing variation.

For punishments to be truly fair they need to handed out consistently and enforced equally.