Attack Speed Reference

There is no way Double Swing is that fast.

Well, actually, the swing comes out pretty fast, but the actual speed of the attack ends up taking about the same amount of time as a normal hit. I don't think these numbers are very conclusive.

Update:
Hmmm Normal Polearm Attack at Normal Speed (6) is 750ms, with the 13/16 booster thingy, it would drop to 610ms, while the attack reference says 630ms.

Something wrong here? :o

Attack speeds can only be multiples of 30ms.

Attack speeds can only be multiples of 30ms.

So it rounds up to the higher (maple always rounds up) -possible- 30ms "ticker" coming from the speed from the Normal(6) speed?

750 Normal (6)
720
690
660
630 Actual Faster (3) speed of polearm normal attack
- 610 Faster (3) Round up to /\
600

Hmmm ic ic

doubleSwing 420 342
420
390
360 - 342 > Round up to 360
330

tripleSwing 660 537
660
630
600
570
540 - 537 > Round up to 540
510

finalBlow 810 659
810
780
750
720
690
660 - 659 > Round up to 660
630

Results in a combo of (with booster):
Normal Attack: 630ms
Double Swing: 360ms
Triple Swing: 540ms
Combo: 1530ms

Final Blow: 660ms
Combo + Finisher: 2190ms

Is this correct then?

Chances are the code looks something like this:

Code:

#include <stdio.h>

#define MAX_BOOSTER 16
#define IS_DOUBLE_STAB 0
#define NORMAL_SPEED 6


int main()
{
    int boosterLevel;
    int weaponSpeed;
    int calcSpeed;
    int delay;
    int numerator;
    int denominator;
    int trueDelay;

    //Set up
    boosterLevel = -2;
    weaponSpeed = 15;
    delay = 4000;

    //Calculate actual weapon speed
    calcSpeed = boosterLevel + weaponSpeed;
    if(IS_DOUBLE_STAB == 1)
        calcSpeed -= 2;
    if(calcSpeed < 2)
        calcSpeed = 2;
    calcSpeed = NORMAL_SPEED - calcSpeed;

    //Calculate the reduction in delay
    numerator = MAX_BOOSTER - calcSpeed;
    denominator = MAX_BOOSTER;
    trueDelay = (numerator * delay) / denominator;
    trueDelay = (trueDelay / 30) * 30;

    printf("True delay amount: %d\n", trueDelay);

    return 0;
}

This means, logically, that the most one can gain from attack speed (without booster) is 75% of the delay of the Normal(6) skill. So 6000 would go to 4500, and 300 would go to 225.

So... using this system.

Delay of 6000; No booster
15 weapon speed = 9360
14 = 9000
13 = 8610
12 = 8250
11 = 7860
10 = 7500
9 = 7110
8 = 6750
7 = 6360
6 = 6000
5 = 5610
4 = 5250
3 = 4860
2 = 4500

I noticed random increases of 30ms while holding down the attack button. There seems to be no specific trigger. It happens with all skills listed (with the only exception of Hurricane thus far) and across all weapon speeds.

this means that holding your skill button speeds up your attacks by 30ms right? So that means aran have a dissadvantage here? Does the 30ms increase also work for faster2 capped attacks or not?

Or am i reading you wrong and does the 30ms increase only have to do with your meassuring?

this means that holding your skill button speeds up your attacks by 30ms right? So that means aran have a dissadvantage here? Does the 30ms increase also work for faster2 capped attacks or not?

Or am i reading you wrong and does the 30ms increase only have to do with your meassuring?

Considering the fact that if you press attack during the attack, the next skill works immediately, i don't think there's a disadvantage.

(ie. if you press attack while normal attacking, you double swing immediately)

understand that, however from what lazybui sais in that quote i understand that when holding a skill button to repeat a skill (spamming one atk) the attacks itself are 30ms faster then when you simply press a skill once

Using G keys on an Aran, I press the attack key three times in approximately a 3 ms interval.* Most of the time, the attack works fine. Sometimes it doesn't work if I lag or booster dies.

*The lowest interval my keys allow is 1 ms, I believe. If I don't put a delay, I assume it defaults to 1 ms.

Im glad aran skills work right but thats totally not my point. According to lazybui (unless im reading it wrong) the skills itself take 30ms less time when being used repeatedly/ when holding your attack button. Im using aran as an example because they dont use the Same attack over and over again but combine multiple attacks. Im not saying it doesnt work for aran but the topic writer does not indicate if it works with combinations of skills without time intervals.

I hope somebody can clarify what exacly those 30ms are and if they work for aran too.. Also im wondering of it works for faster 2 capped attacks

30 seconds more, not less. In other words, he's saying there's a variation - sometimes a skill takes 600ms, sometimes 630ms. Nothing about speeding up while holding down the button. He's always holding down the button for testing purposes.

Also, Fiel/whoever else cares, I believe there's an upper cap of 10 on calcSpeed. This from testing a speed-15 sword on a private server through wz editing, mind you.

I still think the 600/630ms thing is a problem with how these events are measured, and the actual time is in between, MS just sends packets on a 30ms schedule or something. For accurate measures of attack speed I'd stick with either a metronome or a stopwatch when possible. Cause rather than the 600ms (100 per minute Faster(2)) regular attacks, I always got around 102 in a minute. Which is something like 590ms. This thread is fine for relative speed measures though.

New Evan delays, according to Fiel's extraction update:

elementalReset	1920
killingWing	1440
magicRegistance	1920
darkFog	3060
blaze	1320
OnixBlessing	2160
magicBooster	1920
dragonIceBreathe	900
fireCircle	930
flameWheel	1800
magicShield	2160
Skill	360
Awakening	2040
dragonBreathe	990
soulStone	1680
prepare	2
ghostLettering	1620
magicmissile	810
lightingBolt	1200
recoveryAura	1800
slow	1800
magicFlare	1560
dragonThrust	1710
mapleHero	2250
Earthquake	1710
illusion	2010

 Compare

elementalReset	1920
killingWing	1920
magicRegistance	1920
darkFog	4080
blaze	1320
OnixBlessing	2160
magicBooster	1920
dragonIceBreathe	1200
fireCircle	930
magicShield	2160
Awakening	2040
Earthquake	2280
dragonBreathe	1320
slow	1800
ghostLettering	2160
magicmissile	810
lightingBolt	1200
recoveryAura	1800
soulStone	1680
magicFlare	1560
dragonThrust	1710
mapleHero	2250
flameWheel	2970
illusion	2430

Summed and tabulated. I'm assuming negative delays are positive, which I believe worked last time.

Aran:

combatStep	180
finalBlow	810
fullSwingDouble	420
comboTempest	3000
rollingSpin	840
tripleSwing	660
finalToss	420
overSwingTriple	660
comboSmash	1200
finalCharge	1080
fullSwingTriple	660
overSwingDouble	420
comboFenrir	1530
doubleSwing	420

Evan:

elementalReset	1920
killingWing	1920
magicRegistance	1920
darkFog	4080
blaze	1320
OnixBlessing	2160
magicBooster	1920
dragonIceBreathe	1200
fireCircle	930
magicShield	2160
Awakening	2040
Earthquake	2280
dragonBreathe	1320
slow	1800
ghostLettering	2160
magicmissile	810
lightingBolt	1200
recoveryAura	1800
soulStone	1680
magicFlare	1560
dragonThrust	1710
mapleHero	2250
flameWheel	2970
illusion	2430

Assuming nothing's out of the ordinary (admittedly a risky assumption), these are base or Normal(6) speeds, and if the difference between base and your speed is x, multiply the cast time by (16-x)/16.

So if Im using a Purple Snowboard ( Speed 5 ) + Booster (-3) = 2 (Fastest Speed)

Here are Normal 6 Speed right?
6 - 2 = 4

Final Blow : 810 * (16-4) / 16 = 607.5

Overswing Triple : 660 * (16-4) / 16 = 495

Overswing Double : 420 * (16-4) / 16 = 315

Too fast? Under 600MS.. A lil bit TOO fast..

I don't know. Character delays do tend to be unreliable... for example, they tell us nothing about Final Attack for adventurers.

For most "simple" animations, though, they work.

Ugh... Still so hard to figure out Aran's DPM.

Final Blow : 810 * (16-4) / 16 = 607.5

Overswing Triple : 660 * (16-4) / 16 = 495

Overswing Double : 420 * (16-4) / 16 = 315

For the overswing double, yes its that fast!
i done a video recording on overswing double, its approximately 267 ms.
The weapon i used was Purple Surf Board (Fast Speed)
I am not sure whether the Fast is Fast(5) or Fast(4)

Final Blow : 810 * (16-4) / 16 = 607.5

Overswing Triple : 660 * (16-4) / 16 = 495

Overswing Double : 420 * (16-4) / 16 = 315

For the overswing double, yes its that fast!
i done a video recording on overswing double, its approximately 267 ms.
The weapon i used was Purple Surf Board (Fast Speed)
I am not sure whether the Fast is Fast(5) or Fast(4)

Except that those numbers can't be right because everything in maple is done in intervals of 30ms.

Edit: Never mind.

Except that those numbers can't be right because everything in maple is done in intervals of 30ms.

The average woman bears 2.52 children.

The average woman bears 2.52 children.

That is not a comparable statistic. That one is taken of a census of all the women in the country/world. Obviously a woman can't bear .52 children (and have it count as a live birth), but there is certainly no such thing as a skill that takes 615ms. And a rounding error on all 3 skills (nevermind the different speeds, which would all be at least 30ms faster/slower) could make as much as a 45ms difference from what is true. Estimations are nice and in many ways useful, but this isn't the "Attack Speed Estimation" thread.