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Well I know for a fact I've been hit by 402x by a bomb before I got a pendant. I don't fish terribly often, but I do know the right side does at least 4.8, so I suggested 4.9. I'm not very sure on left side.

Well I know for a fact I've been hit by 402x by a bomb before I got a pendant. I don't fish terribly often, but I do know the right side does at least 4.8, so I suggested 4.9. I'm not very sure on left side.

I dont want to argue with you as I know you definitely know more than I do and I'll probably lose xD. However, Im curious, did it hit 4k on you with hp equips on to survive a solo or was it just normal equips? I pap with normal equips, meaning I'd have more wep def than if I had used hp gear (which is mostly made up of low level'd gear). I dont fish much either so I cant really back my claims up but those are the numbers I see and am regurgitating (sp?).

Someone come sort us out, lol.

I dont want to argue with you as I know you definitely know more than I do and I'll probably lose xD. However, Im curious, did it hit 4k on you with hp equips on to survive a solo or was it just normal equips? I pap with normal equips, meaning I'd have more wep def than if I had used hp gear (which is mostly made up of low level'd gear). I dont fish much either so I cant really back my claims up but those are the numbers I see and am regurgitating (sp?).

Someone come sort us out, lol.

I have never Papped (or Pianus'd) with any sort of HP gear. I'm absolutely sure that bombs can do slightly over 4k uncharged, too (without a pendant).

I think I was at around 80-90 successful Pap solos before I got my HT pendant. I never once saw a bomb do more than 3930-3950 to me. In fact, they usually did 3700-3800.

If you truly did get hit for 4k, I would have to say you are insanely unlucky or you really pissed that bomb off.

How long time takes it for Frostprey/Phoenix to attack? i.e. the time it takes for one attack, or the amount of attacks it makes per minute.

How long time takes it for Frostprey/Phoenix to attack? i.e. the time it takes for one attack, or the amount of attacks it makes per minute.

I just went on and timed it and it hit roughly 16 times in 1 minute. That being said, upon the start of my timer, it didnt attack right away (took roughly 2-3 seconds before the first attack) so I suppose an estimate would be 3.5ish seconds/attack?

If it matters, I did my "experiment" at bone fish, where I waited for one to power up physically, cast puppet, then stood beside it, letting phoenix attack it (killed it on the like 14th attack cause its level 1 and bone fish seem strong to fire, etc).

PS. The quote in your siggy is by G4 right? xD

I believe 3.5 seconds per attack is right, I remember hearing that elsewhere.

Sounds like something from Xplay =P

I just went on and timed it and it hit roughly 16 times in 1 minute. That being said, upon the start of my timer, it didnt attack right away (took roughly 2-3 seconds before the first attack) so I suppose an estimate would be 3.5ish seconds/attack?

If it matters, I did my "experiment" at bone fish, where I waited for one to power up physically, cast puppet, then stood beside it, letting phoenix attack it (killed it on the like 14th attack cause its level 1 and bone fish seem strong to fire, etc).

PS. The quote in your siggy is by G4 right? xD

ah, thanks. ^_^

And yeah, that's correct. G4 is a winner in how to explain common actions happening in MapleStory, or issues itself. Pray for him.

I'm level 98, and my skillbuild is the following:

30 Strafe
27 Arrow Rain
6 Puppet
5 Mortal Blow
16 Silver Hawk
1 Inferno

What should I work on next? I was thinking of either Hawk to 21 or puppet to something like 12 and back to Hawk. I think I have my mind set on leaving Inferno at 1, so I'll max everything else. Is MB or Thrust more useful earlier?

My clean speed is 103 and I train at Gobies/Himes in a party with no Priest most of the time.

I went for Thrust (got to level 10) before Mortal Blow (which I maxed). They were the last two skills I got, of course. I feel Mortal Blow is better to max last because it works better with Hurricane.

It depends on how much you use Puppet. If you find yourself using it frequently, I'd get it to 12 before working on Hawk. If you don't use it much, I'd focus on Hawk first.

Having hit 105, I strapped on my 70hp pirate hat and decided to go test out newties.

The Juniors seem fine. I also tested 5 seperate Nest golem touches and lived each time. Nest golem magic 1hko'ed me on the first hit, doing 2905. How far up does their damage go? The "where to train" sticky says 2700, but that's obviously wrong, or at least it assumes a zhelm

With the hat, I'm up to 2805 hp... I'm wondering how much more hp eq I need if I don't want to wait a minimum of another 6 levels. Then again, I guess I could just do like at sharks and not get hit by the magic...

Having hit 105, I strapped on my 70hp pirate hat and decided to go test out newties.

The Juniors seem fine. I also tested 5 seperate Nest golem touches and lived each time. Nest golem magic 1hko'ed me on the first hit, doing 2905. How far up does their damage go? The "where to train" sticky says 2700, but that's obviously wrong, or at least it assumes a zhelm

With the hat, I'm up to 2805 hp... I'm wondering how much more hp eq I need if I don't want to wait a minimum of another 6 levels. Then again, I guess I could just do like at sharks and not get hit by the magic...

I'm level 123 with around 3.2k HP with a Zhelm and they do 2915 max to me.

Having hit 105, I strapped on my 70hp pirate hat and decided to go test out newties.

The Juniors seem fine. I also tested 5 seperate Nest golem touches and lived each time. Nest golem magic 1hko'ed me on the first hit, doing 2905. How far up does their damage go? The "where to train" sticky says 2700, but that's obviously wrong, or at least it assumes a zhelm

With the hat, I'm up to 2805 hp... I'm wondering how much more hp eq I need if I don't want to wait a minimum of another 6 levels. Then again, I guess I could just do like at sharks and not get hit by the magic...

lol >_>, lemme go fix it. Im used to seeing 26xx-27xxish so I never knew it went that high on personal experience. Should I justt change the needed hp up to 3k?

I don't have enough HP to go test it out to get you a decent number.

Itay's saying 2915 with a zhelm. Judging by how a zhelm reduces black squid ink from 150ish to 1, 3075 or 3100 is probably a safer bet? Also, the 2.7ish is what I saw from touch damage. It's the magic that hurt me more. Of course, my sample size was quite small and I obviously have better wdef than mdef. They do have 70 more matk than mdef.

... and I just realized how far away I am from training there

I don't have enough HP to go test it out to get you a decent number.

Itay's saying 2915 with a zhelm. Judging by how a zhelm reduces black squid ink from 150ish to 1, 3075 or 3100 is probably a safer bet?

... and I just realized how far away I am from training there

See, those numbers seem really high. Leafre came out when I was 111 and I never had problems surviving it...You forgot to factor in that your hat has wep/mag def too so it probably wont be a 150 reduction.

*waits for other imput before changing it*

I purposely ignored that factor because the squids hit me for that much when I had my regular archer hat... but I agree that it is a ballpark estimation.

Either way, it's definitely more than 2700 and worth looking into I can go on another suicide run when I get home if ya want, but the walk is long and tedious since I'll die every hit.

Are you sure you're not mixing up their touch & magic? The matk is 70 points more than their touch, according to Fiel's data. I'm not sure how much raw damage that translates into... We also naturally have way less mdef than wdef.

I purposely ignored that factor because the squids hit me for that much when I had my regular archer hat... but I agree that it is a ballpark estimation.

Either way, it's definitely more than 2700 and worth looking into I can go on another suicide run when I get home if ya want, but the walk is long and tedious since I'll die every hit.

Are you sure you're not mixing up their touch & magic? The matk is 70 points more than their touch, according to Fiel's data. I'm not sure how much raw damage that translates into... We also naturally have way less mdef than wdef.

Nah, I'll go try later when I feel like getting on maple (and it gets too hot to practice piano).

With no armour on at all, I take hits up to 3050. With just my level 100 gear (I don't have a helm) I never take anything more than 3005.


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I have 3.5 k hp w/o zhelm.

I can personally tell you that golem newties do around 2.8-3k dmg on me. Just helping out jack.

Thanks for the answers, guys... Now I know that I'm over 200 hp short

I also retested it 3 times yesterday... 2948, 2918, 2895.