Ask a Bowman Thread.

I'm not sure if anyone still reads this thread, but can't hurt to ask, so here goes:
So I hated typhons on my marauder, it was too frustrating for me. I can't imagine it being less stressful on a character without the invincibility frames, like a sniper. If I really didn't want to deal with luring Typhons, would AE-first really be worth it without going there, or should I just go Stafe-first?

Personally, I can't see the use of doing AE first unless you planned on Typhon-ing ASAP. I did Strafe first, then AE, then Puppet. I trained at random spots until Typhons at 100-120... so by then my Strafe and AE were maxed or almost maxed. Strafe is going to be your main attack for the rest of your Sniper/MM life so I would suggest maxing it first unless you KNOW you will be training on something before lvl 85ish that would require strong AE.

Thanks a lot, helped me clear up some decisions. If I were to go strafe-first, would the training path be: Windraiders 70-80, Squids 80-90, Newts 90-120? And Goby/Typhons after 90/once I get to pumping AR.

I think typhons would be harder on a sniper than a ranger, mainly do to the fact that blizzard arrow (might have name wrong) will freeze them when you try to lure them. Maybe with lvl 1 it might not be bad, but it seems it would get annoying trying to lure like that.

I think typhons would be harder on a sniper than a ranger, mainly do to the fact that blizzard arrow (might have name wrong) will freeze them when you try to lure them. Maybe with lvl 1 it might not be bad, but it seems it would get annoying trying to lure like that.

Ummm... 1) you don't lure with Blizzard. It's a waste of effort. 2) Typhons are strong against ice so they wouldn't freeze even if you did Blizzard them. Snipers have Arrow Eruption which is basically the same attack as Arrow Rain except is has a different visual effect. Arrow Rain is blue and goes down, hence "Rain", and Arrow Eruption is pink and fires up from the ground, hence "Eruption". So Snipers are just as good as Rangers at Typhons, tyvm.

BoxTag: Yes, that would be a training path to follow. I suggest maxing Puppet semi-alongside of AE. The two skills complement each other's uses very well. AE is great for gathering a mob and Puppet keeps the mob in place while you kill it from one side. Also, Puppet will let you solo HH earlier if you find one in the Crossroads maps as you can Puppet it to that ledge and Strafe away at it from below as long as you mentally time your Puppet. It will take about 15 min around lvl 90-100 to solo though.

Oh, I didn't move to Newts until 120... so I guess just try it out and see if it's a good training spot for you earlier that 120.

Ummm... 1) you don't lure with Blizzard. It's a waste of effort.

I disagree with that, Blizzard is amazingly useful. It helps lure Typhons that are on the edge of your screen.

Ummm... 1) you don't lure with Blizzard. It's a waste of effort. 2) Typhons are strong against ice so they wouldn't freeze even if you did Blizzard them. Snipers have Arrow Eruption which is basically the same attack as Arrow Rain except is has a different visual effect. Arrow Rain is blue and goes down, hence "Rain", and Arrow Eruption is pink and fires up from the ground, hence "Eruption". So Snipers are just as good as Rangers at Typhons, tyvm.

a_@ No need to get persnickety, I only mentioned that i thought that it may be harder to gather the mobs. As a ranger, we used inferno for luring purposes, cause arrow bomb would stun some of them, making them fall. I didnt know that Blizzard didnt stun, so that would then make it a possible luring skill.

I disagree with that, Blizzard is amazingly useful. It helps lure Typhons that are on the edge of your screen.

I trained at Typhons when the good floor glitch was still there. So all I did was jump down and AE, floor glitch, set up Puppet, AE until dead. Going in and out of MTS brought me back to the top of the map and I'd mob down the other side of the map. I hated staying on that stupid little thorn because I found the mobs less controlled and Typhons tended to kick me off the map more. Maybe if I had trained there after the floor glitch was patched, I would've used Blizzard from the thorn... but I reached 120 right before the glitch was patched. So the way I trained at Typhons, Blizzard was basically pointless for me.

I trained at Typhons when the good floor glitch was still there. So all I did was jump down and AE, floor glitch, set up Puppet, AE until dead. Going in and out of MTS brought me back to the top of the map and I'd mob down the other side of the map. I hated staying on that stupid little thorn because I found the mobs less controlled and Typhons tended to kick me off the map more. Maybe if I had trained there after the floor glitch was patched, I would've used Blizzard from the thorn... but I reached 120 right before the glitch was patched. So the way I trained at Typhons, Blizzard was basically pointless for me.

I suppose that we have vastly different playing styles then. I also trained at Typhons when the floor glitch was still usable, yet, I still trained on the middle platform with the spikes. When I trained there, I used Arrow Eruption, Blizzard, Puppet, and Power Knock Back. Everything should be self explanatory, except for Power Knock Back, I used it for luring Typhons that were extremely close to me, if there were more than 6 Typhons around me.

Blizzard is an excellent luring skill for typhs, i just use blizz and AE there, and hell, 80% ofthe luring i do is done with blizzard, the vertical range it has + the horizontal range is just awesome, and since typhs are freeze resistant is just shoot and run to the middle plat.

I suppose that we have vastly different playing styles then. I also trained at Typhons when the floor glitch was still usable, yet, I still trained on the middle platform with the spikes. When I trained there, I used Arrow Eruption, Blizzard, Puppet, and Power Knock Back. Everything should be self explanatory, except for Power Knock Back, I used it for luring Typhons that were extremely close to me, if there were more than 6 Typhons around me.

I loved the floor glitch. It virtually eliminated my hp pot consumption while training there after maxed Puppet. The only thing that annoyed me was when someone came into my map and my Puppeted typhons would agro to them... so the ones that didn't get hit with my repeated AE spamming got away. I got from 104-120 on 20 days of 2x there... it was awesome. I miss the floor glitch. It made being stalked so much more fun, too.

Okay here's the deal.

I recently came across a nice, cheap, Neschere and decided to start my marksman up again (114/2 for 10M).

Here's the question, though.

After getting Crossbow Expert to level 18, should I....
A) Go find Crossbow Expert 30 and max it
B) Get Pierce to 21
C) Max Snipe

I'm leaning towards C. Snipe would seem more fun to me. But then if I start efficiently training again, I should get Pierce to 6 hit at least. What are your experiences with Snipe/Pierce. Do you use Pierce a pomegranateload? Or do you like snipe better?

Marksman is 134 btw.

Okay here's the deal.

I recently came across a nice, cheap, Neschere and decided to start my marksman up again (114/2 for 10M).

Here's the question, though.

After getting Crossbow Expert to level 18, should I....
A) Go find Crossbow Expert 30 and max it
B) Get Pierce to 21
C) Max Snipe

I'm leaning towards C. Snipe would seem more fun to me. But then if I start efficiently training again, I should get Pierce to 6 hit at least. What are your experiences with Snipe/Pierce. Do you use Pierce a pomegranateload? Or do you like snipe better?

Marksman is 134 btw.

Personally, when I'm training (at skeles) I use pierce a LOT. I haven't been training lately due to lack of bishops wanting to train with a marksman, so I boss instead. Maxed snipe is amazing for that, so it really depends on your preferences. It's also nice to 1hit a skele with snipe once in a while, too. I maxed crossbow expert first, then did pierce, then snipe. I think you'd get more use out of maxed pierce then snipe. But in the end, you use both equally.

Oh ya, smart choice on starting the marksman again :3

Oh ya, smart choice on starting the marksman again :3

Yeah. I missed him. :3 Just blew 120M or so getting a good Reverse Evernew made. Lmao. Now I have more motivation to train, other than to just level up myself! haha

I'll probably end up working on Pierce first. Skeles are good exp regardless on if I party or not.

I agree with Bryan. I *almost* went Snipe first but my MM friend convinced me to go Pierce first and it's helped immensely. I have it at 15 right now and have been working on Snipe on the side to help me with bossing. But yeah, I use it a buttload while training too and I'm really excited to max it.

So if you don't want to completely ignore snipe, maybe do 2 Pierce, 1 Snipe per lvl? You won't max Pierce as quickly but it'll improve your versatility because it will decrease your Snipe timer at the same time you are improving your mobbing skills with Pierce. Just a suggestion, though. I personally hate strict block building because I'm ADD and I get bored.

Btw, what lvl is your Pierce right now?

unless you get 90% of your exp from bosses dont do snipe first. get that pirce to 21 then go back to boost and get it to 27. then and only then max snipe and go back to pierce to max it at last. thats what i did and i never regreted it at all.

Btw, what lvl is your Pierce right now?

10 seconds each level doesn't seem like that much to me; I'd rather knock 3 points out at once and get the -30 seconds where I would notice a difference...

And my Pierce is still level 1.

I've got level 30 SE, 11 MM Boost, 1 Frostprey, 1 Pierce, 1 Dragon's Breath, 1 Snipe.

boost to 16, then pierce to 21. boost to 27 and then max snipe. thats what the cool kids do.

If you use Pierce to train with I'd max that before finishing boost/snipe. The extra damage from lv21-30 is very noticeable, well I found it so.

10 seconds each level doesn't seem like that much to me; I'd rather knock 3 points out at once and get the -30 seconds where I would notice a difference...

And my Pierce is still level 1.

Start looking for a Pierce 20 book immediately if you don't have one already. They're decently rare.

I'm not lying when I say it took me at least a month to find a working book. That includes having a husband who trained on skeles for 20+ lvls and only found Blind 20 in terms of MM skills. My first book which I found for quite cheaply failed. Spent the next month checking FM/advertising in my shop for the book, then started seeing someone else advertise for it too. I found a Pierce 20 a few days later for 150M. I shelled out the mesos for it because I was sick of looking for one and because I didn't want the other person to get it. Thankfully it passed... I would've cried if it failed. Oh, and then my MM friend tells me he found a book in 3 days which passed on the first try. That was a big .

The reason I'm working on Pierce and Snipe at the same time is that most of the time I'm training so I'm working on mostly Pierce. But I do boss with my alliance occasionally so having a slightly shorter Snipe timer helps make me feel more useful especially if I'm there to be an SE mule if they can't find a BM. I can notice the 50 second timer decrease in training, as well.

If you use Pierce to train with I'd max that before finishing boost/snipe. The extra damage from lv21-30 is very noticeable, well I found it so.

My MM friend said the same thing about lvl 21-30. I've already hit a max of 59k with lvl 15 Pierce. I can't wait to max it...