Str less vs Low str Slingers

Is there much of a difference id imagine that str less is weaker in the lower levels but low str would be better in higher levels, like sins. I started a slinger and don't know how high level i will get and am thinking of just adding dex and trying to get good scrolled maple guns. Is this a bad idea? How much of a difference is there between str less and low str? Does the difference really matter?

Other input would be nice as well.

The good thing about going STRless is that you can convert at higher levels without AP resets. The difference is just based on how much more weapon attack you can get out of a normal gun. It's hard to get a STRless gun over 90 attack, while a normal gun can break 100 pretty easily. I think overfunding lower levelled characters is a waste of money, though, since it'll eventually become obsolete, so instead of focusing on getting a very good Maple gun I'd just get a decent one and then convert when you get a good normal gun.

At what level would you consider the conversion necessary? And what equips should i use and scrolled for what? Should i use top and bottom or overall?

A big advantage to LESS vs. Normal low builds is as we get more common gear that boosts all stats you get free secondary stats.
As such I'd make my plans for Dragon weapons instead of reverse.
Because we WILL get better gear.
And you'll have to buy resets to stay cutting edge.

A big advantage to LESS vs. Normal low builds is as we get more common gear that boosts all stats you get free secondary stats.
As such I'd make my plans for Dragon weapons instead of reverse.
Because we WILL get better gear.
And you'll have to buy resets to stay cutting edge.

Hmm what? Are you saying you will use the dragon gear instead of reverse, because we will get better stuff later? If so, it makes no sense because;

A) The jump in stats between a reverse and a dragon weapon is greater than any other, so it would be dumb to not go the extra 10 secondary stats needed.

B) If they release better weapons later, you will need more secondary stats still.

Or are you saying we will get better common gear like pendants and crap that will boost our secondary stats? I'll agree that's likely, but to always be on top of things stat wise, imo resents are a must.

Statless gear NEVER gives better stats than class gear.

STR-less slingers took a hit when maker came out. Since you can't make maple weapons, everyone else can get an easy 3 more att, at least, on their gun before scrolling it. And with May still six months away, it could be a while before there's an abundance of maple guns to scroll again.

So an event comes out in may that lets us get maple stuff i haven't been playing that long. And how do we get each of the maple items are they all monster drops?

And what should i do in planning for gears I'm level 20 right now slowly leveling. I think top and bottom is better... Would a peacemaker be a good gun to try to scroll good? And should i try and just 60 my gear or use 30's?

So an event comes out in may that lets us get maple stuff i haven't been playing that long. And how do we get each of the maple items are they all monster drops?

And what should i do in planning for gears I'm level 20 right now slowly leveling. I think top and bottom is better... Would a peacemaker be a good gun to try to scroll good? And should i try and just 60 my gear or use 30's?

i personally think you should just keep your Str @ like Regular untill you hit like lvl 50 and are able to obtain your Zakum Helm then stop adding (for a bit) and see what you can obtain for a well scrolled gun. That gives you like 20 levels before you find out if you need to add Str or not. Also 50 -70base str would be a good base str from what ive seen in the pirate Damage range thread, and you can always add more str if needed. Plus if your rich then you can use Atk Capes and FS's n stuff like that which if your regular str and you dont need to worry about str for anything im currentally @ a base of 69 str and i find that its too much, im not a rich mapler when it comes to my gear. I got went out Makered myself some shoes for 9 str 3 dex, and bought a 8 str 3 atk Pac ages ago, my current total Str without MW is 120... and im currentally using a concerto. I can easily lose the 8 str on the cape and trade it in for an atk cape(which im in the process of) and trade my shoes in for anything resembling a 10 dex shoe or a facestomper. Which leaves with to much str also lol. I am alo working on betting my black belt(using +2 one atm) and imma probally grab some Aura rings(+1 to all) which is oing to give me a lot of str also.
It really depends on what you can track down gear wise, you want to be low str, but not so low that you cant wear a good gun if you find a deal. I would hate to have leik 100 Str and have bought my Dragonfire revolver and need to wait, so i personally woudl say shoot for 110 str no matter what just incase. So you dont need to worry about it later on cause its better to be too high than too low.

you need to be careful with scrolling guns. Say you got like 100M in cash u can spend. Your gonna be spending upwards of 10M per adv diamond, maybe a mill per items to make the initial gun, 30% scrolls (about 3-4M in bera) you use on it. These can be rather pickey scrolls too. When i was in my 5X-10X i tried scrolling some guns and exploded like 18 guns with only 4 30%'s working on the first slot and they all exploded on 2nd slot...it was sad. I'm not a big supporter of scrolling if you dont have the means to make it amazing (able to sit around and explode some guns for liek 2 weeks straight). Cause your going to end up just exploding like 18 guns and have nothing substantial to show for it at all. It is a much better idea to buy a pre-scrolled gun from what ive seen. Guns seem to be kinda low in their costings for well scrolled items, my NL friend has a claw with like 2 30%'s and 5 60%'s on it and the thing's worth like 2B where as i had purchased my 99/4 Dragon fire revolver(4 30% scrolls) for like 400M and my 103/5 Concerto (5 30%'s) for 725M. Even the lower guns i remember being low cost, i still see burning Hell'swith 2-3 30%'s and some 60's on them for less than what it looks like they should go for compaired to other classes weapons.

i personally think you should just keep your Str @ like Regular untill you hit like lvl 50 and are able to obtain your Zakum Helm then stop adding (for a bit) and see what you can obtain for a well scrolled gun. That gives you like 20 levels before you find out if you need to add Str or not. Also 50 -70base str would be a good base str from what ive seen in the pirate Damage range thread, and you can always add more str if needed. Plus if your rich then you can use Atk Capes and FS's n stuff like that which if your regular str and you dont need to worry about str for anything im currentally @ a base of 69 str and i find that its too much, im not a rich mapler when it comes to my gear. I got went out Makered myself some shoes for 9 str 3 dex, and bought a 8 str 3 atk Pac ages ago, my current total Str without MW is 120... and im currentally using a concerto. I can easily lose the 8 str on the cape and trade it in for an atk cape(which im in the process of) and trade my shoes in for anything resembling a 10 dex shoe or a facestomper. Which leaves with to much str also lol. I am alo working on betting my black belt(using +2 one atm) and imma probally grab some Aura rings(+1 to all) which is oing to give me a lot of str also.
It really depends on what you can track down gear wise, you want to be low str, but not so low that you cant wear a good gun if you find a deal. I would hate to have leik 100 Str and have bought my Dragonfire revolver and need to wait, so i personally woudl say shoot for 110 str no matter what just incase. So you dont need to worry about it later on cause its better to be too high than too low.

you need to be careful with scrolling guns. Say you got like 100M in cash u can spend. Your gonna be spending upwards of 10M per adv diamond, maybe a mill per items to make the initial gun, 30% scrolls (about 3-4M in bera) you use on it. These can be rather pickey scrolls too. When i was in my 5X-10X i tried scrolling some guns and exploded like 18 guns with only 4 30%'s working on the first slot and they all exploded on 2nd slot...it was sad. I'm not a big supporter of scrolling if you dont have the means to make it amazing (able to sit around and explode some guns for liek 2 weeks straight). Cause your going to end up just exploding like 18 guns and have nothing substantial to show for it at all. It is a much better idea to buy a pre-scrolled gun from what ive seen. Guns seem to be kinda low in their costings for well scrolled items, my NL friend has a claw with like 2 30%'s and 5 60%'s on it and the thing's worth like 2B where as i had purchased my 99/4 Dragon fire revolver(4 30% scrolls) for like 400M and my 103/5 Concerto (5 30%'s) for 725M. Even the lower guns i remember being low cost, i still see burning Hell'swith 2-3 30%'s and some 60's on them for less than what it looks like they should go for compaired to other classes weapons.

To summarize his post cus it's a lot:

Try to get 110 at least. Squeeze out as much str from equipment without sacrificing dex.

EG: Don't get a 25 str overall over a 25 dex.

A zhelm gives str naturally so you don't lose out with having it, as does a belt, altair earings and mon pendent. So, with 24 base str (you need 20 to advance to pirate if I remember) and with all equiips by level 100 (mon=dep star in stat attributes) You should have 15+5+2+5=27+24=52 str total, AND if you get a quest medal thats another 2, so a possible 54 (I used the black belt in the original equation).

So all and all with basic gear your best option is around 56 base dex which is still good.

To summarize his post cus it's a lot:

Try to get 110 at least. Squeeze out as much str from equipment without sacrificing dex.

EG: Don't get a 25 str overall over a 25 dex.

A zhelm gives str naturally so you don't lose out with having it, as does a belt, altair earings and mon pendent. So, with 24 base str (you need 20 to advance to pirate if I remember) and with all equiips by level 100 (mon=dep star in stat attributes) You should have 15+5+2+5=27+24=52 str total, AND if you get a quest medal thats another 2, so a possible 54 (I used the black belt in the original equation).

So all and all with basic gear your best option is around 56 base dex which is still good.

yes>.> lol to me it looks like 50-60 is a good base, leaves room for pure dex earings, atk capes and shoes and incase you dont wanna dojo for like a week straight ^_^

yes>.> lol to me it looks like 50-60 is a good base, leaves room for pure dex earings, atk capes and shoes and incase you dont wanna dojo for like a week straight ^_^

To do that you'd need er -7 so at least 65 base. (wihtout belt/altair earings)

STR-less slingers took a hit when maker came out. Since you can't make maple weapons, everyone else can get an easy 3 more att, at least, on their gun before scrolling it. And with May still six months away, it could be a while before there's an abundance of maple guns to scroll again.

Dam, what timezone are you in? It's 8months away here in Europe.

Low STR Gunslingers definitely wins over STRless Gunslingers in terms of damage. Being a STRless Gunslinger isn't a way to go, since weapon attack is more important than just DEX. Also, having more DEX for Gunslingers doesn't improve as much damage as LUK for thieves, INT for magicians, or STR for warriors and brawlers.

Unlike Maple Kandiva Bow or Maple Nishada, Maple Cannon Shooter doesn't improve attack speed, which takes away the advantage of being STRless. Also, Gunslingers need STR for better armors and stuff, unlike archers, even though weapon defense doesn't matter much.

STRless Gunslingers only scroll for DEX and use lower level guns, while low STR Gunslingers scroll both DEX and STR, but they use higher level guns. Being low STR doesn't only outdamage STRless in a long run, but wearing stat equipments such as Black Belt, Zakum Helmet, and Horntail Pendant can help low STR having the advantage of using higher level guns. You can cap at 20 base STR and buy enough STR equipments if you want to use the gun that you want at the end, as long as the attack is good enough.

Here are the STR equips that you can achieve:

BASE STAT - 20 STR
Maple Warrior - 2 STR
Quest Specialist Medal - 2 STR
Zakum Helmet - 15 STR
Glittering Altaire Earrings - 2 STR
Broken Glasses - 2 STR
Circle of Ancient Strength - 2 STR
Horntail Pendant - 52 STR (or 5 STR from Mark of Naricain)
Black Belt - 5

That leads to a total of 102 total STR (55 total with Mark of Naricain) without having to sacrifice DEX, in which you have enough STR Concerto, level 100 gun. However, if you want to use the best gun, Reverse Blindness (which is very expensive), you need 18 more total STR. With 50 STR overall and 24 STR Yellow Adventurer Cape (which can be sacrificed to DEX or Pink Adventurer Cape), you can have 176 total STR (131 total with Mark of Naricain) with all of those equipments, but you only need 120 total STR.

Zakum Helmet and Glittering Altair Earrings can't be scrolled for STR, in which you scroll for DEX instead. Gunslingers might use Stormcaster Gloves instead of their own class glove, and Pink Adventurer Cape and Facestompers must be using Chaos Scrolls for more attack, unless you want to scroll more STR on Yellow Adventurer Cape. That only leads to overall which is optional to scroll for STR, but it can sacrifice to DEX.

Currently, Horntail Pendant can't be scrolled with 52 STR, since the hammer glitch is rolled back, so you might want to use Mark of Naricain, in which you have 5 STR, 47 STR less than a fully egged Horntail Pendant. Mark of Naricain is much easier to get than Horntail Pendant, and it gives you more attack. Circle of Ancient Strength is expensive as hell, and it only adds 2 STR and 2 DEX. Level 20 Maple Warrior only adds 2 STR temporarily, so be aware that you have to max Maple Warrior or find a partner with maxed Maple Warrior if you want 2 more STR.

Having the total STR for the best gun isn't really necessary, but rather having the total STR for the gun that you want to use at the end, though using Maple Guns all the time is terribly weak for later levels. Getting all the STR equipments is not easy, but it's useful for using better guns. After you gathered enough STR from equipments, scroll the rest of your equipments for DEX and attack.

If there's something wrong with my post, criticisms are welcome. I hope this helps.