BloodWashing

Well,i was thinking of starting to bloodwash my 114 Outlaw,the reasons that made me think of doing that is because,20 or 30 dex won't make that difference,but like 400 hp would make an enormous difference on training.
Can't afford hp washing though,no money for ap resets at all.
Is this a good idea?

Well,my equips are most 100%ed,since i play in jms,i use takoyakis,which are 20 att(8 att bonus,since the other ones are 12 att).
Compared to the others,my damage isn't that low,it'll be better to have 30 less dex,than having 700 less hp.

Survivability > Damage. That's how I've always and will always look at it. You'll be the highest DPS class in the game, once you get to fourth job - a couple dex is NOT going to make a difference.

Yea,since pirates have a slightly high difference in hp/mp than archers and thieves,some dex wouldn't make that difference,since the skills have high percentages.
Same goes for archers,that can't survive a lot,due to no avoiding skills,such as FJ,etc,they'll get hit too much,specially bow ones,that can't stun or do something to immobilize the monster.
Like you said,Survivality is way better than doing more damage.

What the hell is 400 HP going to help you survive? You're going to die in 2 hits from Skeles no matter what. 2hkoing with Cannon is a much bigger priority. It's not just about damage whoring, you need the damage to train faster at your level. There's no point in bloodwashing until you need the HP to survive at certain places, i.e. getting to 3900 HP for Pap's bombs, etc.

With 10 levels of this,you get almost 1400 hp,that makes an enormous difference.
The question isn't that i want to survive on some monsters,its just because there are loads of other training spots,i can't start farming time pieces,because i have less than 4k hp for dodo,i'll need to have 3k to train at oblivion 2,but don't want to use a 2k hp pot while being with 500-1k hp after each hit.
The spots that have such wonderful drops require to have enough hp to survive at least one hit,but since we don't have potions that act like elixirs,i die constantly at qualm guardians due to their magic attack,having to use 2k hp pots,3.3k hp,and staying with only 200hp after each hit,i would die instantly if i didnt run away at every hit.
Instead of having a lot of more dex at 130,but dying with almost every hit,i prefer to have a bit more,and become able to use other kinds of potions without feeling bad with the hp that it heals.
Specially for iruvatas,which drops the most valuable scrolls,shield matk and atk 60%,you need to have 4k hp,but don't want to be with 200 or less hp after each hit.
And,with the bonus dex that i would lose if i wear hp equips,like most of people do,top,bottom,hat,earrings,it wouldnt make a lot of difference.

I say go for it. As soon as I start training my Marksman again, I'm going to blood build until I hit 140ish. I'm perfectly content with my damage, and I'd rather have more HP. I'm all for it since I'd rather have fun and go places people my level can't normally go. Who cares if my overall damage is slightly lower.

I say go for it. It's ultimately your choice though.

With 10 levels of this,you get almost 1400 hp,that makes an enormous difference.
The question isn't that i want to survive on some monsters,its just because there are loads of other training spots,i can't start farming time pieces,because i have less than 4k hp for dodo,i'll need to have 3k to train at oblivion 2,but don't want to use a 2k hp pot while being with 500-1k hp after each hit.
The spots that have such wonderful drops require to have enough hp to survive at least one hit,but since we don't have potions that act like elixirs,i die constantly at qualm guardians due to their magic attack,having to use 2k hp pots,3.3k hp,and staying with only 200hp after each hit,i would die instantly if i didnt run away at every hit.
Instead of having a lot of more dex at 130,but dying with almost every hit,i prefer to have a bit more,and become able to use other kinds of potions without feeling bad with the hp that it heals.
Specially for iruvatas,which drops the most valuable scrolls,shield matk and atk 60%,you need to have 4k hp,but don't want to be with 200 or less hp after each hit.
And,with the bonus dex that i would lose if i wear hp equips,like most of people do,top,bottom,hat,earrings,it wouldnt make a lot of difference.

Again, the problem with this logic is that damage does make a big difference at the levels we're talking about. My equips aren't amazing, but they're certainly not awful and I couldn't always 2hko Skeles without MW until ~140, and 3hkoing Oblivion Oracles is a huge deal because it gives you the ability to kill them faster than they can retaliate (no freezing required). You also need to 6hko them with Torpedo so you don't need to refreeze. You can't do this consistently until your buffed damage range is ~4600. Every level of AP you invest in AP means another level before you can deal the damage required to train there efficiently.

Even in versions that don't have 300 HP pendants, you'll have 39xx HP by low-mid 14x. That's enough to:

-train at Skeles
-train at Oblivion 2
-kill Pap
-kill Ergoth
-solo Left Pianus / kill Right Pianus with HB
-kill Zakum

Before 14x you don't even have a good level of Torpedo, good luck farming Time Pieces.

Getting the damage/skills necessary to train at the spots you want to is much more important than having a couple hundred more HP. I've got 44xx HP right now. Does that help me survive any better than I did when I had 4k HP? Not really. Not until I have the damage to 3hko Oblivion Chiefs am I planning to move up to Oblivion 4. I'm not worrying about my HP for that right now. And HT? I'm only 15x. Please.

tl;dr 100% 2hko Skeles, then add HP

I say go for it. As soon as I start training my Marksman again, I'm going to blood build until I hit 140ish. I'm perfectly content with my damage, and I'd rather have more HP. I'm all for it since I'd rather have fun and go places people my level can't normally go. Who cares if my overall damage is slightly lower.

I say go for it. It's ultimately your choice though.

I did the same thing. I guess I'm thinking more in a bowman (mostly Bowmaster) perspective, though - as I've never played a Corsair. Dusk makes very good points.

aslemn, if you think bossing is a big deal (I honestly love bossing, hence why I went blood build early-ish) then I think you should consider bloodwashing now. If you, however, want to train more effienctly - as Dusk has pointed out - then don't worry about it now, go with attack and DEX, and wait until you can 2HKO Skeles.

Either way, it's all up to you - all we can do is give you feesible advice.

Personally,i don't boss a lot at all.
I really don't care for damage,8hkoing newties,is just an awful damage for the others,but i really don't care.
The thing is,there,we have loads of different training spots,both maples have the same places,but there's a different order,i don't need torpedo to farm time pieces,i spend much more potions while hunting them in monsters,and its a lot more hard to drop them from mobs than from bosses.
My equips aren't scrolled enough to give a decent att amount,most 100%ed things,i don't really like to spend mesos on equips,prefer to make them by myself,the only 2 things that i spend my mesos are only potions and nx cash monthly.
HP is needed,really,i can't even kill mobs at regrets,because i keep getting hit by them,and,as i said,gms players use potions that go by percentage,we have to use other ones that go by a certain amount.
There are no 3k hp potions,so i have to use the 2k ones,which makes these training spots a lot deadly,with some more HP,i would be able to survive using only ONE potion per hit,not 2,that means a lot of money spent.
My damage is crappy enough,don't have to care about it,the only nx things that i buy are the 2x card and my pet,not any others,that mean,no ap resets or gachas for money farming.

I think you need to actually get to Corsair and try out your skills to see how much faster you can kill with Torpedo and how much faster/cheaper 3hko Oblivion monsters is than 4hkoing. If I don't kill an Oracle in 3 Cannons, I WILL get hit. If I freeze a mob of Oracles and they don't die in 6 Torpedos, I will have to refreeze again. Being able to efficiently handle maps is an advantage no amount of HP can offset. There's not any reason to blood if you're not even planning on bossing that much. Use Cheese if you can't double pot 3k damage. I use Ginger Ales and they heal me a little over 3.3k HP, which works just fine for me.

You need to be lv 155 for horntail right? soo that you dont loose dmg?

can anyone tell me how much ap an archer/hermit would loose if they want the hp for ht (4500? 4700?) with bloodwashing?

Try making EQs with Advanced Topaz which +30HP
Or getting a Sword Earrings that +30HP and +80MP

You don't really need the hp to train. You'll have the hp for skelegons once you can actually start training on them, and as a corsair, you shouldn't really be getting hit much at all when you train. Getting hp for bossing can wait, you're too low-leveled to go to places that actually require a lot of hp. Can't really solo pap without a pinning cannon for 2nd form, etc. Your ship will also take more damage from 1/1s.

I say go for it. As soon as I start training my Marksman again, I'm going to blood build until I hit 140ish. I'm perfectly content with my damage, and I'd rather have more HP. I'm all for it since I'd rather have fun and go places people my level can't normally go. Who cares if my overall damage is slightly lower.

I say go for it. It's ultimately your choice though.

What lvl is your Marksman? I ask because I just thought about blood building... but I'm lvl 137. Think it'd be worth it for me to blood build? If so, how many points do you think would be advisable to put into HP? And if I start MTSing for NX could I wash it all back later? Oh, my HP is 3793 atm.

I put 50 points into HP and haven't regretted it. I plan to take them back out when there is another ap reset sale, but my dmg is still pretty good as it is. With things like MoN's, Blessing of cygnus, and all of these other items they keep coming out with that have weapon attack it doesn't hurt you too much to put a bit into hp.

I know Targus wasn't out when you made this thread. But if you wanna Targus plan on having 8k hp with Hyperbody, which is somewhere around 5k clean.