Roll Back on HT pendents

Of course all other classes get a better benefit than Magicians. My only point was that our damage formulas are so inbalanced that finally we had something comparable to MoNs (even though, of course, such high stat HTP's are still better for other classes than Magicians), so of course those of us with the means took advantage of it.

Just for all of your information: yes, I figured it was a glitch. Yes, I still did it anyways. Why? Because Elemental Wands were useable by Bishops for months without word from Nexon as to whether or not that's how they were supposed to be. Gray area is that Nexon claimed they were "WaI," yet then a few months later fixes them to the same way they are around the world. How was I to know if that was going to be the case here? Perhaps Nexon wanted to do something different from other versions and allow their new item to work on something like the HTP. No one was to know for SURE that it was a glitch until their announcement with this week's SC. Please review technicalities before accusing me of things.

Secondly, why did I sell it immediately? Well obviously anyone would if they were in my case; what a great money-making opportunity! But it's more than that for me. The Maker market bottomed out because KoC hype obliterated any future it had on day one of the last patch. Already my stockpiles were barely selling, and thus I've been pretty broke for the past few weeks. My friend had upgraded my pendant with his extra eggs on day one, so I guess that was my lucky streak, but of course that ended later that night with me mistakenly deleting two of my best equips.

Fast forward to today. I just found out that the pendant that took my 6 months and dozens of HT runs to get to +1 2 slots unhammered was going to be rolled back, most likely deleted from my inventory with compensation amounting to nothing more than the possible 8.5k Maple Points and maybe, if I was so very lucky, a month long 2x card. Well that's just great, eh? 8.5k Maple Points for the 23k and 50m I spent on the pendant. A 2x card when I'm just about to hit 200. And the bottom line? No pendant, which means another 6+ months of trying to get a new one...unless I was able to sell it for the amount I needed to buy a new, +1, unhammered HT pendant.

So you sure as hell bet I went for it.

I really feel for others in my position, and am behind many on this thread 100% for the other group, those who weren't fazed by this glitch and just saw the whole thing as a money-making, "I-can-wear-pro-gear" incident. But there are those out there like myself who struggled and sacrificed to get where they were, just to lose it all because Nexon goofs up without notice?

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That's my defense. As I told Sarah, even murderers guilty beyond reasonable doubt are entitled to an attorney and a fair trial. While this is no where close to a murder investigation, I know many of you see me as guilty for certain things beyond reasonable doubt, as I would too if I was in your shoes. All I can do, however, is stand up for what I did, present my defense, and hope you're intelligent, mature, and open-minded enough to hear what I have to say. Thank you.

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To wrap up xD: Sarah had a great idea for a closing, "SORRY BUT I'M TRYING NOT TO LOSE MY HOUSE. THE ECONOMY IS TOUGH."

Pendant "abusers" are getting compensation because Nexon never stated you could NOT hammer a pendant and thus re-egg it. It is their fault. Tis better to state than to allow to assume.





But there are those out there like myself who struggled and sacrificed to get where they were

Yeah.....struggled and sacrificed just to end up trying to scam others. Real brave. You lost it all because you turned greedy. True, Nexon should have notified players that pendants shouldn't be hammered and scrolled, but buyer beware is just as important. Players that spent tons of NX on AP resets and worked with groups to hold the HT channel to limit anyone else who wanted to get eggs went for the greediest path deserve the gutting to their wallets and valuables. And for that you are punished. For that many laugh at you for not getting away with your greed. For that many will laugh at your pathetic attempt to justify your selfishness.

Let this be a lesson to the rest. Eventually justice will come knocking on your door and then knock you the **** out!

This is parallel to the Bishops who got owned for relying on elemental wands/staves. It doesn't pay to play the dumb card.

people who bought ap resets though... >____>

I would take the same stance on this as the elemental wand issue. As time goes on and the longer something that "might be a glitch" isn't fixed or announced upon, the more people want to believe they can safely do whatever they want.

So they knew there was risk, but did resets anyways. Same with people who bought a htpend for all of their chars.

For the last time HT pendants are only supposed to get ONE dragon stone. Period. There will never ever be a way to add more stones to them ever. That's like asking why the Deputy star has slots. "just in case" and it turns out that the just in case for HT pendants turned out to be Chaos scrolls.

other versions had or have had the other quests to scroll it past 1 dragon stone... no one knows what gms may or may not get

I would take the same stance on this as the elemental wand issue. As time goes on and the longer something that "might be a glitch" isn't fixed or announced upon, the more people want to believe they can safely do whatever they want.

So they knew there was risk, but did resets anyways. Same with people who bought a htpend for all of their chars.

some people spent 100+ dollars on resets since the HTP hit FM, it isnt really fair... this isnt like putting down 1b on a ele wand, your talking real money... they really should offer some type of compensation to them.

Oh pineappling pomegranate. NEXON did something right!

Quick, a doctor!

I think it's just funny that people are trying to sell them. Worst thing that could possibly happen will be that the 'scammers' will end up losing their compensation (as it will be given to those with the egged pendants) which is REALLY funny when you think about it. It's not a serious situation though, if Nexon had addressed it earlier then maybe we could condemn people for taking such seemingly silly actions but since we did, I guess I'm can empathize with their loss.

Truly too bad for anyone who lost a lot here, though.

[COLOR="Red"]I feel bad for the people that reset 30 dex/luk/str to match their new pendants. Whether they're abusers or not, that's a lot of money.

Hell is now colder than Antarctica.[/COLOR]

Salleem tried to offload his in Bellocan. I smega'd immediately afterwards about the reset. Much hilarity ensued.

other versions had or have had the other quests to scroll it past 1 dragon stone... no one knows what gms may or may not get



some people spent 100+ dollars on resets since the HTP hit FM, it isnt really fair... this isnt like putting down 1b on a ele wand, your talking real money... they really should offer some type of compensation to them.

For an extremely long time, HTPs only allow 1 egg. MYSTERIOUSLY, one patch comes along and people can put more than 1 egg on with a new item!? But Nexon didn't announce it, maybe it's just their bad communication skills, despite the fact they've been dealing with the big bugs for a little while now publicly. THE HORROR! I thought I was doing something fair...

...Give me a break. Horntail Pendants only allow one egg. If some item comes along going over that rule and Nexon doesn't say anything, isn't it fair enough to take a guess that SOMETHING is wrong here? Compensation is nice. But those who don't deserve it should truly be banned. That's how I feel.

some people spent 100+ dollars on resets since the HTP hit FM, it isnt really fair... this isnt like putting down 1b on a ele wand, your talking real money... they really should offer some type of compensation to them.

Don't worry, I understand. However, some people used the mts, and others may have bought mesos for exchanging for nx, etc. And the same example was with elemental wands, in that people spent hundreds searching for one for themselves. It's all the same risk.

Yeah, if someone can show reasonable reason, they should be compensated. It's really hard to tell, though, who deserves compensation for that. It's like the same people who thought that Nexon wanted to go a different way with elemental wands, but then fixing them, and then wondering if Nexon, the same company that just did what was described above, wanted to go a different direction with the htpends. People didn't learn from history.

However, if Nexon ever sat down in a large group and discussed things with each other, (Which it never seems like they do, showing a large lack of communication with each other, a folly of any company.) they'd realize the perfect compensation is to just give a stat reset to every person with a 52+ htpend. Though that will likely not happen, unfortunately.

It sounds like you or someone you know had this happen to them, and so I apologize if I sound rude, but that's just the way one has to see things in order to keep things fair for the entire mass.

And FroznLite, if the pendent you are equipped with is only egged once, you don't have to worry about losing it. Only pendents egged more than once will get the rollback. So the pendent you may be selling may reset, but not the one you're wearing. Also, they never said anything about deleting the pendents, just rolling them back and editing their stats. (If I remember what I read correctly.)

@ Zypke: Of course if that's the case this isn't a big deal. But like you said in terms of learning from history, none of us know exactly how the "compensation" will work out, or if they'll stay true to their word. They compensated and said they fixed Monster Books the first time the issue was raised, and yet the books were still glitched. Legally and technically speaking they lied about that, though under the table it's safe to assume they were most likely incompetent in the matter as they've been in the past. Then there's the issue of Elemental Wands. Were Bishops compensated with a new weapon when the patch all of a sudden fixed them? Not at all. Plenty of broke Bishops now lost 600m+ with Elemental Wands that were virtually worthless, and with really nothing to do.

So that's what many of us are currently doing: preparing for the unknown, as we've learned from Nexon's history. Ironic how things work out sometimes.

For an extremely long time, Elemental Wands did not negatively affect Bishops. MYSTERIOUSLY, one patch comes along and all of a sudden Bishops get a damage reduction!? But Nexon didn't announce it, maybe it's just their bad communication skills, despite the fact they've been dealing with the big bugs for a little while now publicly. THE HORROR! I thought I was doing something fair...

I just edited your post very easily to show you another case of their problems, in your own words. Should Bishops be rolled back the dozens of levels gained by being able to OHKO Skeles with an Elemental Wand instead of 2hkoing with a Maple Weapon? Or should they be banned?

I just edited your post very easily to show you another case of their problems, in your own words. Should Bishops be rolled back the dozens of levels gained by being able to OHKO Skeles with an Elemental Wand instead of 2hkoing with a Maple Weapon? Or should they be banned?

I have to agree that banning is a bit extreme for someone who just refused to believe that he might be doing something that was unintended. Their consequences are in that they can no longer do it, and lost their work and money put into it.

I just edited your post very easily to show you another case of their problems, in your own words. Should Bishops be rolled back the dozens of levels gained by being able to OHKO Skeles with an Elemental Wand instead of 2hkoing with a Maple Weapon? Or should they be banned?

Alright, I forgot all about that.

But I still think it was a bit more noticeable that these pendants were getting abused. I don't think many people should be banned, but there are some I guess I could feel bias toward. The users on Scania that are on Southperry love to complain, and it began to sound to me as if the pendants were being glitched on purpose WITH knowledge of the action being wrong for their own personal gain by certain users. I did seem to hit hard against all people who owned a +2 or +3 HT Pendant. But I do think those who did waste their money should get it back. I just think the intentional glitchers should get their money back and a little "sit in the corner" punishment.

Eh...

I have to agree that banning is a bit extreme for someone who just refused to believe that he might be doing something that was unintended. Their consequences are in that they can no longer do it, and lost their work and money put into it.

Well, while I agree that no one should be banned for this incident, that logic you've got there is very flawed. If someone didn't know drinking and driving was illegal but thought it probably wasn't a good idea and decided to do it anyway, they'd still be held accountable, regardless of how unaware they were. Ignorance isn't an excuse; especially when something is so obviously wrong. imo everyone who was defending this was fairly delusional and just kind of kidding themselves in hopes that it would end up in their favour.

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I'm amused that people are only hailing Nexon now, after them fixing a game breaking glitch that even the worst of game developers would've fixed. Maybe you guys shouldn't be swayed so easily on your opinions. Either like the company, or don't, and don't follow some stupid bandwagon.

That being said, I kinda expected this.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/v...he-Conduit

00:40 - 00:50 is exactly why everyone is so surprised and happy.


EDIT: #9995395 I CAN'T FUCKING SPELL.

other versions had or have had the other quests to scroll it past 1 dragon stone... no one knows what gms may or may not get

No, they didn't. Only in Test servers was this possible and they disable it because, lo and behold, it's gamebreaking. Any time that 52 stat pendant has been publicly available in another version it was due to a glitch. They're not supposed to go that high.

For an extremely long time, HTPs only allow 1 egg. MYSTERIOUSLY, one patch comes along and people can put more than 1 egg on with a new item!? But Nexon didn't announce it, maybe it's just their bad communication skills, despite the fact they've been dealing with the big bugs for a little while now publicly. THE HORROR! I thought I was doing something fair...

...Give me a break. Horntail Pendants only allow one egg. If some item comes along going over that rule and Nexon doesn't say anything, isn't it fair enough to take a guess that SOMETHING is wrong here? Compensation is nice. But those who don't deserve it should truly be banned. That's how I feel.

im not really upset about my pendant getting nerfed, im going back to where i was before... as long as they compensate (which we'll see how that works out). it is a bit sad though, given that for some weapon attackers a 11-12 attack mon was still better than a 52 stat ht pendant, some even were just using them for hp washing T___T. it did at least provided a equal boost for mages/bishops as far as pendants go... but moving on xD

why would nexon announce that they'll let you scroll to a +3 pedant via a pay item... i know many who initially did it (i was somewhat on the fence at first) had the opinion that it was something nexon did for profits sake, to be honest... i cant see an action like that being far out from what nexon WOULD do :x

i know though, myself included, that many wouldn't have touched the item if it wasn't known that 52 stat ht pendants were, at least at one time, a planned feature of the overall game. its not too odd to think nexon would add a way to let you scroll to 52 stats. most people i know who HT have been asking for months when the 2nd/3rd quest will or would come out to allow them to scroll another egg...

i even bought (as alot of others i know) the ap resets when they were so cheap with the idea that we may get the 2nd egg quest within the next 90 days... lol

as much as some will never agree, its the operators mistake. they should have remained in better communication with the community. if they had we wouldn't have near the problem we do now.

No, they didn't. Only in Test servers was this possible and they disable it because, lo and behold, it's gamebreaking. Any time that 52 stat pendant has been publicly available in another version it was due to a glitch. They're not supposed to go that high.

as i said, i dont know if the quest is still available but it was possible to get over a +1 pendant in CMS (you can find proof on CMS fan sites). many say it was once possible in JMS but i dont about that for sure, most forums seem to be all over the place about JMS without anyone able to provide real proof one way or another :x

Nexon actually cleaning up after they make a mess. I'm speechless. Now we need to move on to phase 2. Don't make the mess in the first place.

Hey now, don't push too hard. We wouldn't want a relapse so early in development.

Sucks to be the losers affected.

why? the only way i was affected was i got 15 extra INT for my lvl ups to wash with and am now getting compensation. how does that suck?

Salleem tried to offload his in Bellocan. I smega'd immediately afterwards about the reset. Much hilarity ensued.

[COLOR="Red"]What the pineapple? Salleem's in Bellocan now? :f6::f6::f6::f6::f6::f6:

Hop...hop...hop.

Some people didn't know about the reset or it being a glitch in the first place. I do feel bad for people that just saw it and jumped on it.[/COLOR]