Ask a Thief Thread.

Really...?

So.. I am too poor to go LowDEX.
And apparently, Dexless use LUK equips, therefore I do not have those?

A Normal Night Lord is still good?
(Curious, since I will be a Night Walker...)

"lul u 2 poor 4 lowdex."

That should do the trick. Lowdex is only worth it if you can go LOW dex. I'd sell all your equips and go normal dex, personally. The same applies to dexless if you want to do that since dex equips are useless to dexless anyway.

this person is deluded. any time you dont have enough dex to equip ur weapon and use equips to cover the gap, that is low dex. you are never too poor to be low dex, only too poor to be godly.

punch, normal dex is the only option i think is bad. the more base luk you have the more effective maple warrior is. ur lowdex start is ok, the best suggestions i can make are to buy a zhelm at 50, buy a better cape, and look for a dep star. a ~14 dex overall should also be really cheap.

Im thinking of starting some hp washing, and I guess there's a minimum amount of mp you can have? Whats the equation for sins min mp?

level * 14 + 148

Hi, I have played a Dexless Bandit to Level 50 once, in Yellonde...
And I found them extremely fun.

Would creating a Bandit now be smart, if I am already making a Night Walker when KoC come out?
I know they're different, but they are both thieves.

If you want to focus on your Cygnus, then no. Otherwise, I would say go ahead.

Yeah... honestly though, I'm pretty bored of MS.

I most likely won't even get to Level 70 in time...
I try and go on, but I'm like... uh, no. There's better things to do.

Ya know? =/

You shouldn't have to force yourself to play.

If you Max level Dark Sight while you're on Haste, do you get 100% speed or 140%?

if you max level dark sight while you're on haste, do you get 100% speed or 140%?

140%

I have inherited a friend's lvl 16x NL with roughly 5k HP and roughly 2.5k MP. I have 20 AP to allocate, adn 10 AP allocated in HP which can be reset into luk. About how much washing is this?

Around 30 points washed (40 spent in HP total), probably, assuming that's base hp/mp. MP looks like it's around the minimum allowed (2474) so you probably can't wash much more.

Around 30 points washed (40 spent in HP total), probably, assuming that's base hp/mp. MP looks like it's around the minimum allowed (2474) so you probably can't wash much more.

Thank you!

I want to wear a Reverse Lampion when it comes out. I have enough to wear a Craven right now. I currently do not have a cape or armor. Should I go for a top/bottom combo and get a high dex cape, or get a 30+ dex Blue Katinas and try to go for one of dem chaos scrolled PACs?

Current gear is 2 att 5 dex FS, 23 dex Zhelm, 22 dex HT pendant, 14 att bwg and 11 dex earring. I have a clean branch nose that I'll probably try to scroll to get some dex. 50 base dex, 19 MW, though that only gives 5 dex.

This is not a huge deal to me cause I don't plan to grind, or spend billions on equips, but the armor I do wnt to get.

I want to wear a Reverse Lampion when it comes out. I have enough to wear a Craven right now. I currently do not have a cape or armor. Should I go for a top/bottom combo and get a high dex cape, or get a 30+ dex Blue Katinas and try to go for one of dem chaos scrolled PACs?

Current gear is 2 att 5 dex FS, 23 dex Zhelm, 22 dex HT pendant, 14 att bwg and 11 dex earring. I have a clean branch nose that I'll probably try to scroll to get some dex. 50 base dex, 19 MW, though that only gives 5 dex.

This is not a huge deal to me cause I don't plan to grind, or spend billions on equips, but the armor I do wnt to get.

As soon as maker comes out, you can have a top/bottom combo with ~30 stats clean (pirate set) if you use 2 high grade luks and 2 high grade dex (1luk/1dex on top 1luk/1dex on bottom) crystals. I'd reccommend finding your way into making a very nice top/bottom set, scroll it, and then a nicely scrolled PAC.

What are the Maker jewels required to make a Dex-intensive top/bottom combo or overall with teh most dex gotten out of the clean equip? Thanks!

For the most usable dex:

Black/Red Pirate Bottom -> 3 luk 1 dex clean
Red Osfa Suit -> 5 luk 2 dex clean

1x High grade Dex Crystal = +5 dex
1x High grade Dark Crystal = -5 to +5 dex/luk

Perfect outcome:
Black/Red Pirate Bottom: 8 luk 11 dex
Red Osfa Suit: 10 luk 12 dex

Given the Osfa only requires 30 less dex than the Reverse weapons, you have to go for the Pirate bottom if you want to scroll it. +9 70% = 8 luk 29 dex. If you drop to level 70 bottom you only get 1 crystal slot, and the best outcome you can do is a 25 dex pants.

This outfit adds 18 luk, 41 dex, plus whatever other luk you put on the top (ideally, 36 luk 41 dex?). From 120 dex req. of the pants, that's 161 total. If you switch to the dex-based GreenPirate/BrownOsfa, you get an extra 5 dex to work with, meaning less emphasis on "perfect" dark crystals.


Overall is more limited, as they all require the same dex as the claws - if you use a level 100 overall, you get 2 crystal slots and can make it 17 dex 8 luk clean, w/ same dark/dex crystal pattern. Then luk-scroll it for perfect +12 60% outcome around 19 dex 30 luk, since you can only use 20 from the 140 req to get 160.

For the most usable dex:

Black/Red Pirate Bottom -> 3 luk 1 dex clean
Red Osfa Suit -> 5 luk 2 dex clean

1x High grade Dex Crystal = +5 dex
1x High grade Dark Crystal = -5 to +5 dex/luk

Perfect outcome:
Black/Red Pirate Bottom: 8 luk 11 dex
Red Osfa Suit: 10 luk 12 dex

Given the Osfa only requires 30 less dex than the Reverse weapons, you have to go for the Pirate bottom if you want to scroll it. +9 70% = 8 luk 29 dex. If you drop to level 70 bottom you only get 1 crystal slot, and the best outcome you can do is a 25 dex pants.

This outfit adds 18 luk, 41 dex, plus whatever other luk you put on the top (ideally, 36 luk 41 dex?). From 120 dex req. of the pants, that's 161 total. If you switch to the dex-based GreenPirate/BrownOsfa, you get an extra 5 dex to work with, meaning less emphasis on "perfect" dark crystals.


Overall is more limited, as they all require the same dex as the claws - if you use a level 100 overall, you get 2 crystal slots and can make it 17 dex 8 luk clean, w/ same dark/dex crystal pattern. Then luk-scroll it for perfect +12 60% outcome around 19 dex 30 luk, since you can only use 20 from the 140 req to get 160.

Actually, using the green pirate set, which has 3 dex bottom and 5 dex top would be better. You could get up to 13 dex on the bottom and 15 on the top for 28 dex clean. You would still use both an advanced dex crystal and advanced dark crystal.

Thanks guys!

Ok, so........ Newbie Shadower here : I've had a Chief Bandit in GMS before, but I decided to make a Shadower in JMS and I want to make it a STR dit.

What's a good place to cap my STR and DEX? I'm not that well-funded, so what's a good place to cap those? My aim for STR gear is to be able to wear a Dragon Khanjar. That's what? 75?