Vicious` Hammer

[COLOR="Red"]Oh my...I must track down that 28 att glove...wherever it is, and buy it before this comes out...B>White Scrolls.

I can see this widening the rift between rich maplers and poor even farther....[/COLOR]

The hammer, i believe, isn't in any other version, else we'd have heard about it on our wonderful forums =)

But i don't think i like this idea of 100% "clean slate+whitescroll", I'd much prefer that Nexon would have given us slots gach. At least then everyone would have to gamble for better stuff instead of paying outright for it.

Anything this godly usually screws the market to hell, but to which way it'll go, we won't know until it happens.

The hammer is GMS original, the idea is not GMS original, it's in other servers as well, but in a different form.

Vicious hammer, absolutely vicious in destroying the community....

but w/e. Good luck on GMS getting it. See how it goes.

If it does add slots, I can see Nexon making a excluding list for certain items... think about it.

Horntail Pendant + Dragon Stone, the Dragon Stone only looks for 3 slots, if it's not there, it won't allow to be scrolled. Now I'm not sure if it's looking for 3 slots exactly, or 3 or more slots in the pendant. Either way it would break it, it seems.

Mark of Narician has no slots naturally for a reason.

It would just make sense for Nexon to have an exclusion list for the hammer...
but like I said, it's way too early to tell. Patch posters always have vague statements about new content.

Hmmmm people don't forget the Vicious Hammers won't be cheap! I expect they will be 10k~20k NX each, so item prices will not really change a lot because of this...
20k nx is about 160m now, so +2 VH'ed items will be about 150m more expensive from base prices...

I smell SCG price explosion...

Oh and I personally don't see any reason why MoN's can't be VH'ed...
All that VH adds to an item is "tuc" +1 per Vicious Hammer usage in item data (tuc is 5 for most items, some items have tuc 7 and some have tuc 10 like a zak helm)... just like there are scrolls that can add "Spikes to shoes" & "Cape cold immune".

Hmmmm people don't forget the Vicious Hammers won't be cheap! I expect they will be 10k~20k NX each, so item prices will not really change a lot because of this...
20k nx is about 160m now, so +2 VH'ed items will be about 150m more expensive from base prices...

I smell SCG price explosion...

Oh and I personally don't see any reason why MoN's can't be VH'ed...
All that VH adds to an item is "tuc" +1 per Vicious Hammer usage in item data (tuc is 5 for most items, some items have tuc 7 and some have tuc 10 like a zak helm)... just like there are scrolls that can add "Spikes to shoes" & "Cape cold immune".

People also thought KS would be 10k+

13 att scg = say 700m [way overpriced in bello]
Say 30k nx for 2 hammers, at a 10:10 ratio, that's 300m

Right now, a 15 att scg is over 1b and a 17 att is over max mesos.

I expect they will be 10k~20k NX each, so item prices will not really change a lot because of this...
20k nx is about 160m now

yes.. 160m in meso, but $10-20 in cash, which isnt alot for people who spend alot on this game. and also not alot for hardcore merchants who already have loads of NX to spend in MTS.

like thetyphoon said , 160m or even 20k NX , those are nothing to ppl now . It will inflate for sure

I would think that VH would not work on everything. Letting it work on everything would create too many unexpected problems down the road.

A sensible restriction would be to have it only work on job-specific gear. This would actually promote usage of Maker. Common class gear and statless builds could be kept in check this way. It is already bad enough that iTCG items are in very limited supply since the iTCG is dying off.

I would think that VH would not work on everything. Letting it work on everything would create too many unexpected problems down the road.

A sensible restriction would be to have it only work on job-specific gear. This would actually promote usage of Maker. Common class gear and statless builds could be kept in check this way.

Would also encourage usage of class-gloves.

The inflation has already begun. Right before the information about this came out 60% Glove scrolls were about 6-8mil in Scania. Today I have already seen them rise to 9-10mil and the hammer isn't even out yet.

like thetyphoon said , 160m or even 20k NX , those are nothing to ppl now . It will inflate for sure

i barely reach 130mil and i was waiting for this inflation to end a bit so i could afford a 10 atk wg w/o killing my wallet

The inflation has already begun. Right before the information about this came out 60% Glove scrolls were about 6-8mil in Scania. Today I have already seen them rise to 9-10mil and the hammer isn't even out yet.

I snagged 2 for 6.5m (Bellocan) for my own usage and 2 from MTS 1.3k each.

Fun discussion!

My own side comment is regarding the actual NX price of the item. Personally, I don't think they'll be upwards of 10k NX per just by looking at another similar item in the CS already that allows you to do phenomenal things with extremely rare items: Scissors of Karma. Some similarities between the two include how each allows for an increase of more rare or powerful items in the FM/people's possession, each are one-time use items with limits (eg. 1 Scissors = 1 trade; more trades = more 3k costs, which add up quickly; for VH, it would be 6k per item. It's not too hard for some to obtain NX, but upwards of 30-42k NX, just to rescroll your equips? Plus the items don't ensure success, so spending 6k to watch 2 60s fail - which will happen to plenty of people, I assure you - will be a quick turn-off to items like this. And again, that's 30-42k NX just for your equipment set. You're doubling or tripling that if you play other characters, and adding infinite amounts if you want to scroll items for profit.).

Nutshell point: I think the VH's will be similarly priced to the Scissors of Karma (3-4kish, possibly up to 5k), but will be nowhere near as expensive as some people believe. With the safeguards and rules in place, Nexon will make a ton of money, but when you think of every possible outcome by using the items and the sheer price of NX it costs just to utilize them on all of your items to their full potential, it's not going to be anything OVERLY game-breaking. We still won't beat Pink Been with this item, and I'll tell you right now, the only thing it will do is make it harder to merchant scrolled equips. Hell, you can kiss goodbye to trying to scroll equips for profit if you're not willing to spend NX on them.

I think initially prices on everything will increase. But as more and more godlies appear, prices will drop on regular items.
E.g. 10 atts going up cause they now have potential to become 14att. But a lot of these are gonna fail (and assuming items can only be hammered twice) they stay at 10 att forever. This is where the price will possibly drop.
Its quite likely there will be a two teir price
10att - 5 slot glove = Higher price
10att - 7slot glove = Lower price

Hell, you can kiss goodbye to trying to scroll equips for profit if you're not willing to spend NX on them.

That honestly ended years ago, there are almost no items it is cheaper to scroll than to buy (exceptions are items it is impossible to buy). I used to make dex overalls and profit but nowadays items are barely worth half as much as their scroll successes would imply.

That honestly ended years ago, there are almost no items it is cheaper to scroll than to buy (exceptions are items it is impossible to buy). I used to make dex overalls and profit but nowadays items are barely worth half as much as their scroll successes would imply.

Well maker could have fixed that since you could make above average equips and then scroll them for profit. Now with the hammer I fear that not only will scrolling for profit be impossible, but buying the already pre-scrolled item will also be impossible.

Vicious' Hammer honestly doesn't bother me that much. If they happen to be relatively cheap, then I might consider adding some slots to my glove and to my weapon. If they most too much, then I just won't use it. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. I see why it could be a problem with certain items such as Mark of Naricain and Horntail Pendants, but they'll probably have some restrictions in place so things like that don't occur.

I think initially prices on everything will increase. But as more and more godlies appear, prices will drop on regular items.
E.g. 10 atts going up cause they now have potential to become 14att. But a lot of these are gonna fail (and assuming items can only be hammered twice) they stay at 10 att forever. This is where the price will possibly drop.
Its quite likely there will be a two teir price
10att - 5 slot glove = Higher price
10att - 7slot glove = Lower price

That brings up another question though: Is there a way of knowing which items have been hammered and which ones havent? Will it be like those Cape for Cold Protection/Snowspike for Shoes, where there is no indication if one has worked on it?

On another note, Harrison's +6 Purple Adventurer Cape can look legit now, lololol.

I don't see VH costing more than 8K NX, but that's just my opinion.

Why do you guys think that will cause in inflation? maybe now things are inflating because people are getting ready, but when it comes out it's supposed to actually LOWER prices.

Look. For example, some guy has a 13 att wg. Its worth 20 mesos. another guy has a 15 att wg. its worth 30 mesos. now the guy with the 13 att will upgrade his glove using this thing and make it 17 att. the guy with the 16 att will upgrade his glove using this thing and make it 19 att. Now imagine that ALL maple does that. Bam, deflation. It makes scrolling easier, not the scrolled items more expansive.

I don't see VH costing more than 8K NX, but that's just my opinion.

I thought item-locks would be cheaper and ks to be up there in price.

I don't know what to think anymore ._.