2009-07-18, 01:37 AM
(This post was last modified: 2009-07-18, 01:46 AM by IllegallySane.)
Ugh. It all started today when a person who rejoined Virtue yet again was just asking to let a friend of hers into the guild. The problem here is that there was barely room as it is, even though only about 15-20% of the people in the guild still play. The one JR on, Larry, said there wouldn't be room. This person asked if he can simply remove one of the guild leader's old characters, since he is no longer even playing Maplestory; he's busy with RL (also has a girlfriend), so he pretty much kissed Maple goodbye. She wanted him to just remove a level 20 archer that she helped level for the guild leader. He said that it was not possible for him to do so.
She asked again, but he still refused despite her stating that the guild leader already has about 10 characters in the guild that were all his, and that the guild leader didn't even really liked the idea of an archer. All of a sudden, she left the guild, and the JR explicitly stated with a somewhat bitter tone to never invite her back to Virtue. He clearly stated he sent her a PMS of whispers. The problem here is that I never saw her causing any guild drama. Maybe some noob questions here and there, or acts silly, but never anal things. She chat invited me afterwards to talk about it, since I was the only person back then to gift her a cheap NX set for her Chief Bandit; she was forever grateful for that.
I tried to show the JR's side of it, that leaving and being reinvited repeatedly can get tiresome for the JRs. I also stated that her behavior on suddenly leaving the guild because the JR denied her request seemed immature, but it suddenly hit me when I saw the JR's bitter tone and behavior that Virtue indeed lost it's luster ever since the guild leader pretty much left the game for RL. The guild has no alliance, and there are only a few people who still train. The rest either leech themselves up characters, or don't train anymore.
I don't know, there's only at best 4-6 people on on average. Even at most, it was about a dozen people on. People are just so inactive. Even I am more active, and I log on mainly for 2x. Hell, I'm the only one who still grinds at 4th job (144 and counting). The only reason I'm still in the guild is because of Sam (undeadbows) and Ming (m1n6), but even now Ming pretty much quit, and Sam is very inactive because there's no guild related thing to do with so little people (we can barely Zak as it is), and training is hard for him with RL stuff going on.
There was a suggestion about trying to get the guild leader to come back at least so to remake the guild, if not for the ability to join an alliance. I threw a suggestion that instead of an actual guild leader, it'd just be a figurehead and the real decision making would be a small council of trusted JRs that would all have access to the guild leader account. However, I am not sure if that can save Virtue.
Should I look for a back up guild? It's a very discouraging day in Maple to find out my guild is pretty much dead, yet I still try to cling onto the principle of guild loyalty when I know without an active guild I too will eventually lose the will to continue playing Maplestory. If so, I'm willing to be invited to any large guild. I always like having more people to talk to, and an alliance for help.
She asked again, but he still refused despite her stating that the guild leader already has about 10 characters in the guild that were all his, and that the guild leader didn't even really liked the idea of an archer. All of a sudden, she left the guild, and the JR explicitly stated with a somewhat bitter tone to never invite her back to Virtue. He clearly stated he sent her a PMS of whispers. The problem here is that I never saw her causing any guild drama. Maybe some noob questions here and there, or acts silly, but never anal things. She chat invited me afterwards to talk about it, since I was the only person back then to gift her a cheap NX set for her Chief Bandit; she was forever grateful for that.
I tried to show the JR's side of it, that leaving and being reinvited repeatedly can get tiresome for the JRs. I also stated that her behavior on suddenly leaving the guild because the JR denied her request seemed immature, but it suddenly hit me when I saw the JR's bitter tone and behavior that Virtue indeed lost it's luster ever since the guild leader pretty much left the game for RL. The guild has no alliance, and there are only a few people who still train. The rest either leech themselves up characters, or don't train anymore.
I don't know, there's only at best 4-6 people on on average. Even at most, it was about a dozen people on. People are just so inactive. Even I am more active, and I log on mainly for 2x. Hell, I'm the only one who still grinds at 4th job (144 and counting). The only reason I'm still in the guild is because of Sam (undeadbows) and Ming (m1n6), but even now Ming pretty much quit, and Sam is very inactive because there's no guild related thing to do with so little people (we can barely Zak as it is), and training is hard for him with RL stuff going on.
There was a suggestion about trying to get the guild leader to come back at least so to remake the guild, if not for the ability to join an alliance. I threw a suggestion that instead of an actual guild leader, it'd just be a figurehead and the real decision making would be a small council of trusted JRs that would all have access to the guild leader account. However, I am not sure if that can save Virtue.
Should I look for a back up guild? It's a very discouraging day in Maple to find out my guild is pretty much dead, yet I still try to cling onto the principle of guild loyalty when I know without an active guild I too will eventually lose the will to continue playing Maplestory. If so, I'm willing to be invited to any large guild. I always like having more people to talk to, and an alliance for help.
. Its a shame to hear these things about such old guilds having activity issues (i remember old buddies from virtue way back when i was training up my priest, and that couldnt have been earlier than summer of '07 
