The effects of Maker on the economy

Maker armor gives a 10-40 stat advantage to non-dexless/lukless players though, depending on level and how many pieces they can forge. For higher level gear, there's also an additional 90-120 hp available, which is useful too.

If I can forge 6 dex 8 luk clean pants, 10 dex 6 luk clean top, etc. then it's a lot better than anything a dexless could hope to wear.

And the closer it gets to being dexless with x claw, the better it is to be wearing that claw instead of a Skanda.

Nothing will happen. Everybody will subconsiously price refined ores at their pre-pre-patch price and people will be happy

Wishful thinking?

Nothing will happen. Everybody will subconsiously price refined ores at their pre-pre-patch price and people will be happy

Refined Crystals are already being priced at 1mil+ in Scania.

Refined Crystals are already being priced at 1mil+ in Scania.

Being at school means I'm disconnected from the maple market for weeks at a time

Just like the reverse of the chaos scrolls dropping price... I'll wager people are pre-empting (and overestimating) the inflation and so causing an inflation because of hype, with people buying them because they still think they'll inflate more...

After a while they should drop back. I wonder what people will do if we don't get maker next patch? Try to sustain the ridiculous prices or let them drop to midway between their old price and their estimated value...

Who knows

Being at school means I'm disconnected from the maple market for weeks at a time

Just like the reverse of the chaos scrolls dropping price... I'll wager people are pre-empting (and overestimating) the inflation and so causing an inflation because of hype, with people buying them because they still think they'll inflate more...

After a while they should drop back. I wonder what people will do if we don't get maker next patch? Try to sustain the ridiculous prices or let them drop to midway between their old price and their estimated value...

Who knows

Chaos scrolls are still dropping in Bellocan. O.o

Question: whatever happened to shutting the hell up about insider trading like this? Seriously, if you understood the power of Maker on a MapleStory version's economy before this last week, why the hell would you post something like this thread or another I saw recently? You're only making it that much harder to make money off this for everyone who has tried to keep it on the DL. Those who do their research and pre-stockpiling effort should be rewarded for it, not lose all of that effort because people spill the beans early.

You may say "oh, well not everyone reads these forums, especially Southperry." Yea, but those who can afford high grade crystals do, so thanks for killing those markets already.

Oye. Tell your closest friends and that's all. Let word of mouth help people figure it out for themselves. Considering Isaac's Maker thread has been up for MONTHS, I'm quite surprised people even need threads like these. All of the answers are there, have been there; it just takes a little common sense and inferring skills to put two and two together about how much the Maker skill changes a market. Seriously people.

You're only making it that much harder to make money off this for everyone who has tried to keep it on the DL.

Good.

FrozN

This site was founded on the principles of sharing information based on Maplestory. Had I wanted to, I could have kept alllllll of this information to myself and instead use it to make mesos for just me. Instead, I wish I share it with the world. What's the difference between what I've done in this topic and what I do everyday? Isn't knowledge about what's coming out, such as maker, and knowing what to buy to get the best profits the same thing? No one should even have this foreknowledge, but everyone does now.

After all, it's a damn shame that as many people know about Maker as they do. Perhaps it was wrong for Isaac to make his Maker thread because that, too, can be considered insider information on the mechanics of how Maker works. Perhaps I shouldn't post the mechanics of how Pink Bean works, or any other part of Maplestory since that too is insider information that not many people can acquire for themselves. Or maybe I shouldn't have posted information on the rates for acquiring each type of ore, crystal, and dark crystal as that too is insider information.

Perhaps you should rethink your position.

FrozN

This site was founded on the principles of sharing information based on Maplestory. Had I wanted to, I could have kept alllllll of this information to myself and instead use it to make mesos for just me. Instead, I wish I share it with the world. What's the difference between what I've done in this topic and what I do everyday? Isn't knowledge about what's coming out, such as maker, and knowing what to buy to get the best profits the same thing? No one should even have this foreknowledge, but everyone does now.

After all, it's a damn shame that as many people know about Maker as they do. Perhaps it was wrong for Isaac to make his Maker thread because that, too, can be considered insider information on the mechanics of how Maker works. Perhaps I shouldn't post the mechanics of how Pink Bean works, or any other part of Maplestory since that too is insider information that not many people can acquire for themselves. Or maybe I shouldn't have posted information on the rates for acquiring each type of ore, crystal, and dark crystal as that too is insider information.

Perhaps you should rethink your position.

I'm definitely aware of my position, though I may have phrased my intentions poorly in my previous post, and for that I apologize. All I mean to voice are my frustrations over the lack of reading for knowledge, reading to LEARN that exists on not just SP sometimes but many others as well. Threads and guides do not exist to give someone the answers; literature in and of itself does not exist for that reason as well. People read to learn, to expose themselves to new thoughts, ideas, and beliefs, and then to use that new knowledge to learn about some issue, time period, etc., or to help formulate their own opinions on some matter.

I completely agree with the founding principle of this forum, as I believe that is the founding principle of any website, blog, or location that attaches to itself the term "forum." Yet this thread is simply an example of just how ignorant many are of the term, as threads like these shouldn't have to exist if one already does - IsaacGS's Maker Guide, in this case. His thread was published months ago, and through page after page of replies the community was able to have an intellectual discussion through which plenty of these questions were asked and answered. Like I told you moments ago in-game, it simply ASTOUNDS me how few people seem to care about the definition of forum and simply want immediate, concise answers.

I don't have an issue with the information being made available to the public, like with Isaac's thread long ago. That, as you said yourself, is the founding principle of this forum and OF the term forum itself. I think everyone should hear of this information if they please, because it is readily available to them. However, the issue I have is when those too lazy to do their own research create new threads asking old and already answered questions destroy the work put in by others. Why should I bother stockpiling jewels or preparing for an upcoming event based on the information I and others found in a thread if it's simply going to be ruined by ignorance? The reward for research is the ability to use knowledge to one's advantage and to share that knowledge with friends and others who will treat it with humble respect. Without such, the learning incentive of research is lost, and the flow of knowledge stops forever.

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I'll pull this up again for those who haven't seen it, those who have, and those who should: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

If you had already stock-up on jewels and crystals, then its good for you. For those who are rushing out to grab any available jewels and crystals hoping to make some profit out if it, i would suggest, buy it responsibly as it doesn't really generate a huge profit.

Unless Nexon decided to increase the droprate of Piece of Time, else we wont see anyone forging a reverse weapon anytime soon. 1 advanced diamond = 1 weapon, 1 advanced sapphire = 1 mage weapon, so do your maths and think how many "remake" diamonds will be sitting in the FM.

As for armours, the only profitable ones would be mage INT shoes(9/10/11 int). Make these shoes on the first few days you get maker skills will definetly yield you huge profits!! The rest of the armours i wont even mentioned it as the cost of making 1 will probably breakeven over the profit if you are lucky to even sell it.

with the vast majority of magicians being lukless, I have my doubts mage shoes will be a good market

If you had already stock-up on jewels and crystals, then its good for you. For those who are rushing out to grab any available jewels and crystals hoping to make some profit out if it, i would suggest, buy it responsibly as it doesn't really generate a huge profit.

Unless Nexon decided to increase the droprate of Piece of Time, else we wont see anyone forging a reverse weapon anytime soon. 1 advanced diamond = 1 weapon, 1 advanced sapphire = 1 mage weapon, so do your maths and think how many "remake" diamonds will be sitting in the FM.

As for armours, the only profitable ones would be mage INT shoes(9/10/11 int). Make these shoes on the first few days you get maker skills will definetly yield you huge profits!! The rest of the armours i wont even mentioned it as the cost of making 1 will probably breakeven over the profit if you are lucky to even sell it.

No way are mage shoes gunna be expensive. Most are lukless, as the person above me said. Mage gear will be the least profitable.

I'm not going to stockpile jewels/crystals. I've already got 25 dex crystals in storage, which could be a tidy 50-100m profit

Chaos scrolls are still dropping in Bellocan. O.o

They were given a large head start (at least in scania) by people being scaredy-cats and selling low at the first whiff of a potential loss, thus making it worse for everyone else.

Of course they'd be steadily dropping, but if it wasn't for the lily-livered half-merchants who jumped on the 'hoard chaos scrolls' bandwagon it'd be a much more steady drop over a longer time, better for the hoarders, better for the lucky general population that might find one.

Of course, the fact I had a few at the time makes me slightly biased...

If you had already stock-up on jewels and crystals, then its good for you. For those who are rushing out to grab any available jewels and crystals hoping to make some profit out if it, i would suggest, buy it responsibly as it doesn't really generate a huge profit.

Unless Nexon decided to increase the droprate of Piece of Time, else we wont see anyone forging a reverse weapon anytime soon. 1 advanced diamond = 1 weapon, 1 advanced sapphire = 1 mage weapon, so do your maths and think how many "remake" diamonds will be sitting in the FM.

As for armours, the only profitable ones would be mage INT shoes(9/10/11 int). Make these shoes on the first few days you get maker skills will definetly yield you huge profits!! The rest of the armours i wont even mentioned it as the cost of making 1 will probably breakeven over the profit if you are lucky to even sell it.

Reverse weapons aren't the only weapons maker can make that people will throw advanced diamonds on.

@Frozn: I agree. With the "How will the market change?" types of questions, it's pretty easy to figure it out and prepare for it. That's what being a merchanter is all about.

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[color="#cc8899"]I made this thread because I was getting annoyed at the discussion related to the economy in the Maker guide. While the economy is a big part of Maker, predictions about inflation and whatnot simply clog the thread and make it hard to get answers to other questions. Hence, speculation thread. Here people can discuss the impact it may or may not have without derailing the guide.

To that end, I also never once begged an immediate response.[/COLOR]

with the vast majority of magicians being lukless, I have my doubts mage shoes will be a good market

The vast majority of REMADE magicians are LUKless. If someone's first char was a mage, chances are they're Low LUK or Reg LUK. Very rarely do you see someone that just started Maplestory as a mage going LUKless right off the bat, and by the time they find the forums that teach them how to work their chars, they're already too far into their LUK build (and this is based on a few months experience helping out on SW's mage forum). Most likely, the shoe market will be a relatively lucrative venture, since the magician economy is lucrative in general. An 8 to 9 stat shoe is 5 extra stats, which pushes much more parity between LUK and LUKless, albeit in a minor way.

The vast majority of REMADE magicians are LUKless. If someone's first char was a mage, chances are they're Low LUK or Reg LUK. Very rarely do you see someone that just started Maplestory as a mage going LUKless right off the bat, and by the time they find the forums that teach them how to work their chars, they're already too far into their LUK build (and this is based on a few months experience helping out on SW's mage forum). Most likely, the shoe market will be a relatively lucrative venture, since the magician economy is lucrative in general. An 8 to 9 stat shoe is 5 extra stats, which pushes much more parity between LUK and LUKless, albeit in a minor way.

I get the feeling thief shoes will be worth more than mage shoes forged with int pook:...

I get the feeling thief shoes will be worth more than mage shoes forged with int pook:...

Definitely a possibility, but I've always had the feeling that NLs were more of a secondary character, in that people would typically make a primary moneymaking character to fund a thief. More so is the fact that a lot of the people that get taken on boss runs or that are funded tend to be statless anyways, which is where the money is in the first place.

I do see a potential for much more appeal for shoes for warriors, though, although the pricing might not be better than the mage ones. This is why I've been wondering whether or not it might just be better to go with DEX and POWER crystals to sell for now, since those ones are used by the most classes.

The vast majority of REMADE magicians are LUKless. If someone's first char was a mage, chances are they're Low LUK or Reg LUK. Very rarely do you see someone that just started Maplestory as a mage going LUKless right off the bat, and by the time they find the forums that teach them how to work their chars, they're already too far into their LUK build (and this is based on a few months experience helping out on SW's mage forum). Most likely, the shoe market will be a relatively lucrative venture, since the magician economy is lucrative in general. An 8 to 9 stat shoe is 5 extra stats, which pushes much more parity between LUK and LUKless, albeit in a minor way.

Minor meaning inconsequential?

I dont think mage shoes will sell well. 120+ mages will be at Newts and Skeles and with the rate at which they kill, Wisdom Crystal, Luk Crystal and monster etc will be virtually in abundance. Add to that, Mage's hands will be one off the highest around so the option of using stimulators to create your own shoes and add more stats with a lower rate of failure is also there. Also as said before a large percent of the mage population is luckless so thats a lot of market gone there too. Your market would then be mainly pre 4th job mages and lazy 4th jobbers. Will pre 4th jobbers care about +5 stat (+10 if you count int/luk) shoes, taking into consideration Int's effect on damage is even less noticble at those levels? Will you be able to sell the shoes at a price that reflects this, considering the time and money you would have spent grading crystals and creating the shoes?

Of course this is all conjecture and I could be totally wrong. The maple population is extremely fickle.

Definitely a possibility, but I've always had the feeling that NLs were more of a secondary character, in that people would typically make a primary moneymaking character to fund a thief. More so is the fact that a lot of the people that get taken on boss runs or that are funded tend to be statless anyways, which is where the money is in the first place.

Maybe for people who can stand to play the abomination that is the Bishop class o.o my Thief funds itself.