The effects of Maker on the economy

That's true in gMS as well, where the high level mage population is roughly equal to twice that of combined other jobs. Even if about 1/3 of said mages are actually alternate accounts of other high leveled people, and used as leech mules. Blargh, I hate the idea of a character made only as a tool for another character, it seems wasteful...

thrs all kinds of tools, uhh i mean mules, in mapleSEA 2...list out a few
HS mule
HB mule
RING mule
banger(retired as power guard is being patched)

thrs all kinds of tools, uhh i mean mules, in mapleSEA 2...list out a few
HS mule
HB mule
RING mule
banger(retired as power guard is being patched)

dun forget
SE mule

Erm... IMHO... the released of Maker Skill and Donations Medal will bring the wealth gap between the rich & poor nearer....

The lower levels will be able to farm easier (by selling ores) to buy the scrolls and such that they need... and the higher levels will be eventually (might really take a long period of time) be drained and become not as rich...

On top of the maker skill & donations medal, trade Tax rate has also in MSEA, for larger amounts of trade transactions.... from the new tax table, lower value trade's tax rate reduced while higher value trade's tax rate rose to 6%...

Hopefully this can solve the mass inflation problem in MSEA... last but not least... I sincerely hope that the price of white scrolls will go down... in MSEA Cassiopiea, each white scroll is currently priced at 600mil...

Totally Nuts......

Err, donation medals really are just for the extremely wealthy. It hardly has any affect on the economy as those who have accumulated absurd amounts of money like that are few at best.

I doubt this will affect the economy that much. Scrolled items under the jurisdiction of the maker skill will take a hit slightly, and diamonds will go up, but this skill is largely for a select few interested in synthesizing these weapons in the first place. The effect of people spending money to appraise their ores is probably overstated, much like how people thought the economy would massively deflate because people would start buying mounts (I doubt you'll find many differences because, quite honestly, they've become a most important staple for relatively immobile classes). It'll be an initial hype, followed by a gradual wearing down.

this skill is largely for a select few interested in synthesizing these weapons in the first place.

You mean like... Everyone except dexless NLs and lukless mages?

Yeah, I recognize that those are popular classes, but seriously, there are a lot of other classes too. And Maker's not even mainly for weapons. To me, it's far more useful and easy-to-use for armors.

You mean like... Everyone except dexless NLs and lukless mages?

Yeah, I recognize that those are popular classes, but seriously, there are a lot of other classes too. And Maker's not even mainly for weapons. To me, it's far more useful and easy-to-use for armors.

Agreed. And the effect isn't purely speculation, most people are using other versions as an example of how it will probably affect our server. And armor making, where scrollings generally add 10-15 stats, having an extra 10 base stats PER ITEM is amazing. But you keep underestimating it, more money for us

It's still over hyped no matter how you put it. People act like they will make billions off of ores when this comes out. Sadly you won't. :f6:

It's still over hyped no matter how you put it. People act like they will make billions off of ores when this comes out. Sadly you won't. :f6:

Well, with 100 crystals, assuming each sells 2m ungraded (not unreasonable), you make 200m. Some people have 1000+ crystals. Math = 2bil. The main difficulty is finding people to actually buy them all amidst competition.

That's assuming you will sell them.

With more stock then demand, you won't sell crap sadly, leaving you sitting in the FM for months with a inventory full of ores.

You will eventually make the money, but it will be super slow.

Oh yeah, and usually when something is common, it's not worth as much.

So with everyone hoarding diamonds, along with all those jump quest hackers we used to have, the price of diamonds isn't looking too good.

You are better off hoarding something different and unique. That will keep competition from getting in the way.

Just cause something is better doesn't mean it will sell. Look at Chaos Scrolls for example. You can get some pretty good crap from them. They used to be worth heaps, but now that they are so common, and everyone has them, no one will buy them, and they will keep deflating, until they hit their rock bottom price.

I'd say all we can do right now is speculate and that's it. I dont know how other servers function, but while there is some "natural" inflation, much of the inflation that goes on these days is "artificial" and done by one person or a specific group of people.

It takes only two people with a few bill each to inflate the whole market: Dude A buys out all diamonds up to 10 mill, dude B, who wants to make stuff and doesnt care and buys diamonds at 11 mill or whatever the cost is.

It doesnt matter if diamonds inflated to 3 mill in MSEA or if sapphires inflated to 5 mill in JMS, as it'll all be irrelevant when those multi-billionares out there decide to mass forge or mass inflate them. To many of us, a few hundred mill is a lot, but to some merchanters out there, that's just pocket change.

With that in mind, while all of you out there are hoaring your jewels and things, you have to understand that everyone else is hoarding them too. The <best> things to hoarde will probably be things people havent thought of yet, or things that require more "outside the box" thinking. Yes, your diamonds will inflate, but perhaps there are things out there that will inflate more with less effort. That's where people should be thinking of investing.

I'd say all we can do right now is speculate and that's it. I dont know how other servers function, but while there is some "natural" inflation, much of the inflation that goes on these days is "artificial" and done by one person or a specific group of people.

It takes only two people with a few bill each to inflate the whole market: Dude A buys out all diamonds up to 10 mill, dude B, who wants to make stuff and doesnt care and buys diamonds at 11 mill or whatever the cost is.

It doesnt matter if diamonds inflated to 3 mill in MSEA or if sapphires inflated to 5 mill in JMS, as it'll all be irrelevant when those multi-billionares out there decide to mass forge or mass inflate them. To many of us, a few hundred mill is a lot, but to some merchanters out there, that's just pocket change.

With that in mind, while all of you out there are hoaring your jewels and things, you have to understand that everyone else is hoarding them too. The <best> things to hoarde will probably be things people havent thought of yet, or things that require more "outside the box" thinking. Yes, your diamonds will inflate, but perhaps there are things out there that will inflate more with less effort. That's where people should be thinking of investing.

2 People alone can't inflate, not even 1 server itself can. (Even if they could it would be temporary.)

There are many things that make up the prices of items, and how they inflate and deflate:

ALL of the Servers Economy. (How much money they have floating around)
ALL of the Servers Stock. (How much of the item they have floating around)
We have MTS, (The NX:Meso Ratio plays an important role too.)
How much money everyone has. (It has to be affordable)
How often people need to buy it. (People will only need a couple of the hundred thousand in the free market.)

Other then that I agree with you completely.

I see what you guys are saying. I only have around 900 diamonds which i hoarded when pirates came out, not sure why, but I did. I also have around 800~ Sapphires for magic attack on items, and 400 garnets for those dexless warriors running about. Also, 100 wisdom crystals (refined). I hope to make a decent profit, although I'm not expecting much. If I happen to not make any mesos off of this, leeching will always be a source of money.

-Unrelated- In Broa, around Saturday through Monday, I'm looking for a Zakum selling group because my crossbowman is approaching level 50, the quests are easy but, I'll be needing a group who supplies HP items. (I hope i hit 50 before then so I can do a few hours of leech for mesos!)

2 People alone can't inflate, not even 1 server itself can. (Even if they could it would be temporary.)

There are many things that make up the prices of items, and how they inflate and deflate:

ALL of the Servers Economy. (How much money they have floating around)
ALL of the Servers Stock. (How much of the item they have floating around)
We have MTS, (The NX:Meso Ratio plays an important role too.)
How much money everyone has. (It has to be affordable)
How often people need to buy it. (People will only need a couple of the hundred thousand in the free market.)

Other then that I agree with you completely.

That's what I was trying to say: A temporary increase. Then again, isnt that what the effects of maker on the economy will be in the end?

Sure, in the long haul, there may be a permanent increase on some areas, but at the same time, the spike in the first day will be greater than on the other days, which is also temporary.

All inflation and deflation are "temporary" if you think about it; It's just a matter of how long it takes before the prices go back up or fall back down.

And people alone CAN deflate/inflate economies. I remember back in the day when Gen 30 was 1 bill and apples were 2.5 in Scania and I think 400 mill and 5ish mill in Khaini? People in Scania would transport over billions in apples and bring back Gen 30's. The Scanian Gen 30 price dropped to roughly 600 and apples inflated to 3.5 while in Khaini, apples dropped to 3ish I think? Cant remember the exact numbers but something along those lines did happen.

After thinking about it more, I agree with you in the sense that ores are harder to control as they come in greater quantities than things like HT skillbooks/apples but if someone was adamant enough, I would <think> it could be possible. And really, in the short period of time, that would be all they need to make money.

Yes, ores did inflate to a few million mesos when Maker was out. But now, 2 weeks on, Advanced Diamonds are only worth around a million mesos.

There will be inflation. But it won't last a long time.

Yes, ores did inflate to a few million mesos when Maker was out. But now, 2 weeks on, Advanced Diamonds are only worth around a million mesos.

There will be inflation. But it won't last a long time.

STAT crystals still high?

Yes, ores did inflate to a few million mesos when Maker was out. But now, 2 weeks on, Advanced Diamonds are only worth around a million mesos.

There will be inflation. But it won't last a long time.

omg? hope the same thing will happen in cass.... 1mil for a adv diamond...

/drool

STAT crystals still high?

An intermediate wisdom crystal got sold at 6mil each (Bootes) from what I saw today.
Maker skill caused lv100 weapons price to drop , mainly pinakas . =/

An intermediate wisdom crystal got sold at 6mil each (Bootes) from what I saw today.
Maker skill caused lv100 weapons price to drop , mainly pinakas . =/

Yeah. Diamonds are much cheaper because they're much, much more common than other popular ores. Training in Singapore for a few levels will give you a hundred easily.

Sorry to disappoint, Fiel, but I think you guys are better off collecting Dark/Wisdom/Power/LUK/DEX crystals. These are in much higher demand because of their low drop rate.

Sorry to disappoint, Fiel, but I think you guys are better off collecting Dark/Wisdom/Power/LUK/DEX crystals. These are in much higher demand because of their low drop rate.

The way I see it is this - as long as diamonds sell for more than 100k a pop, I've made a profit.

I had an interesting exchange with someone trying to scavenge diamonds at Harps yesterday. The conclusions that he reached were that it would be more likely that DEX and POWER crystals would be the most inflated, since those respective classes don't go statless. It's at least an interesting theory to note since it is true that most mages go LUKless nowadays and Sins/Dits prefer Dexless (and therefore can't wear maker armor).