Leeched Corsair

You are correct. He is playing his Bishop, not his Corsair... his Corsair is doing absolutely nothing which contradicts the purpose of this game.

How incredibly condescending of you to think you can tell others how to play a game.

Just mess around on your corsair for an hour. You'll get the hang of it in due time. Practice makes perfect, so just play for the fun of it, not because you aren't "pro" at demounting or killing stuff yet.

That might work for knowing where the buttons are, but if you're not training, you don't really learn when to use your skills...

No. You are a horrible person for wanting to leech and deserve to die. I mean you CAN'T play the game how you want to, you HAVE to listen to the cool f[SIZE="2"]a[/SIZE]ggots and be "legit." If you are stupid enough to cross their path, they will do horrible sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t like call you a leecher and perhaps even KS you. Even God would sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t his pants at the sight of a bunch of douche bag elitist KS'ing you. Don't say no one warned you, I mean you JUST have an Arch Mage and Bishop versus their f[SIZE="2"]a[/SIZE]ggot ass NIGHTLORDS and stereotypical douche bag classes.

Good luck man.

If youre worried about not being able to play your char properly

not because of what others tell you -- but because of a general concern about being able to handle your char

just play for 1 out of the 10 lvls

ie -- leech from 100-109 -- train 109-110 -- leech 110-119

its usually more then enough time to figure out your new skills etc

if youre concerned about being able to play the char because of what others tell you -- then just ignore them -- there is no char in the game that you wont be able to play after about an hour or two of fooling around on it and reading up on the forums

Fact.

Hanging on a rope is not playing the game. Even if he leeches the Corsair with his Bishop, he still isn't playing it.

Butthurt elitist f'aggot, as always. This is the same douchenut that messes things up for others when it doesn't go his way. Or am I wrong? I do find it hilarious how you think you're better than everyone, though. Go cry more.

That might work for knowing where the buttons are, but if you're not training, you don't really learn when to use your skills...

> Implying MS has ANY characters that are hard to learn how to control

Yeah, no. I can jump on any character (and I have played almost every single one, most in 4th job even) and play it just as well as anyone after an hour? Or two? The only way that wouldn't be possible is if they sucked at an extremely simple game...or games in general. Or, of course, if they NEVER played their character.

I said it in the last LEECH MAKES PEOPLE SUCK thread: There's people who are good at playing MS in general. They can leech and still be just as good as anyone. They can train normally and be good period. And then there's the lazy f'aggots who leech and then can't play their characters or ever level again because they simply just suck. But guess what? There's people who level normally who are just like that. SHOCKING.

Absolutely stupid. I train my characters manually because I enjoy training. That's all there is to it. If somebody wants to use another one of their characters to level up a different character, who the hell cares? Heck, even if someone wants to be stupid and throw away a ton of money to have someone else level them...so what? At least they're still following the rules and not hacking.

This whole game is retarded anyway. What's worse is people think they're better than others in it. There's people that suck in ALL games, and there's people that are good at gaming in general. MS is no frickin' different.

he wasnt even asking if leeching was good bad or illegal. he was just asking if it would affect how he will control his char. the answer is, if you have more than 3 brain cells, you will do just fine.

now ladies go back to flaming each other for no reason, it is amusing.

> Implying MS has ANY characters that are hard to learn how to control

I find the control curve on buccaneers steeper than pretty much all other classes, but that's just me, and i trained all the way up to my level.

I just find paying for leech at one point to be kind of disturbing. During the 36 hour 2x, someone was paying 22m/hr for 1 hit skele leech. With a 1:4 NX ratio, that's $5.50 an hour. Minimum wage in Massachusetts is $8/hr. That's right, Bishops are now making nearly minimum wage for pressing a button >_>

Personally, I find leeching to be less rewarding than training, but that's just me. I'm not saying you should feel like burning s'hit in hell because you leeched, I'd just feel like I got less out of it.

I find the control curve on buccaneers steeper than pretty much all other classes, but that's just me, and i trained all the way up to my level.

CBs aren't far behind on this either, when aran comes out leechers are going to die because of the inability to create and maintain long combos

CBs aren't far behind on this either, when aran comes out leechers are going to die because of the inability to create and maintain long combos

CBs are very easy, since most of their training involves either A) Spamming BoT at typhons or B) Bombing the hell out of whatever they want.

Shadowers are also not so bad, since they just have to incorporate Bstep into their attacks, which they can now practically spam. (by now i mean after the next patch)

> Implying MS has ANY characters that are hard to learn how to control

I'm just saying if you wander around using skills "for fun" you're not gonna learn what good they are in training. A couple hours of grind is probably enough at most maps to figure out what's going on. I'm pretty sure Roar looked good on paper but there aren't many places I actually use it, though still it signifies being a Dragon Knight to me more than Fury or Crusher. And I don't actually need FJ at all when I'm at Newties... I guess it looks flashy in towns though.

Here's an analogy. Forget characters. Your character is a car, and MS is about street racing.

Training your character is like working on your car. It's hard work and takes a ton of time, but it can be fun if you're into it, you get a better feel for your vehicle, and at the end of the day you can get the satisfaction of getting something done the hard way.

You don't have to do it yourself, of course. You can pay others to work on your car while you stand by sipping a Coke (buying leech). You can make robots to get it done faster (leeching yourself - the analogy falls apart a little here, I guess).

Everyone has the same tricked-out ride in the end. Now, it comes down to performance. The person that works on their car manually is obviously going to know more about their car. Does it make them a better driver? Not necessarily. A bad driver is still a bad driver.

Correlation does not imply causation. The person that worked on their car is more likely to be someone who has a passion for cars and driving. The person that paid other people to do it is more likely to be a rich douchebag that just wants a cool car. The same goes for characters in MS. Leechers don't necessarily suck at playing their character. It's just that many leechers tend to be spoiled children that don't take the gameplay seriously. Obviously they're going to suck at the game. But if you're pretty confident in your character control, it's not going to be a problem for you to pick up another character.

pineapple you, Greg, [SIZE="3"]some people[/SIZE] actually enjoyed the first three jobs. Outlaws do not suck, and levelling my Gunslinger was one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had on Maple for a while. If it wasn't for 2nd job being so much fun, I wouldn't have gotten as far as I have. I made my Corsair without any notion of being a powerful bossing class or anything, I'd quit Maple for about 5 months and playing a Pirate renewed my interest in the game.

I'm talking majority, like anyone else referring to vidya game classes would. There's always going to be some people who enjoy what most hate (Paladins, Permabeginners, etc), but christ, look at it from the big picture. Why there's barely any Corsairs around is obvious; nobody wants to put up with the 2nd and 3rd job. Who could blame them? Gunslingers are the weakest 2nd job, and Outlaws are the weakest 3rd; who would want to party with that? Train with that? Only your friends, that's who, because I'll be damned if anyone in this game's god-forsaken community would even double click on an Outlaw to check their level before even considering partying them.

I made my Corsair without any notion of being a powerful bossing class or anything

You're a casual Mapler. Don't get me wrong, that's not a bad thing (Sometimes I wish I took things such as equipment/damage less seriously), but that fact of the matter is that being powerful is what's appealing to most, whether it be their own characters, who's in their party, hell, some people only like having the hardest of the hardcore in their guilds/buddylists. Understand that in any MMO, whether you're arguing for it or against it, the majority is all that really matters when debating over situations like these.. This thread was created because the OP felt uncomfortable with leeching his own Gunslinger as most people have a negative vibe towards leeched Corsairs.

KNAWMEAN?

Leechers don't necessarily suck at playing their character. It's just that many leechers tend to be spoiled children that don't take the gameplay seriously.

Most people that leech their own characters tend to be 15x+ and don't want to put up with yet another grind to 4th job. Taking the gameplay seriously made me laugh; what's there to take seriously? The only thing that could be taken seriously in a game like this is competition between levels or attack ranges.

I'm talking majority, like anyone else referring to vidya game classes would. There's always going to be some people who enjoy what most hate (Paladins, Permabeginners, etc), but christ, look at it from the big picture. Why there's barely any Corsairs around is obvious; nobody wants to put up with the 2nd and 3rd job. Who could blame them? Gunslingers are the weakest 2nd job, and Outlaws are the weakest 3rd; who would want to party with that? Train with that? Only your friends, that's who, because I'll be damned if anyone in this game's god-forsaken community would even double click on an Outlaw to check their level before even considering partying them.

Most people that leech their own characters tend to be 15x+ and don't want to put up with yet another grind to 4th job. Taking the gameplay seriously made me laugh; what's there to take seriously? The only thing that could be taken seriously in a game like this is competition between levels or attack ranges.

Get your facts straight, Outlaws are the strongest 1v1 class in 3rd job.

Anyway, control is important to me. I don't look at the numbers when I watch videos, I look at the aesthetics. Perfect timing / control is a lot more interesting to look at than Pap dying in 2 minutes. I have no problem with people leeching to whatever level they please. If for some reason I decided I needed to restart my Corsair I'd probably leech it, too, I've already gone through it once. I just think there's more to the game than the endgame. There's not much to do in terms of gameplay after level 140 except kill bosses.

I find it extremely hard to believe that an Outlaw's Burst Fire puts them in front of Hermits, Snipers, Rangers, and Crusaders in 3rd job DPS. Where are you pulling 3rd job DPS information from anyway? I'd like to see for myself. In the end, though, it doesn't matter; single target DPS is the last thing you'd want to take advantage of in 3rd job.

I find it extremely hard to believe that an Outlaw's Burst Fire puts them in front of Hermits, Snipers, Rangers, and Crusaders in 3rd job DPS. Where are you pulling 3rd job DPS information from anyway? I'd like to see for myself. In the end, though, it doesn't matter; single target DPS is the last thing you'd want to take advantage of in 3rd job.

I can run some numbers, but it's pretty easy to see that with a 630% attack that hits faster than Strafe (560%), a base damage only slightly lower than Snipers, and Octopus/Gaviota in the mix that Outlaws outdamage Snipers, and by extension Rangers and Crusaders on single target DPS. I'm fairly certain that they outdamage Hermits, too. I do agree that single target DPS is virtually worthless in 3rd job, though. Still, Outlaws do just fine in Newtie parties, which is where all the Hermits are, too.

The only thing that could be taken seriously in a game like this is competition between levels or attack ranges.

Too bad levels went out the window with 4th job (Ultimates) and 2x. Meanwhile attack ranges became more worthless when the duped white-scrolled items appeared. If you played this game to be competitive, you had several heart attacks when these things happened.

I'm talking majority, like anyone else referring to vidya game classes would. There's always going to be some people who enjoy what most hate (Paladins, Permabeginners, etc), but christ, look at it from the big picture. Why there's barely any Corsairs around is obvious; nobody wants to put up with the 2nd and 3rd job. Who could blame them? Gunslingers are the weakest 2nd job, and Outlaws are the weakest 3rd; who would want to party with that? Train with that? Only your friends, that's who, because I'll be damned if anyone in this game's god-forsaken community would even double click on an Outlaw to check their level before even considering partying them.

Orrrr it's because Most People don't buy leech, don't train 8 hours a day, and haven't made it to Corsair yet. 4th job takes a while regardless of class - this one came out (iirc) 8 months ago. For that matter, a lot of people who play MS aren't just gonna drop their existing characters for a new one. If I want a strong 4th job character, the shortest route is to train 20 levels on my Hermit - not 130 on a new Pirate.

Orrrr it's because Most People don't buy leech, don't train 8 hours a day, and haven't made it to Corsair yet. 4th job takes a while regardless of class - this one came out (iirc) 8 months ago. For that matter, a lot of people who play MS aren't just gonna drop their existing characters for a new one. If I want a strong 4th job character, the shortest route is to train 20 levels on my Hermit - not 130 on a new Pirate.

[color="#cc8899"]This. MasPan was 13x or so when pirates came out (LOW 13x). I made my slinger, cpq'd a bit, trained a bit, got him to 51, took a break and went back to Mas. If you know me at all in-game, you know that I spend forever leveling (or at least did until early this month). I just recently picked up my slinger again so I could scroll some Cannon Shooters (not much luck so far), and am now pretty amped to get him to Outlaw. It's still going to be a LONG time before he's 4th job, especially considering he only gets about 1/3 of my playing time. MasPan is still my main, and still my favorite character. I love my slinger's skills, and it's a lot more relaxing to train on him, sniping golems, than it is rushing skeles/skelos and constantly monitoring my HP.

Anyways, tldr, Zifhael (slinger) gets about 1/3 of my time. I still play MasPan heavily, so it's going to be a while before I get to Corsair, even if I do really enjoy playing it. I made him entirely FOR his 2nd job skills, I could care less how "weak" he is - I didn't even look at 3rd or 4th job skilltables until he was at least 4x.[/COLOR]