Vipers are godly oO

I still think they're a bit overrated. Their damage really isn't that great, and when they're not transformed, a level 140 Shadower's BStep could outdamage that 165's mob attack. They attack a LOT slower than what I've thought for the past like month. At least people can stop making fun of BStep's delay now.

From what it seems like, they're basically Shadowers with tanking attributes.

And lol@the guy who was dissing 1H Sword Heros. Take a look at all of the 2Hs who are converting to 1H.

I dont know what u meant about lol@warriors who went 1hand. Sure vipers are pretty strong, but they can't stay super transformed forever. Even when they are super transformed, demolition is just to slow to outdmg every other class. Even heros with a Fast sword (ribgol, 1H sword) I think can outdamage them.

Hell, this guys doing 50k per brandish, while those vipers are doing 100k per demolition. I'm pretty sure 2 brandish's are faster than 1 demolition.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xkf38cICM8

Don't even mention red katanas. That would just destroy vipers DPS

DS user with windbooster.. destroys katana's ._. Not sure about stonetooth tho...

DS user with windbooster.. destroys katana's ._. Not sure about stonetooth tho...

why would devil sunrise users destroy katanas? Katana is already 2 speed faster.

I've seen way to many Heros switch to 1 hand to have 2H>1H even cross my mind.

Vipers are pretty damn good at single target damage, but to say they're better than any other class is jus ridiculous.

why would devil sunrise users destroy katanas? Katana is already 2 speed faster.

I've seen way to many Heros switch to 1 hand to have 2H>1H even cross my mind.

Vipers are pretty damn good at single target damage, but to say they're better than any other class is jus ridiculous.

Because , katana is Fast (4), under booster it's at the highest speed possible. now take a DS(normal6) and add windbooster and gg nexon for unbalancing! unless they actually make a speed Fastest(2) which will make Faster(3) items noticeable in speed.

Example: have you used a Faster (3) dagger and a Fast (4) dagger? w/o booster ofc you can tell the faster (3) dagger does more dps, tho add booster too both dagger's and yeah.. no differance.

pineapple their Damage

its still a amazing class

Booster effects faster weapons. I fool around with my pig book all the time, I'm 100% sure booster effects it.

Anyway, how would it make DS users better if the RK user is still doing more damage per hit?

Because , katana is Fast (4), under booster it's at the highest speed possible. now take a DS(normal6) and add windbooster and gg nexon for unbalancing! unless they actually make a speed Fastest(2) which will make Faster(3) items noticeable in speed.

Example: have you used a Faster (3) dagger and a Fast (4) dagger? w/o booster ofc you can tell the faster (3) dagger does more dps, tho add booster too both dagger's and yeah.. no differance.

Actually a Halloween basket is a Faster (3) 1 handed sword, and it IS faster then a Katana with brandish (tested it on my pserver). So yeah wbooster will speed it up...

The question is, do Vipers want to party other classes at bosses because of their Time Leap loss when there is 1 Viper less in their party?

So don't count on skills (Windbooster) at boss fights when might never get them...

6 Vipers will always want to stick together because of that, even Bishops can be ruled out because of that, and you can always re-make the party for a revive from 1 bishop from a "back-up" party if 1 of the Vipers dies, and kick the Bishop out of the party when his "usefullness" is done... :o

pineapple their Damage

its still a amazing class

No, it's really not. Pirates only have a couple unique abilities in function, the rest is just rehashing of other classes or sucky skills. If that's "amazing," I have lost faith in the assessment capabilities of Maple players. Maple didn't need another class.

EDIT: On topic, not bad damage at all. I was under the impression that knuckles were really low in attack, if he has a 98, that's probably really, really well-scrolled. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for actual damage output.

No, it's really not. Pirates only have a couple unique abilities in function, the rest is just rehashing of other classes or sucky skills. If that's "amazing," I have lost faith in the assessment capabilities of Maple players. Maple didn't need another class.

EDIT: On topic, not bad damage at all. I was under the impression that knuckles were really low in attack, if he has a 98, that's probably really, really well-scrolled. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for actual damage output.

98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.

Oh god I can't wait for all the "OVER 9000!!!!" jokes once Vipers come to GMS.

98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.

Yeah, I didn't think it was to impressive even transformed.

You guys do notice that any Warrior can dish out pretty much the same damage at the level of most of these guys faster right? Everytime they whip out a combo they need to stop for a second or two. That's kinda lame.

Bstep wont possibly because your using a FAST 4 or 3 dagger, and with 3 being the fastest speed which aint even different from a fast 4 dagger w/ booster. yea shadowers get fucked over by pirates. f fucking 7

Windbooster

hero w/ normal speed high attack swords.. are hax w/ pirates. (normal 6)

NL's most likely wont get any speed boost due to fast 3 being the fastest. so its w/e (Fast 4)

Bowmaster mite get a speed boost w/ SoA (Normal 5)

lol marksman w/ strafe. GG (normal 5)

even Drk's will do more DPS then shadowers rofl. (slow 7)

conclusion: Im not sure, but Im positive (faster 3) is the highest speed possible atm unless nexon changes that, which in theory wont effect claws and daggers Since max speed is shared with fast 4 and faster 3 with daggers/claws using booster.

wee gg nexon f7

Your assumptions are always wrong just like you said a shadower could outdamage a nightlord on DPS stop trying to make shadowers look so good. Vipers are a nice addition to a melee party in horntail and any other boss nothing more.

Holy pomegranate I almost spit out my water when that one guy started comparing Dark Knights to Shadowers. What a joke. Let's not even get started on Darks.

98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.

Oh, so Vipers can actually use this as an expectation of damage? Not half bad.

About damage / second - That hero in the video is lvl 174, the highest Viper is lvl 165

I just did some timings:
- In 2 seconds a 2 handed hero can attack 3 times with brandish (6 attacks)
- It takes a Viper 2 seconds to attack 1x with Demolition, that are 8 attacks, not 6 (!!!)

6x 22500 avg (highest-30k / lowest 15k) = 135k dmg / 2sec - lvl 174

8x 19000 avg (highest 25k / lowest 13k) = 152k dmg / 2sec - lvl 165

So as far as I can see, Super transformed Viper Party's do more dps AND are ranged too...

Don't forget that you need a Viper party to do this continuous Super Transform + Time Leap thing, but still, their damage is the highest I've seen so far... 75k dmg / second (without criticals) = insane...

I also thought Vipers can do critical damage with demolition when they stun the monster, but since bosses can't be stunned, they can't do criticals to them...

That's one weak ass hero.

I'm not sure what causes it but it's happened to me before too. Some kind of glitch I suppose.

i think its when a monster uses a specific defence skill, it happens with the fishbone monsters to. They use there defence skill and they freeze, just stop attacking

I have to agree with you on that. And yes the skill animation is a bit long but still... what class can 1hko newties at lvl 12x? =o

Shadowers with Assassinate maybe? I don't know.

Anyway, that Pap video was omgwtfgodly.

"Godly" Lol.
Their attacks are as slow as the average American's attention span. Vipers spend levels 120~130 putting points in to Super Transform. After that, you spend 130~140 putting points in to demolition (And you'll probably make room for wind booster somewhere down that line. Maybe even that Dragon mob attack). So you're level 142 now. All you have is super transform and one single-target destroyer. By level 150 your only Viper mobbing attack still won't be maxed.

Vipers are godly on single targets, and single targets only. Dragon has horrible damage. At level 127, my level 21 BStep can hit up to nearly 40k per monster (And up to four monsters) while a well-equipped Viper's dragon only hits up to 20k~30k at level 164. Gross.

Sorry, I need to bash on Infigheters and their overrated-ness every now and then.

All i can say is,Huray.
No more bandwagon in infighters now ahh?

"Godly" Lol.
Their attacks are as slow as the average American's attention span. Vipers spend levels 120~130 putting points in to Super Transform. After that, you spend 130~140 putting points in to demolition (And you'll probably make room for wind booster somewhere down that line. Maybe even that Dragon mob attack). So you're level 142 now. All you have is super transform and one single-target destroyer. By level 150 your only Viper mobbing attack still won't be maxed.

Vipers are godly on single targets, and single targets only. Dragon has horrible damage. At level 127, my level 21 BStep can hit up to nearly 40k per monster (And up to four monsters) while a well-equipped Viper's dragon only hits up to 20k~30k at level 164. Gross.

Sorry, I need to bash on Infigheters and their overrated-ness every now and then.

"Halp, I need to spend 2 billion on equipments to even keep up with most classes damage."

ololol.