Soul Arrow now stacks with +Attack Arrows.

Hmm...
Subis -> 15 atk
Icicles -> 21 atk
Soul Arrows -> 0 atk
Diamond Arrows -> 4 atk

Icicles and Diamond Arrows are both sold @ Mo, one for 40k per 2000, one for about 2k per 800.

The only real difference is that arrows aren't rechargeable, and stars are still consumed to cast soul stars.

The standard/basic/normal star for a NL is the Ilbi, not the Subi. Better stars compensate for how low level claws only gain 2 attack per 5 (later 10) levels rather than 4. A NL using weaker stars than Ilbis is like a BM using a scrolled Hinkel instead of a scrolled Nisrock.

The point is that making arrows atk work with Soul Arrow doesn't make it better than Shadow Claw... you still get way more +atk by carrying good stars than you do by carrying arrows. If Shadow Claw was +0 atk but didn't use stars, nobody would even use it.

The point is that making arrows atk work with Soul Arrow doesn't make it better than Shadow Claw... you still get way more +atk by carrying good stars than you do by carrying arrows. If Shadow Claw was +0 atk but didn't use stars, nobody would even use it.

Shadow Claw is +0 attack o_o You get the attack boost from the stars you're using up, not the skill itself. Soul Arrow gets the attack boost from the arrows you're (not) using up as well.

Yeah, but the above posts were talking about alternatives to doing the phantom seed quest.

oh right. my bad.

The point is that making arrows atk work with Soul Arrow doesn't make it better than Shadow Claw... you still get way more +atk by carrying good stars than you do by carrying arrows. If Shadow Claw was +0 atk but didn't use stars, nobody would even use it.

Considering one is a 2nd job skill lasts for quite a long time (5 minutes iirc) which now stacks with + attack arrows vs a 4th job skill lasting a full 2 minutes max. In its own rights for the purposes it serves, IMO soul arrow > soul star.

You can always buy soul arrows, but you cant just "buy" ilbis. Plus soul arrows doesn consume arrows thus doesnt require you to carry that many set. IMO, 4 slots of diamond arrows is good enough. That doesnt work with soul star.

Aya, it's 10 minutes, and you should only need 1 slot unless you get dispelled and don't notice for 5 minutes.

ITT: NLs suck it.

great fun! my range is over 3k now for the first time ever! yay for slowly dissipating my blood building!

We're all gonna check after the next patch to see if this still exists later F3

I don't know how you can compare soul arrow with shadow star. When NL's run out of stars its over. You have to go back to town and recharge. Archers can carry enough MP pots to last several lvls. Do you think an archer ever says to themselves, I wonder if I got enough mp pots to make it through zak? Do you see archers recharging after every single boss fight while everyone else waits for them?

I wondered that the other day, aya. Forgot to bring low healing MP potions, so I had to borrow a single stack of Mana Pills from my friend. They didn't last, I had to switch potions at the end.

Are you sure the damage is serverside not clientside? Seeing bigger numbers doesn't guarantee that its being registered by the server as doing more damage.

Will a 4 att increase have a noticable decrease in the time it takes to kill a pap? (Maybe testing second body with a constant kb).

Count me as a skeptic but this game has enough glitches.

Are you sure the damage is serverside not clientside? Seeing bigger numbers doesn't guarantee that its being registered by the server as doing more damage.

Will a 4 att increase have a noticable decrease in the time it takes to kill a pap? (Maybe testing second body with a constant kb).

Count me as a skeptic but this game has enough glitches.

Go run around killing stuff without attack arrows for a few minutes and then get some attack arrows, and try again. Tell me if you notice a difference in your maximum damage. I did.

Soul Arrow is and has always been better than Soul Star. I don't see how that's even an arguable point.

Just like Haste is better than Thrust, Dark Sight is better than Oak Barrel, etc.

Dark Sight is better than Oak Barrel

They're even to me.

I can pot in oak barrel, i can't in dark sight. :[

Go run around killing stuff without attack arrows for a few minutes and then get some attack arrows, and try again. Tell me if you notice a difference in your maximum damage. I did.

That doesn't say that much. Even if the damage shows it doesn't mean that you are really doing that much damage. It could very well appear that you do 99k damage to a snail, when in fact, you are doing 1-3 server sided.

Well...If you can prove it's not actually working - go ahead.

That doesn't say that much. Even if the damage shows it doesn't mean that you are really doing that much damage. It could very well appear that you do 99k damage to a snail, when in fact, you are doing 1-3 server sided.

There was a reason why I told him to go and test it himself. I am going to carry Diamond Arrows with me until someone proves it wrong... or it gets patched.

Well...If you can prove it's not actually working - go ahead.

Here's a reasonably controlled experiment:

Go pap. Any high leveled enough BM can solo pap. Just time it.

Control 1: With Soul Arrow and no attack arrows
Control 2: With Attack Arrows and no Soul Arrow

Test: With Attack Arrows and Soul Arrow.

Depending on which control the test matches, that is your answer.

4 attack won't make much of a difference, but it is plausible.


I was actually thinking of having someone who can't KB Pap without attack arrows try and KB him.

Not many people can test that, because there's only a few people who sit on that border.