4th job Corsair Bossing Build

Rapid Fire is less than 50% stronger than Burst Fire when maxed

Currently or post-KMST?

Does anyone wanna explain to me while Air strike is "such a nice skill to use"

I have level 1, almost never use it, and I do fine. I see it more of a nuisance as it aggros monsters, has a 5 second CD, and i just take unneccessary damage. It's better when they aren't aggro'd so i can freeze, get on my ship, and kill them.

For example, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FhvPlKtr2Q&fmt=18
It lets you take 2 platforms without having to climb all the time.

You leeched to 15x right?
That means it's pretty much useless now at level 1 for you, but for those of us who didn't leech, it's a godsend at the newties or Nightshadows before level 140.
I don't know how usefull it is after 140 but i'm sure it still has it's uses.
Right now i mostly use it to help my Bishop friend OHKO Skelegons on the platform right above the bottom.
I hardly train with him, but he says it helps alot if i Air Strike the few that spawn there.

Currently or post-KMST?

Burst Fire: 630%/690 ms = 913%/s
Rapid Fire (now): 160%/120 ms = 1333%/s (46% increase)
Rapid Fire (updated): 170%/120 ms = 1417%/s (55% increase)

Currently. But like, the updates just make one point in Rapid Fire more worth it because it'll actually outdamage Burst Fire without investing several levels of AP. The update to Battleship makes your ship break even less, so it's not like the 10% increase will do much. Battleship will probably be best to max after Cannon once the updates come.

Burst Fire: 630%/690 ms = 913%/s
Rapid Fire (now): 160%/120 ms = 1333%/s (46% increase)
Rapid Fire (updated): 170%/120 ms = 1417%/s (55% increase)

Currently. But like, the updates just make one point in Rapid Fire more worth it because it'll actually outdamage Burst Fire without investing several levels of AP. The update to Battleship makes your ship break even less, so it's not like the 10% increase will do much. Battleship will probably be best to max after Cannon once the updates come.

Mmmmmmmmmmm. Like i said when the KMST updates came, "They should have made rapid fire do 200-210% per bullet".

For example, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FhvPlKtr2Q&fmt=18
It lets you take 2 platforms without having to climb all the time.

You leeched to 15x right?
That means it's pretty much useless now at level 1 for you, but for those of us who didn't leech, it's a godsend at the newties or Nightshadows before level 140.
I don't know how usefull it is after 140 but i'm sure it still has it's uses.
Right now i mostly use it to help my Bishop friend OHKO Skelegons on the platform right above the bottom.
I hardly train with him, but he says it helps alot if i Air Strike the few that spawn there.

Okay, i'm getting sick and tired of all this flame-baiting leeching bullshit. I dont' use air strike. I leeched. I get 12m/hr on x1 at skeles. If you're doing air strike and getting 8m, then lol@u

Seriously, knock it off. I went boss build and decided that long ago cause my FP can't do pomegranate at bosses and always got shafted. I bet even with max air strike, i won't use it that much.

Okay, i'm getting sick and tired of all this flame-baiting leeching bullpomegranate. I dont' use air strike. I leeched. I get 12m/hr on x1 at skeles. If you're doing air strike and getting 8m, then lol@u

Seriously, knock it off. I went boss build and decided that long ago cause my FP can't do pomegranate at bosses and always got shafted. I bet even with max air strike, i won't use it that much.

I'm pretty sure he didn't mention you leeching with malicious intent, so there's really no need to go off on him like that.

Have you actually begun to play your Corsair? There's no such thing as being overly ship-reliant. You have no skills that make up for not having a ship. Even maxed Rapid Fire and Elemental Boost pale in comparison to Cannon and Torpedo. Half of playing a Corsair is knowing when to have your ship out and when to protect it.

I'll admit, I haven't extensively played my Corsair but I'm not completely clueless on it. Obviously I know about demounting, etc. But you have to account for human error and the fact that things can just spawn right on top of you. You can't count on human reaction to save your ship since I doubt anyone remains alert for a full 2x exp card.

You can tap shoot like Hurricane. It's actually better than Hurricane in terms of mobility because it actually shoots when you jump shot it. That doesn't make it an efficient means of killing things. Tap-shooting is something you do as a BM when you can blaze through a mob. Rapid Fire is weak. Corsairs can jump shot like a NL, which is far better than tapping anyway.

I wasn't referring to a BM's ability to plow through a mob, I was mearly using that example to show how Bowmasters get around the inability to jumpshoot with Hurricane. Tap shooting is basically the same concept then isn't it? Jump shooting is mostly used to keep moving while attacking, which is the same reason for tap shooting. I'd much rather tap-shoot with Rapid Fire than jump shoot with Burst Fire since Rapid Fire is still stronger. Plus, Rapid Fire's individual shots are weaker, meaning less bullet "waste" (ie. less overkill) since extra bullets will hit a nearby monster instead.

Cannon is exactly why low level Rapid Fire sucks. You already have one skill for damage, why get another skill for a half-assed damage boost that'll come into play about once every 15 minutes when training for 90 seconds? You shouldn't ever need Rapid Fire when your ship is active. At Pap and Pianus my ship already lasts a good 4 minutes or so, that number's only going to go up as I gain more levels.

Yes, low level Rapid Fire does suck, I'm not denying that. What do you plan to use in those 90 seconds? It may be "only" 90 seconds but a drop in killing speed can drop your overall exp gain by quite a bit.

Rapid Fire is less than 50% stronger than Burst Fire when maxed, not twice. Level 5 Rapid Fire is less than 1% stronger than Burst Fire. Totally not worth it.

My mistake about max Rapid.

Responses in quote.


I'm not saying Rapid Fire is amazing or anything, I just think it's the next best option after Cannon given our current content. (Though Bullseye is in less crowded servers).

Ice Splitter's range is still too short to take advantage of Battleship Torpedo so using it will only make your ship break faster. Plus, there aren't a lot of situations where Torpedo is better than Cannon. Raw numbers says its on 3 or more monsters, but Cannon is still a lot faster than Battleship Torpedo which means its less likely for you to get hit. Forming larger mobs is difficult for a Corsair since we don't have any grouping skill like Rush or Dragon Pulse.

Air Strike...I still don't see why people are suddenly adoring it. When I made my guide, I suggested an Air Strike after Cannon and I got a few requests to change it. It's usefulness is severely limited by its cooldown. Even if you can 2hko a mob of Skeles with Air Strike, Cannon will usually get the same job done in nearly the same amount of time.

If we get those KMS updates then I will definitely be getting Torpedo after Cannon. Level 10 ship is about +40k HP to the ship if I recall correctly, and Ice Splitter's new range is the same as Rapid/Burst fire, which isn't much shorter than Torpedo.

For example, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FhvPlKtr2Q&fmt=18
It lets you take 2 platforms without having to climb all the time.

You leeched to 15x right?
That means it's pretty much useless now at level 1 for you, but for those of us who didn't leech, it's a godsend at the newties or Nightshadows before level 140.
I don't know how usefull it is after 140 but i'm sure it still has it's uses.
Right now i mostly use it to help my Bishop friend OHKO Skelegons on the platform right above the bottom.
I hardly train with him, but he says it helps alot if i Air Strike the few that spawn there.

*rolls eyes*

You should get off his ass about leeching.

I posted that video a LONG time ago in my guide and the general consensus was that it's not a very effective training method.

I don't know about you but I'd much rather spend level 130-140 getting a better skill such as Torpedo, RF, or Bullseye and move out of Newties by level 14x. That training method used in that video looks incredibly slow. The spawn on the bottom slows down because she kills the Golems faster than she kills the Skeles. Once you max Cannon, your other skills really seem redundant because of just how powerful it is. Cannon can 2hko skeles around mid level 13x. That's a lot faster than that Peak training method. She uses about 4 Air Strikes to actually kill a mob of Skeles. That's about 20 seconds when Cannon can easily kill the same amount in less time. Plus, Air Strike hits 6 monsters max while there probably 10 Skeles or so on that platform.

Lol, you guys need to look at the whole picture. Bribery is right. I have, and still am following his guide.

And just because people leech, doesn't mean they don't know what skills do, or have an idea of what would be best.
Hop off his 8=D (smiley with sunglasses)

Okay, i'm getting sick and tired of all this flame-baiting leeching bullpomegranate. I dont' use air strike. I leeched. I get 12m/hr on x1 at skeles. If you're doing air strike and getting 8m, then lol@u

Seriously, knock it off. I went boss build and decided that long ago cause my FP can't do pomegranate at bosses and always got shafted. I bet even with max air strike, i won't use it that much.

You leeching isn't even the point.
No need to get butthurt about me mentioning it.

What i was tyring to say is that it's a good skill to have at level 1 in your 12x and even 13x.
You skipped level 120-150 and now complain about it being useless, so i'm pretty much saying it wasn't useless for the people who didn't leech.

One last thing, i'm from Europe and my english isn't that great.
I don't know why you think i was flame-baiting you, but please point out where i said something wrong.

EDIT:
To Bribery,
I'm not saying you are wrong or anything but look at his Cannon damage in that video.
That is not normal for a maxed Cannon at level 150.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is Tespia AKA a test server with sucky damage ranges.

You leeching isn't even the point.
No need to get butthurt about me mentioning it.

What i was tyring to say is that it's a good skill to have at level 1 in your 12x and even 13x.
You skipped level 120-150 and now complain about it being useless, so i'm pretty much saying it wasn't useless for the people who didn't leech.

One last thing, i'm from Europe and my english isn't that great.
I don't know why you think i was flame-baiting you, but please point out where i said something wrong.

EDIT:
To Bribery,
I'm not saying you are wrong or anything but look at his Cannon damage in that video.
That is not normal for a maxed Cannon at level 150.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is Tespia AKA a test server with sucky damage ranges.

Oh, I get what you were saying now. I thought you were trying to flame him for leeching.

Oh, I get what you were saying now. I thought you were trying to flame him for leeching.

Well like i said, english is not my main language.
I apologize if it seemed i was trying to flame him/her.

Sorry for the lacks of quotes. I'm not good as using them and I'm lazy.

@BriBery "Battleship limits your movement but that doesn't stop people from using it, does it?"

I don't agree with that at all. I'm sure most of us will agree that once you've taken care of what you're killing, you just dismount. Even while mounted, you hardly have any reason to move while attacking a monster. Same goes for Rapid Fire.

"If a level 15x Corsair's ship breaks that often then there's no way a lower level one can handle bottom without slowing down the spawn/exp."

Did you forget that his Torpedo was only in its teens? Its not very powerful and can hardly be accounted for...I personally would like to see you take the bottom platform of Skeles MD with no mob skills.

@ShinyGrovyle : "You skipped level 120-150 and now complain about it being useless, so i'm pretty much saying it wasn't useless for the people who didn't leech."

I for one, didn't leech and I still leveled quite fast even taking a month break. By the time the new Night Shadows maps was out, I was already level 128ish(stop training) and the needs for Aerial Strike was never mentioned. I only used level 1 Aerial Strike to mob monsters on platforms above me so I can kill them with Cannon.

@ShinyGrovyle : "You skipped level 120-150 and now complain about it being useless, so i'm pretty much saying it wasn't useless for the people who didn't leech."

I for one, didn't leech and I still leveled quite fast even taking a month break. By the time the new Night Shadows maps was out, I was already level 128ish(stop training) and the needs for Aerial Strike was never mentioned. I only used level 1 Aerial Strike to mob monsters on platforms above me so I can kill them with Cannon.

Well didn't you mention on basil you never took the bottom at the newties?
If you stand in the bottom right at the newties you can kill 3 with Torpedo, and then hit the newties on the 2nd platform with Air Strike while you wait for the bottom 3 to respawn.

That's mainly how i trained and Air Strike was such a huge help in my opinion.
When we got the Nightshadow map i found out Air Strike is pretty good there too.
It's still one of my favorite maps to train in and you pretty much need Air Strike.

But of course everyone can have their own opinion.

Well didn't you mention on basil you never took the bottom at the newties?
If you stand in the bottom right at the newties you can kill 3 with Torpedo, and then hit the newties on the 2nd platform with Air Strike while you wait for the bottom 3 to respawn.

That's mainly how i trained and Air Strike was such a huge help in my opinion.
When we got the Nightshadow map i found out Air Strike is pretty good there too.
It's still one of my favorite maps to train in and you pretty much need Air Strike.

But of course everyone can have their own opinion.

I was probably the first on basil to mention that I did kill at the bottom right. I mentioned how using Aerial Strike killed the bottom's spawn because it doesn't kill the nest Golems fast enough. I just never bothered to Recoil to the middle of the bottom to Aerial Strike all 5 of them. Honestly, that didn't help me at all. Before the spawn gets messed up, all it did was make me feel like I was actually owning when I really wasn't. Idk what to say about Night Shadows because as i mentioned, I never needed to train there.

You leeching isn't even the point.
No need to get butthurt about me mentioning it.

What i was tyring to say is that it's a good skill to have at level 1 in your 12x and even 13x.
You skipped level 120-150 and now complain about it being useless, so i'm pretty much saying it wasn't useless for the people who didn't leech.

One last thing, i'm from Europe and my english isn't that great.
I don't know why you think i was flame-baiting you, but please point out where i said something wrong.

EDIT:
To Bribery,
I'm not saying you are wrong or anything but look at his Cannon damage in that video.
That is not normal for a maxed Cannon at level 150.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is Tespia AKA a test server with sucky damage ranges.

I skipped level 120~150? I trained my ass off those levels. I have very limited training time and have to fully optimize the x2 events to get to my current level (154).

Everytime I use air strike, it just aggros skeles. By the time I kill my plat, air strike hasn't killed the top plat yet. I go up there, and theyre blasting me with 3.5ks. If i don't use air strike, I go up there, freeze, and only take bump damage or nothing. Wipe them all out in <5 seconds with torpedo.

ice, canon, torpedo = all I need to train with. When ship is down, rapid fire, occasional flame thrower for mob, and ice is all I need. I only use AS for lols and octo but they tend to just get in the way.

Until air strike actually makes a difference in my training, then whatever. So far, I haven't seen a single good point of getting AS when canon/torpedo can do the same job, and better. It's like telling F/Ps to go mist grims when they can go mist skelegons.

Well didn't you mention on basil you never took the bottom at the newties?
If you stand in the bottom right at the newties you can kill 3 with Torpedo, and then hit the newties on the 2nd platform with Air Strike while you wait for the bottom 3 to respawn.

You can kill the 3 of them with Cannon too. That's how I train usually. I never thought of using Air Strike to hit the monsters above me though, because I usually have a party member up there.

I haven't even put a point into Air Strike yet.

I will though. Only 1. For now.

I don't have Air Strike, and only level 1 Torpedo and can train fine.

Like I said before, it's easy to survive at skeles with just Cannon alone. Although Torpedo would help to kill the very bottom.

Pumping points into Air Strike after Cannon is already out of the picture for me. The choices now are Rapidfire or Torpedo. More then likely I will be pumping them into Torpedo, at least till it's lvl 21.

Reasons being:

- What Bribery said about KMS Updates (I have a feeling we will be getting them soon )
- It does help to kill major ass mobs faster, not having to re-freeze monsters as much as you would have to with Cannon
- Rapidfire doesn't make that much of a difference compared to Burst fire, and you can't really notice a difference till its late stages.
- Air Strike may kill monsters without having you to climb, but it also slows down the pace at the same time, resulting in time wasted, and less damage being done.


That's how I see it all.

I skipped level 120~150? I trained my ass off those levels. I have very limited training time and have to fully optimize the x2 events to get to my current level (154).

Everytime I use air strike, it just aggros skeles. By the time I kill my plat, air strike hasn't killed the top plat yet. I go up there, and theyre blasting me with 3.5ks. If i don't use air strike, I go up there, freeze, and only take bump damage or nothing. Wipe them all out in <5 seconds with torpedo.

ice, canon, torpedo = all I need to train with. When ship is down, rapid fire, occasional flame thrower for mob, and ice is all I need. I only use AS for lols and octo but they tend to just get in the way.

Until air strike actually makes a difference in my training, then whatever. So far, I haven't seen a single good point of getting AS when canon/torpedo can do the same job, and better. It's like telling F/Ps to go mist grims when they can go mist skelegons.

Well you did mention you leeched and you are 15x.
I assumed you mainly leeched to 15x

But i highly doubt you went to the Skelegons at your low 12x since Cannon doesn't kill them fast enough.
As i also said before, yes Air Strike loses its funciont the higher you level.
At 14x i doubt i'm going to use it myself either.

At the moment i only use Air Strike at the Skelegons when my ship is down, or to help my Bishop training partner kill Skelegons in 1 hit.
I hardly train with him, but he's hitting 7xk on Skelegons and said it helps alot if i clear them up with Air Strike every now and then.

But really, i don't see why Air Strike is such a bad skill.
While you wait for monsters to respawn (like i mention when you take the bottom att he newties) you might aswell do some extra damage to the monsters a platform above you.
This of course isn't a good idea to try at the Skelegons.

I'm just talking about that 1 point in Air Strike by the way.
Perhaps that should clear up alot, i'm not telling people to max Air Strike over Cannon, Torpedo and Rapid Fire or anything.

Just so we are clear on this:
I don't use Air Strike at the Skelegons as a normal, regular attack.
I started training on Skelegons around level 13x and only used Air Strike in almost any non-Skelegon map.

You can kill the 3 of them with Cannon too. That's how I train usually. I never thought of using Air Strike to hit the monsters above me though, because I usually have a party member up there.

I haven't even put a point into Air Strike yet.

I will though. Only 1. For now.

I don't have Air Strike, and only level 1 Torpedo and can train fine.

Like I said before, it's easy to survive at skeles with just Cannon alone. Although Torpedo would help to kill the very bottom.

Pumping points into Air Strike after Cannon is already out of the picture for me. The choices now are Rapidfire or Torpedo. More then likely I will be pumping them into Torpedo, at least till it's lvl 21.

Reasons being:

- What Bribery said about KMS Updates (I have a feeling we will be getting them soon )
- It does help to kill major ass mobs faster, not having to re-freeze monsters as much as you would have to with Cannon
- Rapidfire doesn't make that much of a difference compared to Burst fire, and you can't really notice a difference till its late stages.
- Air Strike may kill monsters without having you to climb, but it also slows down the pace at the same time, resulting in time wasted, and less damage being done.


That's how I see it all.

That's true, but i found Torpedo to be faster compared to Cannon at the low 12x.
Not to mention Torpedo needs 1 point, and Cannon alot more to come close to Torpedo's damage on just 3 monsters.

At first i wanted to get Air Strike after the bossing skills for my zakum solo, but i already threw that idea out of the window because of our new Skelegon mini dungeon.
Torpedo is going to help alot more for sure.
The dungeon is do-able with a OHKOing Bishop once you can 2-hit them, but i'm sure Torpedo is going to help alot.

One of my Corsair buddys re-made his Corsair a few days ago.
He mentioned going for a Torpedo-first build just for this dungeon.

I only don't really agree with your last point against Air Strike, but i kinda want to drop this discussion.
All i do know is that i won't get Rapid Fire anytime soon, but i'm getting Torpedo early on now.
Rapid Fire looks like a total waste now.

Well you did mention you leeched and you are 15x.
I assumed you mainly leeched to 15x

Doubt he did. He would be able to level faster by himself.

But really, i don't see why Air Strike is such a bad skill.
While you wait for monsters to respawn (like i mention when you take the bottom att he newties) you might aswell do some extra damage to the monsters a platform above you.
This of course isn't a good idea to try at the Skelegons.

It isn't a bad skill, just not worth it to max early on, not even later on really.

I'm just talking about that 1 point in Air Strike by the way.
Perhaps that should clear up alot, i'm not telling people to max Air Strike over Cannon, Torpedo and Rapid Fire or anything.

Of course not, there are way better skills. This is the impression you gave me earlier on in the thread though.


This thread has become quite popular in the Pirate Section. Lmfao.

Doubt he did. He would be able to level faster by himself.


It isn't a bad skill, just not worth it to max early on, not even later on really.


Of course not, there are way better skills. This is the impression you gave me earlier on in the thread though.


This thread has become quite popular in the Pirate Section. Lmfao.

Yea true, but you never know with those people in maple global these days...
I still see level 140+ characters trying to buy leech.
Yesterday a level 12x Bowmaster even asked a 11x Warrior if he could buy headless horseman leech.
Seriously, what the hell?

In my opinion, Air Strike is an amazing skill.
It's just that other skills have a much higher priority.

My bad once again.
I doubt i have to repeat myself but once again, english is not my main language.

Yea true, but you never know with those people in maple global these days...
I still see level 140+ characters trying to buy leech.
Yesterday a level 12x Bowmaster even asked a 11x Warrior if he could buy headless horseman leech.
Seriously, what the hell?

In my opinion, Air Strike is an amazing skill.
It's just that other skills have a much higher priority.

My bad once again.
I doubt i have to repeat myself but once again, english is not my main language.

Ya there's alot of high levels that buy leech in my server. Kind of sad. I can see if you leech to 120, but to 15x~16x, that is laaaaaaazzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyy.