2nd HT Pendant + Egg is now possible.

Ressurect solves most of the problems. Just kill the buyer, rez them, then get a pirate to reset rez.

This is such an unrealistic scenario. People always say something like this is an option, but it isn't. No one will ever do that, and it'd be too hard to do anyway. Having to bring all those Time Leaps just to continually revive the player the entire run? Yeah...it will never happen.

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That should stop all this theorizing.

Hmm... this makes me wonder:

Karma on HTP. Means the HTP can go anywhere and the person can redo the egg quest.

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Guilds selling HTPs and eggs can:

1) Get a "HTP mule."
2) Get a HTP, finish Egg quest for the first time.
3) Karma the HTP. Sell it in FM.

4) Reloot on the "HTP mule"
5) The 2nd Egg quest can pop up... do the quest
6) Obtain another stone...
7) Sell the HTP reloot (clean) in FM
8) OTHER people can Karma their HTPs to the "HTP mule"
9) have the mule scroll the saved Stone onto the HTP
10) Karma it back to the OTHER person (original owner)

11) Repeat steps 4-10

OR

4) Reloot on the "HTP mule"
5) The 2nd Egg quest can pop up... do the quest
6) Obtain another stone...
7) Scroll the HTP reloot
8) Karma to sell it in FM

9) Repeat 4-8

Makes selling pends simpler than ever before...

By the way, how did you get the quest to work without dropping your HTP?

That isn't me and idk.

Somehow I think Nexon figured with these changes they were just gonna kill 2 birds with one stone. Guilds can no longer hold the HT cave, and it'll defintely encourage guilds to keep using scissors to sell pendants.

But extra stones have no effect now whatsoever on already scrolled pends.

That should stop all this theorizing.

so whats the story there? had he chaosed the first slot on the HTP? and it did not allow it because the HTP did not have 3 slots? or did he manage to get a 2nd stone while still having a HTP (scrolled with stone) in his inv?

Basically you can't scroll a 2nd stone on a pendant with 1 stone already on it.

Someone else confirmed this on SW too.

Basically you can't scroll a 2nd stone on a pendant with 1 stone already on it.

Someone else confirmed this on SW too.

Until the scissors come out, that picture proves nothing. We still need to see if it's possible to egg it on a different account.

Until the scissors come out, that picture proves nothing. We still need to see if it's possible to egg it on a different account.

Um, what?

This is how it works

You have a HT pendant

You try to scroll it with the dragon stone

Game checks:

- If no stone has been used on it, process the request and allow the scroll to be used
- If a stone has been used on it, deny the request and do not allow the scroll to be used

As long as it's clean or it hasn't had a dragon stone on it (Used chaos for example), then you can use the stone. I don't see how that's hard to understand from the picture.

Um, what?

This is how it works

You have a HT pendant

You try to scroll it with the dragon stone

Game checks:

- If no stone has been used on it, process the request and allow the scroll to be used
- If a stone has been used on it, deny the request and do not allow the scroll to be used

As long as it's clean or it hasn't had a dragon stone on it (Used chaos for example), then you can use the stone. I don't see how that's hard to understand from the picture.

This is how supposedly people from jMS (or was it kMS) were able to scroll the same HT pendant multiple times:

1. Karma Scissor it
2. Move it to another account that can do the egg quest
3. Game does not register the pendant as already scrolled because it's been transferred between accounts, thus it's possible to scroll it again
4. Use Karma Scissors in between transfers so it's possible to move it back and forth, eventually back to the original owner

Right now the game lets you remake your pendant on the same account. That's all that it does, and is easy to keep track of. Somehow in other versions with Karma Scissors, by transferring the pendant to a different account, it is entirely possible to use Nine Spirit's Egg on the 2nd and 3rd slots, provided it gets moved again to yet another account to scroll.

Game checks:

- If no stone has been used on it, process the request and allow the scroll to be used
- If a stone has been used on it, deny the request and do not allow the scroll to be used

As long as it's clean or it hasn't had a dragon stone on it (Used chaos for example), then you can use the stone. I don't see how that's hard to understand from the picture.

Has anyone tried using it on a Chaos'd pend? What if the game checks the number of slots left to determine? Then people who chaos'd before egging are screwed?

By the way, how did you get the quest to work without dropping your HTP?

not having a HTP isnt a quest requirement. as far as i can tell from the data, you can redo the quest as long as you got an egg.

2 major things to point out--seduce list now follows the exact order of entry to the map--once one person enters a map all are teleported--kinda hard to know the order of entry?... this also means buyers now cannot sit safely in the pre-caves </3

pretty big hits to an already weakened system with the release of the MoN pendants...

im curious to see how it resolves or is worked around!

Wait this is really true?

Has anyone tried using it on a Chaos'd pend? What if the game checks the number of slots left to determine? Then people who chaos'd before egging are screwed?

people have used chaos scrolls on pendants before and they still used eggs after they got the stats they wanted w/choas and clean pendant. It doesnt check the slots left stat...

Can you use Karma Scissors on a locked item? o.O

Get like... 5 mules, and then hit the reactors with them. >_>
That's all you can do about it...
Ressurect solves most of the problems. Just kill the buyer, rez them, then get a pirate to reset rez.

This will be a major blow to the time it takes to kill HT though, as 5 mules are needed to summon the thing, Bishops and Time Leap are needed to continually rez the buyer to keep him/her in the map... I smell the inevitable inflation on the pendant prices. Though this might not be a problem with Karma scissors, as sellers can just sell them in FM using the Karma scissors and then there'd be no sense in bringing buyers to loot...

wouldn't it be more efficient to bring 4 bishops, 1 4th job brawler(forgot what they're called) and one buyer? that nets you 8 rezzes instead of 5 also bishops are more abundant that 4th job pirates

This is how supposedly people from jMS (or was it kMS) were able to scroll the same HT pendant multiple times:

1. Karma Scissor it
2. Move it to another account that can do the egg quest
3. Game does not register the pendant as already scrolled because it's been transferred between accounts, thus it's possible to scroll it again
4. Use Karma Scissors in between transfers so it's possible to move it back and forth, eventually back to the original owner

Right now the game lets you remake your pendant on the same account. That's all that it does, and is easy to keep track of. Somehow in other versions with Karma Scissors, by transferring the pendant to a different account, it is entirely possible to use Nine Spirit's Egg on the 2nd and 3rd slots, provided it gets moved again to yet another account to scroll.

Well that's jms. Does anyone know if they get the same message as us? Nexon coulda altered it already to prevent 2nd egg to happen.

This is such an unrealistic scenario. People always say something like this is an option, but it isn't. No one will ever do that, and it'd be too hard to do anyway. Having to bring all those Time Leaps just to continually revive the player the entire run? Yeah...it will never happen.

At least it's not as bad as Devil's 6 Bucc constant Demolition.

This is how supposedly people from jMS (or was it kMS) were able to scroll the same HT pendant multiple times:

1. Karma Scissor it
2. Move it to another account that can do the egg quest
3. Game does not register the pendant as already scrolled because it's been transferred between accounts, thus it's possible to scroll it again
4. Use Karma Scissors in between transfers so it's possible to move it back and forth, eventually back to the original owner

Right now the game lets you remake your pendant on the same account. That's all that it does, and is easy to keep track of. Somehow in other versions with Karma Scissors, by transferring the pendant to a different account, it is entirely possible to use Nine Spirit's Egg on the 2nd and 3rd slots, provided it gets moved again to yet another account to scroll.

That's JMS. JMS has a history of being very "pineapple game balance let's make cool stuff." IIRC, you don't have to do any fancy Karma Scissors tricks, you just get another egg and trade it for another scroll.

I don't think we'll ever get the 3 eggs. Showa came to other versions before it got to us. The 3 eggs things doesn't appear to have caught on in other versions, and I doubt we'll have it here.

This is how supposedly people from jMS (or was it kMS) were able to scroll the same HT pendant multiple times:

1. Karma Scissor it
2. Move it to another account that can do the egg quest
3. Game does not register the pendant as already scrolled because it's been transferred between accounts, thus it's possible to scroll it again
4. Use Karma Scissors in between transfers so it's possible to move it back and forth, eventually back to the original owner

Right now the game lets you remake your pendant on the same account. That's all that it does, and is easy to keep track of. Somehow in other versions with Karma Scissors, by transferring the pendant to a different account, it is entirely possible to use Nine Spirit's Egg on the 2nd and 3rd slots, provided it gets moved again to yet another account to scroll.

jMS has a quest to repeat gaining egg's

jMS don't even have karma scissors so your info is invalid.

I'm pretty sure kms still has +1 unless you can prove otherwise with a valid screen.

delete double post.

wrong post