A Word About Hackers, Programmers and MapleStory

Hackers can fix things too you know. :f6: Sometimes breaking the game/program/server/whatever is a good thing.

vindeed, that was the original purpose of a hacker back in the old days. The hacker would catch exploits or w/e in a program so the authors of the software can patch it up before public release.

More like grapes and boats.

Haha. Nice reference.

@ above
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6826

Wow that is kind of sad that people are so ignorant that they are striking down the pursuit of knowledge as cheating. But thanks for the warning none the less.

I don't know if it will help but can you replace programming with your major/work name (such as for me instead of saying "I'm a programmer" I can say "I'm a Computer Science major"). Then again having to hide your a programmer is lame.

What im trying to understand is the logic behind expelling an old guild made, breaking contact with him, and taking drastic measures such as threatening jr.masters, just because you heard that he goes to hacking forums.

I've had to deal with similar issues on Mardia, where people assume just because you know the structure of a .wz file and how the game works and al the other esoteric reverse engineering stuff that you're abusing it in some way.

It's just another misguided form of prejudice with the sickest irony being that most of the "hackers" out there actually don't even have any of those skills - they're either using programs or files released by other people who do.

Hackers can fix things too you know. :f6: Sometimes breaking the game/program/server/whatever is a good thing.

To revert to the original 3-way split, there are
White hat hackers, who hack to test security programs and weaknesses in programs so they can be fixed
Black hat hackers, who hack for personal gain
Red hat hackers, who hack for fun

Only thing about it I think, is why do we have to have people calling the script kiddies hackers, and assuming that they make the third party programs they use themselves. It just annoys me so much when I hear a person making that assumption. Seriously, those kids that use third party programs in MS are just brain damaged. They aren't smart... just really really really stupid...

Going by similar logic used in what I described, a person could say that a normal person that plays MS must have coded MS themselves, because they use it. No different to saying a person must have written a third party program in MS because they used it, right?

Seriously... that's just how stupid it sounds to me.

I try to refer to people in-game as script kiddies if they're using them. :/


I would think that you should just use a different forum name and not have your info listed if you're going to surf. Meh. Being on BM doesn't make you a noob - being on CEF doesn't make you a hacker.

*Am I the only one thinking this should have gone into one of the Social subforums? :X*

I don't see the difference between hacking the game with a script you made yourself or one you got from someone else.

You are still "hacking" the game and making it do things it wasn't intended to do.

The difference is that the hackers actually make the script where as script kiddies just "copy/paste", so to speak, to hack the game. :X

As Takebacker said...

Hacker is a compliment anyway. :f6: Too bad idiots butchered the meaning of the word ever since they lent their codes to the public.

If you are going be pedantic and push the meaning then you have to say a "real" hacker must write their own OS(cant use a "tool" someone else developed and coded now can you), make their own PC (processor and all), etc etc ...

Script kiddies download pre-made packages. They're a joke, and have to wait for releases.

The people that write the hacks generally know basic programming.

Not all programmers write hacks (in fact, most of them have much better things to do with their time than to hack a game), and to suspect that someone with programming experience, hacks, is absurd.

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CEF, though, is somewhat suspicious. Even so, you should be given a chance to explain yourself though. It's rather rotten of that junior to kick you without warning.

vindeed, that was the original purpose of a hacker back in the old days. The hacker would catch exploits or w/e in a program so the authors of the software can patch it up before public release.

Old days? I figured stuff like that wouldn't ever stop happening. Even after public release, there's still stuff like pwn2own that fixes the rest of the major bugs. Though i don't think pwn2own is very effective, since it's only a 1 bug per OS kind of deal, since that 1 bug would probably lead them to victory. Whereas pre-release there's people catching handfuls of major exploits.

Haha. Nice reference.

@ above
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6826

Seemed appropriate to me.

To revert to the original 3-way split, there are
White hat hackers, who hack to test security programs and weaknesses in programs so they can be fixed
Black hat hackers, who hack for personal gain
Red hat hackers, who hack for fun

I've never really considered red hat an option really. I've never really heard of a red hat that hasn't hacked for either of the other sides. To me, white hats are either paid to test stuff or do it for fun (OS beta testers?), so i just lumped red hats in with the blacks. I don't really see a difference. But what do i know? I'm just a newb programmer.

"Red hats" (first time I heard this term before) are white hats IMHO, because they don't mean any harm.

This thread is so pointless. You are pissed from being expelled from your friends guild. Pits of Hell Section Please.

No pomegranate people are going to think you hack maplestory if you tell them you are a programmer, or visit hacking forums.

I personally don't think you are a hacker, but if you told me you visited hacking forums, and are a programmer in real life, and I saw you doing something fishy, I would think you were.

If you are right, you are right. Let people believe what they want.

If you are wrong, you are wrong, and just shut up about it.

And ns hackers in maplestory aren't real programmers. Not even the proest ones are.

A real programmer wouldn't waste his time on this game. He would be out making a living.

Even when someone realises that the kids from CEF aren't hackers, you still have no idea what Hackers are.
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Just two things:

- One: Getting kicked out of a guild you're in for more then a year without any conversation with the leader of the guild why he wants to kick you is plain stupid.
If that's the way of a guild leader to treat his guild members, you shouldn't even want to be in such a retarded guild...

- Two:

If programmers didnt exist, we were still stuck in the 19th century, living in buildings made out of wood and farming for money.

Uhm, don't get me wrong, but don't you think a bit too high of programmers & yourself?

The world would be quite ok, without any programmer living in it...

You talk about them like they're some sort of uber humans, saviours of the human race, who stand above humanity... really... wutlol? xD

- Two:Uhm, don't get me wrong, but don't you think a bit too high of programmers & yourself?

The world would be quite ok, without any programmer living in it...

You talk about them like they're some sort of uber humans, saviours of the human race, who stand above humanity... really... wutlol? xD

Okay, we could survive without it, but it's so useful! Do you realise how many things actually required programmers to make?

I don't see the difference between hacking the game with a script you made yourself or one you got from someone else.

You are still "hacking" the game and making it do things it wasn't intended to do.

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By saying they wrote it themselves, that's implying they are smart. And that is a compliment to them when they are nothing more than stupid little script kiddies. Some people don't like hearing stupid people being called smart.

Script kiddies in general cannot patch the hacks they're using. They need to wait for someone to do it for them, and leech it. A script kiddy would go around "plz make me an auto clicker" while a hacker would try to figure out how to do one.

Red hat hackers are somewhat now being considered to be gray hat hackers. They're the so-called ethic hackers, and many of them exists. Lots of them work for security companies, identifying flaws in various softwares/systems as a security service to customers. I know a few of them myself. These labels, black, white and gray are somewhat analogous to testing terms also.

More like grapes and boats.

But, to me, there is no difference really. They essentially ARE the same thing, but what they DO is different. Even if they can do/are doing the same kind of task.

Not really. A hacker's a subgroup of programmer. Not vice versa.

It's like that you have a gun, you can use it to protect people, to kill people, or play it for fun.