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You are literally complaning that the lightsaber duel wasn't the same as a 63 year old trained Jedi Master against a 40 something Sith Lord compared to a Fallen Padawan with a hole on his torso from a Crossbow that literally sent stormtroopers away using a cross guard unstable lightsaber against a girl with nothing but The Force and some basic -staff- training? Okay fine, let's ignore all the context, why not.

There is no middle ground on the Kylo Ren actor though, I liked a lot how he wasn't the perfect villain just yet and that he wasn't a model.

No where in the movie, for any lightsaber use, that it wasn't used as a cleaver. The context you're trying to shove as an excuse is genuinely irrelevant. Honestly the fact he WAS wounded (which was more along his hip), what do you swing with, your hips man, he SHOULD have been a lighter striker.

Anakin was ANGRY, Luke was ARROGANT, Kylo is EMO, really, really bad choice, maybe I've watched too much naruto

Anakin was ANGRY, Luke was ARROGANT, Kylo is EMO, really, really bad choice, maybe I've watched too much naruto

I will give up on this franchise the day we see a duel with 50foot tall force ghosts against a mystical 100foot tall beast.

I gotta say man, you are also trying so hard to hate the duel. It wasn't going to be a perfect vs., that was the entire point to it.

I will give up on this franchise the day we see a duel with 50foot tall force ghosts against a mystical 100foot tall beast.

I gotta say man, you are also trying so hard to hate the duel. It wasn't going to be a perfect vs., that was the entire point to it.

I disagree, as it was consistent with the entire movie, the guy literally just has to 'complete' his training, what, was the last step of his training is not to wield his lightsaber like Cloud from final fantasy?

I disagree, as it was consistent with the entire movie, the guy literally just has to 'complete' his training, what, was the last step of his training is not to wield his lightsaber like Cloud from final fantasy?

Part of the reality here is that the prop sabers used ARE heavy. The weighting is obviously completely different than a real sword, but not trivial. Abrams opted to use very similar sword fight choreography to the OT and the old props themselves. Go back and watch those movies and you'll see tons of huge two handed swings. If you disliked those fights, I bow to your consistency. The fast swipes you see from Ben v Vader are the mark of masters testing each other for weaknesses.

I agree with a lot of the criticism here, but the reality is we just don't know the extent of KR's training with Luke or Snoke. Would it be dumb to let him run around while he's this wimpy instead of Luke beat him without even touching a lightsaber? Definitely, but possible.

As a villain, I agree that KR is pretty lacking. His motivation for joining the dark side is thin at best, but this is a chronic problem with Star Wars films. The Sith are either uniformly evil for evil reasons like Sidius and Maul or come across as whiny, angsty brats. KR apparently wants to be his grandfather, but WHY??? No one knows. If Snoke turns out to be Plagious, there's some real potential to add depth to a villain's back story.

Overall, I can't help but think of this as half a movie. It just doesn't stand up on it's own two legs. I think there's a decent possibility that VIII and even IX may prop it up in a lot of important ways.

Part of the reality here is that the prop sabers used ARE heavy. The weighting is obviously completely different than a real sword, but not trivial. Abrams opted to use very similar sword fight choreography to the OT and the old props themselves. Go back and watch those movies and you'll see tons of huge two handed swings. If you disliked those fights, I bow to your consistency. The fast swipes you see from Ben v Vader are the mark of masters testing each other for weaknesses.

I agree with a lot of the criticism here, but the reality is we just don't know the extent of KR's training with Luke or Snoke. Would it be dumb to let him run around while he's this wimpy instead of Luke beat him without even touching a lightsaber? Definitely, but possible.

As a villain, I agree that KR is pretty lacking. His motivation for joining the dark side is thin at best, but this is a chronic problem with Star Wars films. The Sith are either uniformly evil for evil reasons like Sidius and Maul or come across as whiny, angsty brats. KR apparently wants to be his grandfather, but WHY??? No one knows. If Snoke turns out to be Plagious, there's some real potential to add depth to a villain's back story.

Overall, I can't help but think of this as half a movie. It just doesn't stand up on it's own two legs. I think there's a decent possibility that VIII and even IX may prop it up in a lot of important ways.

Every lightsaber fight his two handed, but I don't remember a single lightsaber fight that had such CLUNKY styles to it. You can link me to a couple but most light saber fights are two handed, and are more for initial strike, to secondary strike whichi s the intended strike to wound. That just wasn't in this movie, it was just thwacking eachothers swords, the other fights have twirling, angled swipes, all I remember is these heavy perpendicular cleaves.

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EDIT: I'm rewatching the new movie as we speak, literally the last action sequence is him trying to CUT through her saber while..she tries to fence with it? I'm a little more forgiving towards rei though, since she literally has no training

It's performed to show his anger and arrogance. He wants to show that he can completely overpower her. While the light saber itself has practically no weight (in universe) the user can apply force themselves to overpower the other.
Rey on the other hand has absolutely no experience with a light saber and uses a staff, which would typically take advantage of its longer range with thrusts.

Light saber fights switch between one and two handed all the time.

I have never seen any lightsaber fight where the person tried to CHOP through someone elses lightsaber, reading this though, it makes sense;

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I have never seen any lightsaber fight where the person tried to CHOP through someone elses lightsaber, reading this though, it makes sense;

 This is a spoiler, do not read if you dont want to be spoiled

Fricking unstable lightsaber man! Fallen Jedi and all that.

It also mentions that his fighting form is unknown to the galaxy.

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If that is official info, it is of interesting note the mention of more Snoke apprentices.

Also, it is never mentioned in the movie Kylo Ren's intentions as being a dark side user. Here it clearly says how he believes it's his birth right.
Good stuff, if true.

Fricking unstable lightsaber man! Fallen Jedi and all that.

It also mentions that his fighting form is unknown to the galaxy.

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If that is official info, it is of interesting note the mention of more Snoke apprentices.

Also, it is never mentioned in the movie Kylo Ren's intentions as being a dark side user. Here it clearly says how he believes it's his birth right.
Good stuff, if true.

spoiler is never said, but considering his obsession, i think it was heavily implied.

Just saw the movie tonight with the family and we all thought it was ok. Seemed there was quite a bit left to be desired.

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I was already spoiled by Han's death, because a couple YT channels I'm subbed to thought it'd be funny to spoil his death after getting super salty over a video game, but I found it funny when people tried to play it off as a lot of people died when really the only noteworthy one was him.

There's a theory about Kylo Ren, and I extended it with my own ideas of what's going to happen IF the theory has any truth in it:

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Remember when Kylo Ren/Ben Solo talks to Vaders helmet, "I'm going to finish... what you started." Most people assume this means he wants to become the next Vader. Doesn't make much sense, surely Leia and Han must've told him how Vader returned to the "light side"? Well, there's theor(ies) that by finishing what Vader started, he means killing Snoke (Plagueis?), just like Vader killed Sidious and bringing true balance to the force. He knows (or assumes) Snoke is weak, but he had to turn to the dark side to get himself where Snoke is. This is why he's feeling "torn apart" and constantly trying to keep the light side from showing through and trying to fuel the dark side with rage.

This is why he's having conflicting feelings before killing Han. Maybe he is actually able to get inside Han's mind there (he obviously has that ability) and tell him his true mission. This is why he says thank you to Han after piercing him with his lightsaber.

Now here's what I believe if that theory is true (and it does have a lot of holes in it): Kylo Ren is underestimating Snoke's knowledge of the force (doesn't realize that he's actually the most powerful Sith there has ever been). Snoke has foreseen Kylos plans and after asking for the First Order to bring Kylo to him, he's going to slaughter him in EP8. "Kylo Ren, your training is finished..." *tortures with force lightning to death*

After this it will be up to Ren, Finn, Luke and others to destroy Snoke and the First Order.

There's a theory about Kylo Ren, and I extended it with my own ideas of what's going to happen IF the theory has any truth in it:

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Remember when Kylo Ren/Ben Solo talks to Vaders helmet, "I'm going to finish... what you started." Most people assume this means he wants to become the next Vader. Doesn't make much sense, surely Leia and Han must've told him how Vader returned to the "light side"? Well, there's theor(ies) that by finishing what Vader started, he means killing Snoke (Plagueis?), just like Vader killed Sidious and bringing true balance to the force. He knows (or assumes) Snoke is weak, but he had to turn to the dark side to get himself where Snoke is. This is why he's feeling "torn apart" and constantly trying to keep the light side from showing through and trying to fuel the dark side with rage.

This is why he's having conflicting feelings before killing Han. Maybe he is actually able to get inside Han's mind there (he obviously has that ability) and tell him his true mission. This is why he says thank you to Han after piercing him with his lightsaber.

Now here's what I believe if that theory is true (and it does have a lot of holes in it): Kylo Ren is underestimating Snoke's knowledge of the force (doesn't realize that he's actually the most powerful Sith there has ever been). Snoke has foreseen Kylos plans and after asking for the First Order to bring Kylo to him, he's going to slaughter him in EP8. "Kylo Ren, your training is finished..." *tortures with force lightning to death*

After this it will be up to Ren, Finn, Luke and others to destroy Snoke and the First Order.

I like the idea for it's complexity.

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While there's certainly a lot of similarity between Anakin/Vader and Ben/Kylo, I don't think anyone really wants another Vader. Turning KR into a unlawful good type has it's merits. I would love to see them bring back the prophecy as well, but with a new (or rather old but not Lucas approved) interpretation. KR could balance the force by learning both sides and thus defeat the last Sith, Snoke. I could see him sacrificing his father for this, which nicely contrasts with Anakin's unwillingness to sacrifice Padme, especially if he gets telepathic approval.

I'd love to see this kind of complex motivation for turning dark, but it seems unlikely as hell.

There's a theory about Kylo Ren, and I extended it with my own ideas of what's going to happen IF the theory has any truth in it:

 Spoiler

Remember when Kylo Ren/Ben Solo talks to Vaders helmet, "I'm going to finish... what you started." Most people assume this means he wants to become the next Vader. Doesn't make much sense, surely Leia and Han must've told him how Vader returned to the "light side"? Well, there's theor(ies) that by finishing what Vader started, he means killing Snoke (Plagueis?), just like Vader killed Sidious and bringing true balance to the force. He knows (or assumes) Snoke is weak, but he had to turn to the dark side to get himself where Snoke is. This is why he's feeling "torn apart" and constantly trying to keep the light side from showing through and trying to fuel the dark side with rage.

This is why he's having conflicting feelings before killing Han. Maybe he is actually able to get inside Han's mind there (he obviously has that ability) and tell him his true mission. This is why he says thank you to Han after piercing him with his lightsaber.

Now here's what I believe if that theory is true (and it does have a lot of holes in it): Kylo Ren is underestimating Snoke's knowledge of the force (doesn't realize that he's actually the most powerful Sith there has ever been). Snoke has foreseen Kylos plans and after asking for the First Order to bring Kylo to him, he's going to slaughter him in EP8. "Kylo Ren, your training is finished..." *tortures with force lightning to death*

After this it will be up to Ren, Finn, Luke and others to destroy Snoke and the First Order.

I like the idea for it's complexity.

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While there's certainly a lot of similarity between Anakin/Vader and Ben/Kylo, I don't think anyone really wants another Vader. Turning KR into a unlawful good type has it's merits. I would love to see them bring back the prophecy as well, but with a new (or rather old but not Lucas approved) interpretation. KR could balance the force by learning both sides and thus defeat the last Sith, Snoke. I could see him sacrificing his father for this, which nicely contrasts with Anakin's unwillingness to sacrifice Padme, especially if he gets telepathic approval.

I'd love to see this kind of complex motivation for turning dark, but it seems unlikely as hell.

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If he is to defeat the LAST Sith, he should also have to scratch off his list to kill the LAST Jedi.

I'm siding with Ben/Kylo believeing it's force users ruling over non force users as a birth right, something that can only be done with the darkside, while the Jedis only want to help, not dominate.
Anakin/Vader brought balance after millenia of conflict. I expect both sides to turn the tides in their favor now that balance was achieved.


Also, of note, the book "Before the Awakening" gives A LOT of backstory info about the characters and the way they are. Recommended.

And in other news:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens added $28.1 million domestically and $36.7 million overseas on Wednesday for a total of $64.8 million for the day. The Lucasfilm release has now earned $629 million in North America and $664.1 million internationally for a worldwide total of $1.293 billion.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens has now become the highest-grossing film domestically in Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures history, incredibly passing in only 13 days the entire $623.4 million total gross of Marvel’s The Avengers from 2012. In North America, the film is already the #2 movie of 2015 and #4 movie of all-time. Internationally, Star Wars: The Force Awakens is already the #5 movie of 2015 to date. Globally, Star Wars: The Force Awakens is the #4 movie of 2015 to date and has now become the #8 movie of all-time (passing Frozen‘s $1.277 billion).

No matter if you thought the movie was awesome or average or bad, I think we can agree it deserves to pass Frozen's worldwide total.



http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/64...e#/slide/1

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If he is to defeat the LAST Sith, he should also have to scratch off his list to kill the LAST Jedi.

I'm siding with Ben/Kylo believeing it's force users ruling over non force users as a birth right, something that can only be done with the darkside, while the Jedis only want to help, not dominate.
Anakin/Vader brought balance after millenia of conflict. I expect both sides to turn the tides in their favor now that balance was achieved.


Also, of note, the book "Before the Awakening" gives A LOT of backstory info about the characters and the way they are. Recommended.

That had occurred to me as well, but I think it's a very un-SW plot line. The Force user master race makes a lot of sense. Caedus was certainly a subscriber of Totalitarianism.

I'll check out Before the Awakening. I was pretty wary about new nonfilm material after the horrific reviews of Aftermath.

As a side note on Rouge One speculation, this has some interesting tidbits.
http://imgur.com/a/5kHqi

I particularly liked the canonization of the Tierfon Yellow Aces. They were a pre-episode IV Y-wing squadron in EU-Legends, although the new canon seems to make them into X-wings. Rey's helmet could be cool link to Rogue One pilots. Since they seem to be reusing at least a few ideas from Legends, I'll bet good money there's a connection between the Yellow Aces and Rogue squadrons just like in Legends. More info

PS. Why is the new canon so X-wing obsessed? I want A, Y, and B-wings to return!

I hope it makes it to #1 internationally, just because Avatar is the most overrated movie of the century. I watched it on DVD though, which probably takes the whole "groundbreaking 3D" magic off it.

Speaking of highest grossing films, 4 out of 10 movies there were released this year. Tells a lot about how bad the inflation is in the film industry.