Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue

Matt, are you Atheist?

Very. When I was little my mom took me to church a couple of times and I realized I didn't believe in it one bit. But I usually got a good breakfast those days since people sold donuts at the church so I went every now and then and didn't sit through the service. It was a Methodist church by the way.

Very. When I was little my mom took me to church a couple of times and I realized I didn't believe in it one bit. But I usually got a good breakfast those days since people sold donuts at the church so I went every now and then and didn't sit through the service. It was a Methodist church by the way.

That would explain a lot.
"I think people need to just accept we were a freak accident from unique molecular bonds."
I think people just need to accept others for what they believe in, because despite everything said; anyone can be right in their own perspective.

That would explain a lot.
"I think people need to just accept we were a freak accident from unique molecular bonds."
I think people just need to accept others for what they believe in, because despite everything said; anyone can be right in their own perspective.

I accept that you can believe in whatever the hell you want to. I just want to say why I think certain beliefs have little to no credability. It is just my opinion, and we can have a good debate over it too. No harm no foul right?

I accept that you can believe in whatever the hell you want to. I just want to say why I think certain beliefs have little to no credability. It is just my opinion, and we can have a good debate over it too. No harm no foul right?

None whatsoever, but it would be a wiser choice to debate our beliefs within a message, just to avoid further conflict with others.

Atheism is rather dumb, to me at least. I don't understand how people are able to say there's nothing more to reality after death.
But that's just a personal opinion.

I always wondered if "Heaven" would ever be overcrowded

Atheism is rather dumb, to me at least. I don't understand how people are able to say there's nothing more to reality after death.
But that's just a personal opinion.

We've never proved (nor disproved) that there's anything after death, so why wouldn't it be normal to think that there's nothing after death?

It makes me laugh when people say atheists hate god.

Atheists can't hate something they don't believe in. lol

We've never proved (nor disproved) that there's anything after death, so why wouldn't it be normal to think that there's nothing after death?

If you're enjoying your first five-course meal (and only five-course meal), and you are on your main dish and don't smell dessert, does that mean there's no dessert?

It makes me laugh when people say atheists hate god.

Atheists can't hate something they don't believe in. lol

I think people are labeling wrong. What they mean is that many hate religion, not a god. I totally agree in the fact that you can't hate something you don't believe exists. Just people being ignorant is all.

If you're enjoying your first five-course meal (and only five-course meal), and you are on your main dish and don't smell dessert, does that mean there's no dessert?

This can be argued either way. Should you assume there is dessert? I don't think you should. This analogy isn't very good though since either outcome can be logically reasoned.

This can be argued either way. Should you assume there is dessert? I don't think you should. This analogy isn't very good though since either outcome can be logically reasoned.

But my point is not that there is a dessert; rather that there is no correct default assumption that you can make. Atheism, a belief that there are no gods (as defined by the major dictionaries at least), also is an assumption, just like the belief that there is a God (or gods).

But my point is not that there is a dessert; rather that there is no correct default assumption that you can make.

You can reason about it. That is what makes the analogy different. I feel that we can logically reason that many religious points are false as we have already done. It also falls down to trust. The bible is like the "Boy who cried wolf." Making faulty scientific assumptions in respect to well backed concurrent theorys (i.e. Sun orbits the earth vs. Copernicus' theory, Creationism vs. Darwinism). How can I believe there is an afterlife now or other key points of religion? Just because someone told me to believe it?

To reasoning about these points I have to admit I can't think up a super credible argument. I am merely 16 and haven't really accomplished much on this subject. My argument is weak I have to admit, but I still think it will stand better than any religious theory.

I have to start with the idea of a soul I guess. Now I am not big into theology, but essentially the soul is what ascends to heaven/hell or whatever you believe in. I see our "soul" merely as our complex bodys. The electrical pulses that control our whole bodys. That is how we feel and think is through our nervous system. Not a soul. The nervous system dies with the body, plain and simple. So what is not to say we just die? Seems completely logical to me. We have just seemed to over glorify ourselves due to our possible luck with these organic compunds we are made of.

I think people are labeling wrong. What they mean is that many hate religion, not a god.

Define: Atheism

~ the doctrine or belief that there is no God
~ a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

(From Princeton)

It's not a label. This is what atheism is. To define yourself as Atheist is
to define yourself as not believing in a god. Maybe if you think it's more about disbelief in a religion, you are not atheist. Atheism is a doctrine. A doctrine is a belief. Atheism is a religion to some.

I'm not arguing. I am merely showing you (people that read this post) the meaning of this belief you have. (or say you have o.o)

Define: Atheism

~ the doctrine or belief that there is no God
~ a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

(From Princeton)

It's not a label. This is what atheism is. To define yourself as Atheist is
to define yourself as not believing in a god. Maybe if you think it's more about disbelief in a religion, you are not atheist. Atheism is a doctrine. A doctrine is a belief. Atheism is a religion to some.

I'm not arguing. I am merely showing you the meaning of this belief you have. (or say you have o.o)

I stand corrected. Maybe I should have said people think we hate a god, but rather we tend to, but not always, hate religions with a god or other aspects we find illogical?

I stand corrected. Maybe I should have said people think we hate a god, but rather we tend to, but not always, hate religions with a god or other aspects we find illogical?

Most atheists I know do not hate anything. They respect others opinion to have their own belief in their own religion. (Just as they expect others to view their [atheists] beliefs) Maybe you should start defining your own beliefs instead of we and us because it seems to me what you believe is quite different from most atheists that I know. Alas, you are still young. Maybe you should meet others that share your same beliefs.

p.s. im only 19

Most atheists I know do not hate anything. They respect others opinion to have their own belief in their own religion. (Just as they expect others to view their [atheists] beliefs) Maybe you should start defining your own beliefs instead of we and us because it seems to me what you believe is quite different from most atheists that I know. Alas, you are still young. Maybe you should meet others that share your same beliefs.

p.s. im only 19

I can respect the people, but not the ideaologies. It seems as likely as 1+1=3. In all fairness I did state that it wasn't true for all people. The people have not wronged me in any way so I should not disrespect them. That in mind, and even though religion hasn't hury me in particular it is merely illogical in my point of view. I just can't respect something that in my opion is that absurd.

I can respect the people, but not the ideaologies. It seems as likely as 1+1=3. In all fairness I did state that it wasn't true for all people.

I'm saying: stop saying we and us. Your anger to their beliefs isn't stemmed from your atheism, but from your own misunderstanding of what faith is. 1 + 1 does not = 3, but that does not rely on faith. Faith is strongly believing in something; It doesn't have to have proof that it is real.

The bible is like the "Boy who cried wolf." Making faulty scientific assumptions in respect to well backed concurrent theorys (i.e. Sun orbits the earth vs. Copernicus' theory, Creationism vs. Darwinism). How can I believe there is an afterlife now or other key points of religion? Just because someone told me to believe it?

Point to me where the Bible says the Sun revolves around the Earth. Also, the Creation story is not interpreted literally (as in God created everything in 6 24-hour days) except by fundamentalists.

To reasoning about these points I have to admit I can't think up a super credible argument. I am merely 16 and haven't really accomplished much on this subject. My argument is weak I have to admit, but I still think it will stand better than any religious theory.

And your hypothesis is... let me keep reading first.

I have to start with the idea of a soul I guess. Now I am not big into theology, but essentially the soul is what ascends to heaven/hell or whatever you believe in. I see our "soul" merely as our complex bodys. The electrical pulses that control our whole bodys. That is how we feel and think is through our nervous system. Not a soul. The nervous system dies with the body, plain and simple. So what is not to say we just die? Seems completely logical to me. We have just seemed to over glorify ourselves due to our possible luck with these organic compunds we are made of.

Okay, so you believe that human consciousness is just electric signals. IMHO, that would be like stating chocolate cake is just a smattering of atoms in groups called molecules. True, but there are definitely more aspects to it.

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Point to me where the Bible says the Sun revolves around the Earth. Also, the Creation story is not interpreted literally (as in God created everything in 6 24-hour days) except by fundamentalists.

I made an assumption. Sorry for this. I stated I haven't exactly researched theolgy since I have no interest in it.

Okay, so you believe that human consciousness is just electric signals. IMHO, that would be like stating chocolate cake is just a smattering of atoms in groups called molecules. True, but there are definitely more aspects to it.

Exactly! In my opinion it was mere luck (well not really literally since there had to be somethnng that caused these chain of events, but I feel you get the point) that we function the way we do. Nothing more. There is no need for a supernatural power to have been the cause for it. In my opinion of course.

mere luck (well not really literally since there had to be somethnng that caused these chain of events, but I feel you get the point)

Would you care to explain your views on this slightly more thoroughly? If not a supernatural being, then what?