Naruto Thread (Spoilers For Sure)

Well, he certainly did say it was just his opinion.

Fu'ck you good sir, you got your opinion, I got mine. Naruto might have fallen off around the Kage's meeting arc as I mentioned in my post, but thats what? 4 years out of the last 15? For the rest of it it was IN MY OPINION above One Piece as I'm sure many will agree with me, and the fact that it is the most well known anime from the big 3 might be proof to that.

A fact is not an opinion. One Piece is the most watched anime and the most read manga worldwide. It is also the longest running and the only one of the big 3 with a plot that didn't eat itself out. These are only facts. I don't care if you prefer Naruto over One Piece since OP is not for everybody, but don't try and say Naruto has a bigger fanbase since the north american audience for anime isn't representative at all.

I stopped giving a pineapple about Pokemon (the anime) after Ash set his pidgeot free. I'm sure 80% of the audience of the show doesn't even realize Pokemon is an anime instead of a cartoon.

I could say the same about a lot of DBZ and Naruto watchers in America. Doesn't make it any less of an anime though.

I'm confused as to where you get your opinion from as OP has doubled DBZ manga sales and actually has won in majority of popularity surveys, I would argue that it's already surpassed DBZ.

Other than that, Naruto has been terrible ever since the Pain arc, even then it was mediocre. One piece is half way done and I could name 30-40 significant fleshed out characters, naruto's almost done and I barely can name a dozen. You went from a Hokage impressing people of his ability to build mud forts as 'unparalleled skill', to fighting a god who can transport between dimensions and summon meteors. The power scale was ridiculous, the stories very roots were abandoned for a clearly undeserved fabricated hero that was rushed.

I would even argue that Asuna from sword art online had more significance and even depth than the empty husk that is Sakura. But you know, Bleach is worse, so there's that. In fact out of the so called top 3 (attack on titan bringing that into question) two of them are just a facade.

A fact is not an opinion. One Piece is the most watched anime and the most read manga worldwide. It is also the longest running and the only one of the big 3 with a plot that didn't eat itself out. These are only facts. I don't care if you prefer Naruto over One Piece since OP is not for everybody, but don't try and say Naruto has a bigger fanbase since the north american audience for anime isn't representative at all.

Well excuse me if you get what I said as me saying current Naruto is the best or most read manga. I actually tried to say it once was even if it no longer is. Same with most representative, it used to be the most known, regardless if this was actually due to merchandise shipping all around or the quality of the series.

I'm not gonna start a debate here, One Piece is big, One Piece is good and with Naruto out of the picture and the wrecked ship Bleach is, is definitely will hold to that main manga/anime until it too starts failing at its plot.

I could say the same about a lot of DBZ and Naruto watchers in America. Doesn't make it any less of an anime though.

Yah but how do you call it the main representative of Japan's anime industry if most people doesn't even know its an anime?

IN MY OPINION above One Piece as I'm sure many will agree with me, and the fact that it is the most well known anime from the big 3 might be proof to that.

Except, it really isn't worldwide. Sure, maybe in some part of the US, but One Piece is much bigger around the globe. One Piece has always been bigger than Naruto.

Yeah, one piece isn't bigger than naruto globally.

Can't speak for anywhere else, but the vast majority of the uks manga is sold through amazon uk.

Naruto is consistently the higher selling series here
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Boo...oks/503412
Right now of the top 100 selling mangas:

5th is Naruto 67
11th One piece 72
15th Naruto 1
27th Naruto 3
29th Naruto 10
32nd Naruto 3 in 1 edition 9 (it's a pack of 3 books, presumably 25-27)
42nd Naruto 2
52nd One piece 3 in1 edition 1 (1-3)
57 Naruto 3 in 1 edition 5
65th Naruto 64
78th Naruto 66
79 Naruto 11
84rd Naruto 67
91 Naruto 3 in 1 edition 4

i.e. 12 of the top 100 selling mangas are naruto books, while only 2 are one piece.
The relative popularity of the two is really not up for debate, Naruto sells more than one piece, period.

edit: lol, americas amazon is similar. The only one piece book is at 76th while there are 9 Naruto books. Hell, even fairy tail is above One piece on the american bestsellers, with 3 seperate books, lol.

One piece sells millions of copies, yes, but those are all concentrated in Japan.

To say that naruto is bigger than one piece globally is not quite right.
It would be right to say that naruto is bigger if we were to ignore japan, but ignoring japan when talking about global popularity would be silly considering that japan is where the vast majority of the sales and fans are located.

Worldwide one piece has sold 350 million volumes while naruto has sold 140 million volumes.
I'd argue that those numbers speak for themselves for two series that are relatively similar in running-time and number of volumes(69 vs 74).

Outside of japan naruto is bigger though, not gonna disagree there.

One piece has also only recently been temporarily dethroned as the best selling(on a year to year basis) manga while naruto was dethroned from the top 3 a long time ago in japan.

Honestly, if I wasn't at work I'd just copy and paste this argument that has been on several if not all manga websites. One piece just absolutely destroys the top 3, former rather. AoT ended One Pieces 5 year reign, but for a manga like one piece who's main criticisms is "TOO LONG", is able to hold that quality for so long says something, pretty goddamn obvious in fact.

A) It doesn't matter how many people steal the manga, the number it sells does, which is in narutos favour outside of japan.
B) I just googled it and the top 5 results for "read manga online" all list naruto as more popular/viewed than one piece anyway.

Moving the goalpost isn't going to change that Naruto is more popular than one piece outside of japan, it's not up for debate.

A) It doesn't matter how many people steal the manga, the number it sells does, which is in narutos favour outside of japan.
B) I just googled it and the top 5 results for "read manga online" all list naruto as more popular/viewed than one piece anyway.

Moving the goalpost isn't going to change that Naruto is more popular than one piece outside of japan, it's not up for debate.

Yeah, one piece isn't bigger than naruto globally.

Either poorly worded or poorly misinformed, either way, wrong.

And next week on khainiwests laundrylist of strawmen approaches to defending his incorrect opinions following on from semantics, he breaks out godwins law, stay tuned folks!

No-ones arguing about Japan. It's you saying that it's more popular anywhere else that kicked this all off to begin with, it isn't. The vast majority of countries (hence "globally") naruto IS more popular than one piece.

And next week on khainiwests laundrylist of strawmen approaches to defending his incorrect opinions following on from semantics, he breaks out godwins law, stay tuned folks!

No-ones arguing about Japan. It's you saying that it's more popular anywhere else that kicked this all off to begin with, it isn't. The vast majority of countries (hence "globally") naruto IS more popular than one piece.

I know you've evolved into a sh`it poster recently, it's a factual statement that one piece sells globally more than any other manga, save for AoT, Japan, I know, is included.

If that was your original argument which now two people, have corrected you on, then it's your incapability to articulate an argument. Time to sit down.

This was the original statement since you know, you forgot to actually read "current Naruto is the best or most read manga", now do you want to defend that or not? If you do, then your statement in this context is wrong.

So
A) Learn to f`ucking read
B) Learn to f`ucking type your point out so you're not flustering around.

Thought I'd put it in your format to help you out.

I think people are confusing globally and everywhere outside Japan. Japan is included globally. Also, using just Amazon numbers is incredibly stupid. Is Amazon the only place that sells manga? That being said, this is a stupid debate.

List of best selling manga by volume

1.One Piece: 345m
2.Dragon Ball :230m
7.Naruto: 135m

Naruto has not even sold half the volumes that One Piece has.

I know you've evolved into a sh`it poster recently, it's a factual statement that one piece sells globally more than any other manga, save for AoT, Japan, I know, is included.

If that was your original argument which now two people, have corrected you on, then it's your incapability to articulate an argument. Time to sit down.

This was the original statement since you know, you forgot to actually read "current Naruto is the best or most read manga", now do you want to defend that or not? If you do, then your statement in this context is wrong.

So
A) Learn to f`ucking read
B) Learn to f`ucking type your point out so you're not flustering around.

Thought I'd put it in your format to help you out.

I already explained what I meant by globally. It's something called context (you may want to buy a dictionary and look it up), when one definition would clearly be stupid, it's obviously not that one is it?

Pick a random country in the world, it'll more likely have more naruto readers than one piece readers.

I know you've evolved into a sh`it poster recently, it's a factual statement that one piece sells globally more than any other manga, save for AoT, Japan, I know, is included.

Pot, kettle, black, etc.

Also, using just Amazon numbers is incredibly stupid. Is Amazon the only place that sells manga?

A quick google search says Amazon makes up some 41% of all physical book sales in the US and around 70% of (online) book sales in the uk. Given the retail market for manga is virtually non existent in the UK, it's the best representation of regional manga sales I can think of, unless you have a better idea?

I already explained what I meant by globally. It's something called context (you may want to buy a dictionary and look it up), when one definition would clearly be stupid, it's obviously not that one is it?

Pick a random country in the world, it'll more likely have more naruto readers than one piece readers.

See this is where you fall short, I didn't ask you to explain it, the fact you had to explain it to not only me proves your initial statement is wrong. It doesn't matter what was intentional or not, that was what was presented.

And what context are you using? Since the argument was presented that naruto was more read than one piece. You're grasping at straws, ironically, to save face. You were wrong, get over it.

Pot, kettle, black, etc.

You clearly put half your effort into this, much like the whole #gamergate thing, you can continue to act ignorantly to the facts, but they have been confronted by 3 different people, you can take your narutard attitude and dump it in one of the many sh`it holes filled with 14 year olds who wear ninja bands. Thanks.

edit: How about you post those numbers so we can see the real picture here.

It's never been more popular than naruto in America or the UK, and never will be. I'm sorry if it leaves you crying inside, but you'll just have to learn to live with it. I'm sure with therapy you can learn to live with it.

Or stop posting pomegranate like "ONE PIECE IS KING" in the naruto thread and just never clicking it again. That might work too.

It's never been more popular than naruto in America or the UK, and never will be. I'm sorry if it leaves you crying inside, but you'll just have to learn to live with it. I'm sure with therapy you can learn to live with it.

Or stop posting pomegranate like "ONE PIECE IS KING" in the naruto thread and just never clicking it again. That might work too.

Oh okay, I get it, you think you're too good to read anything. I'm sorry, I didn't realize your head was so far up your ass you're slurping on stomach acid, so allow me to clarify for you what actually happened;

I came into the thread and made that post as a joke, no one cared, no one commented on it, including you, and everything was fine.

Two other users had a conversation about one piece popularity where ONE user, not including you, made very wrong statements, such as, naruto being more read and more popular than One piece. I interjected saying that was also wrong, as were two other f`ucking users. You came in stating "OH ITS NOT AS POPULAR IN USA AND EUROPE THEREFORE NARUTO IS MORE GLOBALLY POPULAR", what your brain has managed to forget, most likely out of convinience is the actual numbers here. It doesn't matter how many people read it where, we were talking about global sales as a reference to a question of who read what more.

Guess what, One piece came up on top, of course. Your argument is that Naruto is more popular because it sales less than 100,000 manga in europe+USA combined, and that 100,000 is a representation of how popular naruto is to one piece. OH WHATS THAT, ONE PIECE SOLD 2.5 MILLION?

So yes, squeeze onto that 25% of the global representation, I hope you'll find the maturity to just admit you were mistaken and you didn't read anything regarding it. I'm sure your tactics that were inspired by evolution deniers will serve well in the fu`cking future LOL

I already explained what I meant by globally. It's something called context (you may want to buy a dictionary and look it up), when one definition would clearly be stupid, it's obviously not that one is it?

From dictionary.com:

global
1.
pertaining to the whole world; worldwide; universal

From Merriam-Webster:

glob·al adjective \ˈglō-bəl\
: involving the entire world

Global has a set definition, which you can not change to suit your argument. Context doesn't matter.

Japan is part of "global", as is the US and Europe. The US and Europe do not make up global by themselves, just like Japan does not.

The counter arguments "One Piece is is only bigger in Japan" and "Naruto is bigger in America and Europe" does mean you can conclude "Naruto is bigger Globally".

As a sidenote: I have not read the One Piece manga or watched the anime in about 8 years. I have no bias towards either. Facts are facts.

Global has a set definition, which you can not change to suit your argument. Context doesn't matter.

I don't think his use of 'global' violates that definition, though.

Having said that, it's not the most logical way of doing things. Why by country? Not very logical, and feels like arbitrary manipulation of information to suit your needs. I'm not a One Piece reader, so I could easily say that there are more Naruto than One Piece readers in the domain that is my room right now.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with finding out which manga sells the best in each country, but using that to define popularity ('this one is most popular in most countries!') doesn't seem right to me.

It's abundantly clear that I meant/should have said outside of Japan, so you can stop mentioning it now and just pretend I said that.