A Cheap bossing class.

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Please don't flame and tell me to decide on my self. If you don't want to help, just dont' post.

My problem is, i have a priest( i can use it as HS mule_ and i want to Make a class that can solo bosses easily.

And i do not want to spend alot of money on this game anymore(buying mesos, NX, HP washing, etc, etc)

I have a semi-hp washed lv 55 dexless sin in Mardia and i don't want to spend the money to XFer it to windia.. so i decided to remake something.

(I just came back to MS so i don't know much about pirates)
My thoughts were:

1. Make a dexless hero -Solo bosses-(maybe HT one day..)
2. Make a Bowmaster - Solo bosses only(fun)
3. Make a new Night lord - Solo bosses(fun)
4. Make a Pirate???Brawler?Gunslinger?

My preferences are Bowmaster and night lord, because i like ranged classes ALOT better..but i can't afford a godly NL, or to HP wash a bowmaster...
And my last question is that what is the gun pirate ship thingy that the pirate have? it seems to out damage everything....[/COLOR]

I'd suggest making a Hero as it's not very hard to get a good weapon (an outrageous number of monsters drop Devil Sunrises, a lvl 90 2h sword) that you can get by with.

Bowmasters, I'd think there would be an HP problem since you said you didn't want to HP-wash much. If you're willing to put up with that issue and level a lot to mitigate your low HP problem, by all means go for it.

I'm no veteran with Pirates, so what I say next could be wrong xD

The 4th job Gunslinger's Battleship skill is a periodical skill that can be used or put away at will... until you sustain too much damage and the ship breaks. Then you'd have to wait for at least 90 seconds to be able to use a new ship.

I've heard that Brawlers are especially fun, in spite of less-than-optimal HP for a melee class and ranges. This is because their skills are best used in combinations, since some of their attacks have cool-downs. I've seen a 4th job Brawler do a crazy combo-styled attack on bosses, and the damage is fairly high (although how this compares to BMs or NLs, I don't know, but I'm betting they're still damage kings).

An obvious problem with choosing Pirates though is that their equipment is relatively new, so there aren't enough scrolled ones to be passed around, let alone good ones.

I think your best bet would be to go with a hero if you want to solo bosses early. Ranged classes would need to HP wash in order to do so unless you want to switch up for some HP gear but you'll lose some damage in the process.

If you want a cheap bossing class NL's would be hard to beat.

1: You don't have to have the best equipment in the game to be a NL. SE and an Apple and you still outdmg every other class at bosses even with average equips.

2: Alchemist. 15 minute length onyx apples. Able to fight zak with popsicles instead of cheese. Alchemist is an amazing money saving skill, from extending the length of pots to allowing the use of much cheaper pots it has far reaching benefits.

3: mp consumption and avoid. Not that anyone really looks hard at mp cost unless its arch mage ultimate, but for NL's its still miniscule. BM's use 9 mp per arrow, which at 8 to 9 arrows per second is 72 to 81 mp per second. Without cheating and looking at a table I think max TT is 19 mp per throw, so you are under 40 mp per second. Lets pretend you got max shadow shifter, well, even without shadow shifter many hits are going to miss. What doesn't hit you doesn't hurt your wallet.

The cheapest bossing class are NL's. That is why so many zhelm guilds go with 1 BM and 5 NL's. Not only for the NL's damage, because Hero's and BM's got very good dmg too, but because the NL's get more out of the apples than those other classes and are lighter on the pots.

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]First of all, thanks for all your replies.

But, i think that a BM would be alot cheaper than an NL, not MP wise, but equip wise. EX: Stars.

But i love NLs, i used to have the godliest lv 9x sin ever..untill i quit and became a fool and gave everything to friends.

I like heroes and BM's too.

Heroes can boss early on if u have the ACC, but does less DMG than BM.
BM can boss early on if you have enough HP(which i dont want to HP wash).
Let's say both are lv 150, ofcourse BM outdamages hero..(right?)[/COLOR]

The cheapest bossing class are NL's. That is why so many zhelm guilds go with 1 BM and 5 NL's. Not only for the NL's damage, because Hero's and BM's got very good dmg too, but because the NL's get more out of the apples than those other classes and are lighter on the pots.

Are you sure that's not from an excessive amount of NLs and a lack of BMs? I do admit BM and NL dps is comparable though.

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Heroes can boss early on if u have the ACC, but does less DMG than BM.
BM can boss early on if you have enough HP(which i dont want to HP wash).
Let's say both are lv 150, ofcourse BM outdamages hero..(right?)[/COLOR]

BMs do indeed outdamage Heroes.


Oh yeah, something to consider is the difference between a general boss and a warrior-unfriendly boss. Bosses that are extremely warrior-unfriendly would include Anego, The Boss, and Black Crow (Tengu) due to their short-ranged extreme damage.

I think that making a BM would be cheaper than NL (Mesos and NX wise)

Because when i made a Sin, i was godly funded on mesos, and had to buy a few use slots for stars and HP wash alot.


I do want to make a hero, but my primary reason of playing MS is bossing, which they are weaker than BM's at.

Having a HP Washed BM and Bishop myself, I'd have to say the Cheapest bossing class is Luckless Bishop . I can solo bosses in about 20 Minutes for Papulatus and Fishy. 3-5 Minutes for Headless Horseman. Of course the disadvantage is the Holy Immune Bigfoot. Also, they are essential for Zakum and Bishop. If you don't HP Wash, then no hope for early HT.

Not to mention, you'd reach your Bossing dreams earlier due to Cleric -> Bishops being the fastest training class.

Not much need for Meso since being decent is relative cheap compared to other classes. No need for HP Washing as well. In fact, a Luckless Bishop would have more MP than typical Bishops and in a way, more HP due to Magic Guard.

Hero or dk. I would agree with BM if they had more hp. Hp washing is hella expensive.

Heros more for damage, and dks more for just getting into a run.

Corsairs are pretty cheap. Gun scrolls aren't expensive at all. They're better at DPS than NLs and BMs, and they have more hp.

Having a HP Washed BM and Bishop myself, I'd have to say the Cheapest bossing class is Luckless Bishop . I can solo bosses in about 20 Minutes for Papulatus and Fishy. 3-5 Minutes for Headless Horseman. Of course the disadvantage is the Holy Immune Bigfoot. Also, they are essential for Zakum and Bishop. If you don't HP Wash, then no hope for early HT.

Not to mention, you'd reach your Bossing dreams earlier due to Cleric -> Bishops being the fastest training class.

Not much need for Meso since being decent is relative cheap compared to other classes. No need for HP Washing as well. In fact, a Luckless Bishop would have more MP than typical Bishops and in a way, more HP due to Magic Guard.

bishops are nowhere near melee classes in soloing speed for bosses. They are really wanted for boss parties, but not that good for boss solos.

I do plan on getting it to a bishop. But i also want an attacker..such as BM

If you want a cheap bossing class NL's would be hard to beat.

1: You don't have to have the best equipment in the game to be a NL. SE and an Apple and you still outdmg every other class at bosses even with average equips.

Corsair > NL in dps. kthnxbai

bishops are nowhere near melee classes in soloing speed for bosses. They are really wanted for boss parties, but not that good for boss solos.

Question was "Which one is the cheapest" and bishops are the cheapest. Minimal pot cost, less damage taken, etc...

I don't think Corsairs are better than NL since they have to wait for their ship.

And Bishops are probably the highest pot cost.

I'm leaning towards BM.

Corsair > NL in dps. kthnxbai.

Except we don't sit in a little ship with 100% speed/jump that can go BOOM! ehehe

I don't think Corsairs are better than NL since they have to wait for their ship.

And Bishops are probably the highest pot cost.

I'm leaning towards BM.

I use less than 1.5mil worth of pots every 4 hours. Almost 400k meso per hour, not that bad f3. Plus the fast leveling makes up for the pot costs.

Except we don't sit in a little ship with 100% speed/jump that can go BOOM! ehehe

don't you stand in one spot anyways? also with good reation time you can dismount in a moments notice.

Ok, can i please get some positive stuff about bowmaster pls? lol

Ok, can i please get some positive stuff about bowmaster pls? lol

I love my BM to death, don't get me wrong lol.. but I had to wash quite a bit in order to solo Pap at 12x. Since you don't want to HP wash, go with a BM if you're willing to wait to do boss solos at later levels.

How much did you wash to be able to boss at 12x. And around how much mesos do u need for decent eqs?

Ok, can i please get some positive stuff about bowmaster pls? lol

Good DPS, wanted in boss parties for SE, and their equips aren't that expensive. Their only problem is their low HP without washing/pumping AP into HP.

If you don't mind waiting a year, you could go Marksman instead. They have better DPS in all jobs except 4th (which will change when 4 second Snipe comes to GMS, in which case they'll outdamage all classes except Corsairs), also get SE, and can freeze. Also, crossbows are a lot cheaper than bows.