How many people are REALLY still playing Maplestory?

Uhh... that's population decline. I'm asking for the information that proves that I'm a minority. Please prove this with numbers.

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You're just going to get a warning/infraction for trying to get the last word in. You know what would really kick my ego in the balls? You being right for once.

Uhh... that's population decline. I'm asking for the information that proves that I'm a minority. Please prove this with numbers.

You can't be serious. Are you aware of cause and effect? What would you assume would cause a population decline? Unhappy players, that aren't happy with the updates, right? Therefore the effect of unhappy players would be a population decline.

Uhh... that's population decline. I'm asking for the information that proves that I'm a minority. Please prove this with numbers.

population decline is it, if you take into account that all that decline is due to people getting so fed up that they left.
Let me remind you that around the start of Big Bang, Global MapleStory made a personal record number concurrent user statistic of like 160 thousand. over 136 thousand.
Which has now dwindled down to a paltry 25k or so.

If the story enjoyment side is full of masochist, wouldn't that mean we would stay?

And if you're confident enough to call it fact, you should be confident enough to pull up information regarding this matter. I'm very persuasive to factual information.

If the story enjoyment side is full of masochist, wouldn't that mean we would stay?
And if you're confident enough to call it fact, you should be confident enough to pull up information regarding this matter. I'm very persuasive to factual information.

No, the remaining players are masochists. You playing maplestory makes you the minority that enjoys it, since the population has declined

The population decline is not enough evidence that the games remaining players represent a minority who enjoy the current game/changes? I'm not sure what other evidence you'd want, a person by person survey?

Soooo you're counting non-players that don't even play into this statistic? This is a very odd poll indeed...

The good news is, if I ever find another masochist, I know they play Maplestory!

Edit: That would be one way to gather the information.

Soooo you're counting non-players that don't even play into this statistic?

why do you think they quit playing?
why do you think Nexon has been so amazingly unable to replenish players who leave?

why are you in such denial?

Soooo you're counting non-players that don't even play into this statistic? This is a very odd poll indeed...

The good news is, if I ever find another masochist, I know they play Maplestory!

W--What? I don't think you understand what my formula represents. Current players of maplestory must be masochists to enjoy the game. You can find this out because the population graphs/curve reflect a steady decrease of popularity, to the point of being nearly 1/4 what it was 4 years ago. So only a quarter of the original population enjoys what maplestory is now, therefore you would represent the minority of the population who enjoys it enough to play. Note that population also includes botters.

I wouldn't phrase it as denial, I'm just looking for information that I don't have.
If the side that enjoys the story is in the minority of maplestory, what's the majority? Botters? Professional players that grind all day?

With the decline, you can't assume players decided to hate the game. Maybe the found something better. Grand Chase is certainly fun, albiet a bit PvP centered sadly, but the story is nice there too. Elsword just added in Add over here and he's a wonderful treasure, so I certainly play those lately, but I did stick around for Shade. (And I plan on starting aura kingdom up here soon too.) That and there are plenty of times where I just choose to do work instead of playing games. So my number isn't even on the graph for Maplestory most of the time, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. (And I know plenty of people who are like this.)

I wouldn't phrase it as denial, I'm just looking for information that I don't have.
If the side that enjoys the story is in the minority of maplestory, what's the majority? Botters? Professional players that grind all day?

With the decline, you can't assume players decided to hate the game. Maybe the found something better. Grand Chase is certainly fun, albiet a bit PvP centered sadly, but the story is nice there too. Elsword just added in Add over here and he's a wonderful treasure, so I certainly play those lately, but I did stick around for Shade. (And I plan on starting aura kingdom up here soon too.) That and there are plenty of times where I just choose to do work instead of playing games. So my number isn't even on the graph for Maplestory most of the time, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. (And I know plenty of people who are like this.)

SO your argument is that players have "hiatus'", but the population meter would essentially reflect exponential increases during these huge releases, yet it doesn't break 25k even with a new class released or even hot time. So your point is still not valid.

I'm not saying everyone. I'm saying that yes, people have left maplestory mad, but Maplestory has been out for 9 years here in GMS. A lot of new games have come out since then, and they simply cater to those more. Games come out, they're fun for awhile, then you put them down. You're not meant to stick with games forever and ever. You can choose to, but if you make it you obsession, then you'll run low on duel and then you will leave angry as well.
Simply put, Maplestory was highly fun back in the day because there were few alternatives. Now days, there's all kinds of games you can play and have dress me up dolls in them instead.

It's a little silly to honestly think any game can keep a high user base when it's almost 10 years old. When was the last time you heard of anyone playing world of warcraft?

I'm not saying everyone. I'm saying that yes, people have left maplestory mad, but Maplestory has been out for 9 years here in GMS. A lot of new games have come out since then, and they simply cater to those more. Games come out, they're fun for awhile, then you put them down. You're not meant to stick with games forever and ever. You can choose to, but if you make it you obsession, then you'll run low on duel and then you will leave angry as well.
Simply put, Maplestory was highly fun back in the day because there were few alternatives. Now days, there's all kinds of games you can play and have dress me up dolls in them instead.

It's a little silly to honestly think any game can keep a high user base when it's almost 10 years old. When was the last time you heard of anyone playing world of warcraft?

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Girl you are coocoo for coco puffs. There is more world of warcraft straight up rip offs than any other mmo ever. It currently has like 6-7 million subscribers.

I get told that often. quiet frankly, I think people could pick a better cereal. I prefer cinnamon toast crunch.

It has subscribers, and yet I never hear about it at all any more. There was even that phase where LoL was being called the new WoW. Point is, no matter how big a game is, it's going to die out over time because new and shiner things come out.

Aggravation is only caused by expectations.

I get told that often. quiet frankly, I think people could pick a better cereal. I prefer cinnamon toast crunch.

It has subscribers, and yet I never hear about it at all any more. There was even that phase where LoL was being called the new WoW. Point is, no matter how big a game is, it's going to die out over time because new and shiner things come out.

Aggravation is only caused by expectations.

I'm telling you they have 7 million subscribers, thats 7 million people playing, that's 10% of the human population. So your point isn't valid, and LoL is a MOBA not an MMO, so they are hardly comparable.

And yet people still compare the two when it comes to the "battle of the games".

You can claim 10% of the population if you want, but you know there's something up when even the WoW players are saying the game is dying. It was simply higher up, so it will take it's time to fall down, but the effects are all the same. Every game is going to suffer the fate of Maplestory. Games are made, then played, then left as a memory. Good or bad can be your own choice, but I personally choose to enjoy the ride.

I'm telling you they have 7 million subscribers, thats 7 million people playing, that's 10% of the human population.

Since when is 7 million 10% of 7 billion?
I wonder if that's how you calculate people's taxes...

And yet people still compare the two when it comes to the "battle of the games".

You can claim 10% of the population if you want, but you know there's something up when even the WoW players are saying the game is dying. It was simply higher up, so it will take it's time to fall down, but the effects are all the same. Every game is going to suffer the fate of Maplestory. Games are made, then played, then left as a memory. Good or bad can be your own choice, but I personally choose to enjoy the ride.

So you concede maplestory has suffered a significant population drop and your only method of deflecting is taking the most successful game of history as an example of something that has deteriorated? Even proportionally the fall isn't as dramatic as maplestory.

You are a minority in a game who's entire gameplay has been changed so drastically majority of the players left.

Since when is 7 million 10% of 7 billion?
I wonder if that's how you calculate people's taxes...

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And with that dumb error, I'm going to sleep

I'm not really conceding because I simply do not believe that there is such a minority. To me, if you care to still play it or keep up with it at all, you don't hate it enough. Cut your ties clean, not this sloppy effort you slump into a "majority".

My point here is that is the game dying? Yes. Every game will die. There is no going back to "the glory days" of Maplestory. You cannot "make maplestory better" and fix the game. Anyone who thinks they know a plan to make Maplestory "better" is laughable because Maplestory is a 10 year old game in a country where games are massively consumed. They can only fight for so long before all these new games win out. This was my point with WoW because even though it was immensely popular back in the day, it's slowly trickling downhill.

This doesn't mean I can't enjoy it, and this certainly doesn't make the plot "bad" as our discussion originally started. That is simply your own view on the quality of the story and considering you cannot put a stasitic on that, you can't even claim that those whom find the story good is in this "minority".

It's a little silly to honestly think any game can keep a high user base when it's almost 10 years old. When was the last time you heard of anyone playing world of warcraft?

I still play WoW

P2P MMOs have been a dying breed for years. It's amazing that WoW still has ~6.8mil Subs to this day. Hell, it's more surprising that some recent MMOs (FFXIV, TESO, WildStar) have had the balls to go P2P when Freemium / F2P games are the big hit right now, especially overseas in China and whatnot.

I mean no offense. Forgive me?

People probably just like to try things before they put a serious investment into it. Games like FF are probably able to got P2P off the bat because they have their name on it, and other games typically have a lot to show to build up hype for them. However, if that doesn't work... I know that WoW was offering players a chance to play to level 20 for free, is that still present? I knew someone that would just play different classes up until level 20 and then start over every single time.

And with China, I know console gaming was lifted this year, with china's own exclusive gaming console coming out. So it should be interesting to if this will affect any changes within the online gaming community. Clearly, there's going to be a drop in playing them over in china, which is a big deal considering its population.

with a vain attempt to stay on topic: I am looking forward to finally being able to say"what the heckieton" if/when we get hekaton. I would need my desktop back first for that though.