Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS

I'M SORRY I'M ENJOYING THE LAST DAY OF MY HOLIDAYS, AT HOME... playing maple... what am I doing with my life

THIS IS A LONG POST, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, AS USUAL, SPOILERS CONTAIN THEORY

Okay I really have nothing so far. If the dice roll silenced TheBirds I don't think that would have made a significant difference anyway considering he wasn't talking much to begin with. As for Niernen's situation, I kind of feel like voting for Chaz because of his suspiciousness yesterday and his complete absence in the face of being force-voted. This situation might very well be a mafia ploy to get the town to take attention off Chaz considering he was second to be lynched yesterday. The only thing I'm hesitant about is the possibility that Chaz really is town and the vote forcer just picked someone who's town but would likely be lynched? I don't think they knew that the forced vote would be disclosed either way. Agh this is annoying.

I believe that it's been established (on a somewhat logical basis) that my vote has been silenced, as they were advised to keep me in discussion but pay no heed to the accusations I make.

As for the Chaz fiasco, I've posted most, if not all of the possibilities. Your thought on Niernen's vote-modifying person is interesting, though. It could very well be either of them that needs the spotlight taken off, since anyone can essentially claim a forced vote and hide behind this facade. I don't doubt Niernen at this point, however, but we will need to be wary if we don't happen to lynch (whether by scumhunting methods or by luck/otherwise) the person changing the vote (which may be a mistake). This can be used to our advantage, however so I suggest we all think carefully about this.

Okay, I keep going through the thread and I feel a bit lost with all of the information. Correct me if I am wrong or feel free to add on.

-Liable and Shidoshi were town
-Neutrals keep being brought up for some reason
-Kyrastri's power seem to only affect her, with meow and presumably TheBirds not getting a response or negative action
-Niernen was forced to vote for Chaz [Niernen; was this a night action or day action? I am not sure if you said or I missed it.]
-Luv can not vote
-Meta's restricted, maybe got digitized without a tongue?
-MasPan is also restricted


There is definitely more information, but I have been in this thread for like 3 hours and keep getting distracted and getting busy (and now I have to take care of something again)... Like I said, feel free to add on with who has said they had abilities and such.

Edit:
-Holypie was blocked last night

As of Day 2, and to serve as a small summary (pretty much reiterating actually, you don't have to read this):

Vote Restricted: LuvDWayULie. Has a time-based power that will unlock after a certain period of time, likely from Day 3 or Night 3 depending on whether it's a day or night ability.
Vote Modified: Niernen, by unknown perpetrator. Must vote for Chaz.

(note: it is presumed at this point that my vote won't count to the tallies due to my 'silence'.)

Speech Restricted: MasPan (can only speak in limericks) and Meta (can only speak using words others have spoken). Unknown abilities, but presumed useful or powerful in a way due to the speech limit.

Roleblocked: Holypie, during Night 1.

Life-dependent: Chaz. Has a power that he 'must use every night', or will die.

The only reason why Neutrals are being thrown around so much is because of how role-chaoticCJ () everything has been during the first day and night. I'm led to believe that Chaz, whatever alignment he is, is not Town because of the virtue that he has to use an action in order to live. I consider that very anti-town, since desparate times call for desparate measures regardless of character. Of course, if this can be justified I have no reason to remove my doubt, but it's a very concerning comment that I just can't shake off.

As for my power, it seems to mainly affect my presence (presumably vote-based behaviour) on the game, like others have said; my presence became 'overwhelming', then was 'silenced'.

It could have been a misconception on how the role works. They may have thought that the person wouldn't know and could still vote for whoever they want but the end vote would be for Chaz regardless. I could see a simple miswording causing that kind of misunderstanding.

A lot of roles seem to have been very vaguely worded, but we were given the option to ask questions about our roles.

Did anyone else question details about their roles? You don't have to reveal any powers you may have, but if the majority haven't questioned what they received it'd be relatively safe to assume that we generally decided to jump in head first.

I disagree, as Shidoshi having started the Liable lynch train would be the most suspect, and the most likely to be lynched the next day, which would have given the mafia a free kill, or at the very least less time looking around for mafia.

This isn't necessarily related to the possibility of it happening again (since I know referring to past games might get too meta-gamey) but rather the theory behind it.

Last game, both Holypie and I investigated TheBirds the night we were killed by Mafia. Before my death, I had wrongly led a lynch against Luv, which would have gotten lynched the next day. But I was still killed by the mafia. A lot of people assumed it was stupid mafia, but it was because there was a threat in what my information would have revealed had I lived to tell it.

Shidoshi is not an investigator, as anyone who can read deceased PMs can tell, but it's possible that they knew something that could have crippled the mafia if he wasn't killed. That extra day still would have given Shidoshi time to talk, even if they were getting lynched. I don't believe we have a majority lynch here, but I guess we should get that clarified.

[MENTION=3177]xBTAx[/MENTION]; does the day cut off if we reach a majority lynch?

Also, if he did have a restriction like that, how would he vote? If he wanted to vote for someone that had not been voted on yet, would he have to wait till someone mentioned them then quote their name and someone else's vote?

She wouldn't have to quote, since she voted Chaz fine, but we don't know whether someone has to vote for the person first. If they do, then it'd be very suspicious to me, since she could essentially get away with not starting any bandwagons.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a bus driver. It would make sense. Maybe that's Chaz role? Compulsive bus driver? Or compulsive redirector. Or maybe the mafia have them, I don't know, ugh. I think that's good thinking material, don't you, Kyrastri;?

(... I've been severely mislead about bus drivers. I thought they just drove into people, killing whoever they target and anyone visiting them LOL Teaches me not to make assumptions, huh?)

Okay, back to theories. Key word is theory; a lot of this has assumptions thrown left and right so please be careful when thinking about this. Niernen/Chaz issue was easier to type out because there are definite combinations of binary yes/no options.

[SPOILER=Feelin' Lucky, Punk?]Reading up about them, they're essentially what I saw in the Captain Planet mafia game (where someone kept getting their power deflected to random people because of this power), but it seems Bus Drivers have much more control over what goes on in that they can choose what gets deflected to who.

This will muddle up the Niernen-Chaz issue further, since if a bus driver exists we cannot be sure of who the original vote modifer was intended for. Would it be possible to swap up the target and the voter? Would it be possible to change the target with this power? This game seems to have a lot of twists to roles.

I can be sure of this, though. The bus driver, if they exist, will pretty much be similar to the likes of Gavin Free, either incredibly stupid, or incredibly intelligent. (or maybe so stupid they're smart). They could be either Mafia or Town aligned, depending on a few details of the power.

If it can swap the target and the voter, then it's likely that the bus driver is Town. This is because if they believe they are innocent, they will want to deflect whatever happens to Chaz. This does implicate Niernen a little badly, though, so the bus driver would have to have been sure of both Chaz and Niernen's relative roles, and attitudes to the game (are they trying to help? Are they trying to get people killed with as little implication as possible? etc.)

If it cannot swap the target and the voter, then it could swing either way. A mafia bus driver will want to use their knowledge of who isn't mafia to their advantage, potentially saving their own (this could support the save-face theory for both Niernen and Chaz if the busser can swap targets) members or throwing townies into the mix to confuse people. This would go to their advantage as the vote modifying role person will have to speak up in order to clear this. Do note that if the bus driver is mafia, then the vote modifer isn't mafia unless we're looking at another M. Night twist ready to go down as one of the best gambits on SP.

A town bus driver will want to save the most obvious targets and deflect it onto someone who can defend themselves if under fire, or someone they believe is suspicious.

I'm pretty sure I had more to say on this but I've blanked out a little, so if there needs to be any clarification ask and ye shall receive.

And why does LuvD strike me as an arsonist?

What's the digital equivalent of arsonist? A Hacker? Can destroy code that makes up people by planting 'viruses'?

EDIT:

I am testing the limits of SP post limits, folks; if this doesn't work I'll post this separately

To help further along the "if Shidoshi was alive" cause, here's all of his posts. I hope you're not quoted for each man, I'm sorry if it does DX

I'll also post the posts Meta had, though that was a little easier.

 Shidoshi Posts

Got mine.

From the Mafia Scum Wiki on cops:

I'd keep an eye on Mas, speech impeded roles have been generally town aligned, but they are easy to fake and shouldn't be disregarded.

Not that his lying was ever a sign he was mafia. "Lynch All Liars" isn't really foolproof.
Simply giving one vote on AFKers isn't really enough stimulus to get them talking, if there's no intention to go through with that vote.

[Vote] Niernen

In all past games you've dwelled in posting things about flavor while avoiding touching on who's suspect. You were innocent on both times, but I'd like you to present more effort on this game. Without it we have no read of you and that's dangerous in case you are mafia and hurtful to your own faction if you are town.

Kyrastri; "raising the stakes" on someone early makes a lot more sense than doing so later in the Day, that way there's more time for discussion and for votes to be changed if we feel later that there's another person more suspicious. Holding off your vote until the last hours of the Day is scummier than voting earlier, since you hide your intentions of who you'd lynch.
You've been calling a lot of attention on to yourself with how much you've posted. I don't take anything from your association with LuvD since he seems to freely associate with whoever is awake when he's posting, but your accusations of me being associated with MasPan are just as weak. You are not really looking too good to me.

[Vote] Kyrastri

Niernen; though people still insist on saying there's nothing to be suspicious about on Day 1, I'd say we already have enough here to start pointing fingers.

MetaSeraphim; might just be faking again, since he seems to like so much to act out roles. I'd be interested to know if, acting or not, they are able to vote. Rhymes, quotes, walls or short lines they are all just talk, intentions are what matters.

Chaz; we won't have a strong possibility that someone is mafia for a good while, maybe never. It doesn't help us find mafia if everyone just stays "neutral".
We WILL be lynching someone today, might as well choose the one we find the most suspicious of being mafia.

A "hands off" position during the Day doesn't help the town.

I'm almost more curious to see all the awesome roles and how they play out than to actually scum hunt. However, I have to remind people of our last game, we shouldn't shift focus too much on the awesome power roles that we forget to look for the more basic signs that someone is not really sided with the Town.

As much fun as revealing your amazing roles can be, it also makes the job easier for the mafia to choose, or rule out, who's a good option to kill at night.

As of right now, Kyra moves out of my radar, though his power could very well be on the side of the mafia.

[Vote] Liable
For now he's just repeating what other people say and the general "I am new to Mafia on Southperry" justification that is unnecessary. However he's still jumping on the Chaz-wagon.
For me, either:
A) Liable is Town and believes Chaz is suspicious.
B) Liable is Mafia and wants to lynch Chaz, who is innocent.
C) Sega and Liable are Mafia and Liable wants to protect Sega from being lynched.

The scenarios are ordered in increasing unlikelihood according to Occam's Razor. However, I think A is not true because it's in conflict with his own claim that he doesn't know people here, so his "gut feeling" on Chaz has less basis.

It is also said that "third time's the charm", the 3rd vote on an innocent wagon feels like the right point for mafia to jump in. Not too early so they seem responsible for the authorship of the wagon and not too late that they are the ones holding the hammer.


EDIT: Vote count:
ChaoticCJ (0):
Chaz (2): Liable, MetaSeraphim,
faonkarino (0):
Holypie (1): faonkarino,
Kyrastri (0):
Liable (1): Shidoshi,
LuvDWayULie (1): VerrKol,
MasPan (0):
meowmixx (0):
MetaSeraphim (1): MasPan,
Niernen (0):
Olsi (0):
Polantaris (0):
Sega (2): Olsi, Polantaris,
Shidoshi (0):
TheBirds (1): Kyrastri,
VerrKol (0):
No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (8): ChaoticCJ, Chaz, Holypie, LuvDWayULie, meowmixx, Niernen, Sega, TheBirds,

"Respect or fear" is probably to keep Kyra's alignment ambiguous. From the text I would assume that Kyra will have double-vote today.
Edit: And it's likely two six-sided dice, meaning results closer to 7 are more likely.

And I guess no one wants to comment on my suspicion and vote on Liable.

It's not that I don't see something weird with Chaz's posts, he's definitely played in a way that he's "lynchable" with his passiveness. However, I'd attribute his suspicious actions to being new to Mafia here on Southperry and that's he's more likely Town than not.

Liable on the other hand took about the same passive stance, but then makes a U-turn and goes for the "lynchable" Chaz. Which just kicks up my suspicion of him.

About the mention thing, I don't really see the need for it as I assume people will be reading most of what is posted, there haven't been that many walls of text to discourage anyone.

If people aren't willing to read the thread, they should ask to be subbed out.

I have this thread on my subscriptions, so TapaTalk checks for updates to it every 30min, if there's something new it notifies me.
If I'm checking Southperry, I'll check Forum Games either way. The notifications are pointless for a topic I'm already following.

To mention people you need the "@" before and ";" after the name.

Of course scenarios A and B apply to almost every vote and generally A will be true because there are more Town players. The difference here between you voting for anyone else and voting for Chaz specifically was that his pile of votes was the fastest increasing stock in the market, ripe for evil speculators to jump in. On an increasing bandwagon there has to be more justification than just a gut feeling to throw a vote. Meta and Faon's votes were based on pretty much "let's get him to talk" so pushing the wagon further requires a better case.

I'm holding my vote where it is for now, but there's still plenty of Day to be had.

Sega;'s posts seem more like roleplay of his role than deliberately being bratty. It doesn't help his case.
"Let's lynch Sega, even if he's Town he's not helping." is not a good justification. Even inactive townies help in keeping the mafia from acquiring the majority. If he's really being inactive and weird because of other reasons I'm sure xBTAx will look to sub him out.

LuvDWayULie; keeps firing off all my "Scum!" alarms just like last game, but for now I'm assuming that's how he plays. He's not stuff for Day 1.

For me, Liable;'s justifications were mostly junk. Just congratulating people on having bred discussion and exposing intentions through voting on him doesn't make his side better when he wasn't the one that made the effort in the first place. Chaz; at least seemed more sincere and open about his stance. I feel comfortable lynching Liable today.

I don't wanna lynch Sega on Day 1 for being inactive again, it has never been a good move specially with how easy it is to justify it. It's so justifiable that even when he flips town the people who voted for him won't seem any more scummy or feel any guilt. I'd give him a chance to prove he can be useful from Day 2 onward when there's more factual things to analyze.

I have no guarantees of his alignment or powers, but that just seems like lynching the most "lynchable" person.

Edit: quick vote count I did:

ChaoticCJ (0):
Chaz (3): Holypie, MetaSeraphim, Polantaris,
faonkarino (0):
Holypie (0):
Kyrastri (0):
Liable (2): faonkarino, Shidoshi,
LuvDWayULie (0):
MasPan (0):
meowmixx (0):
MetaSeraphim (1): MasPan,
Niernen (0):
Olsi (0):
Polantaris (0):
Sega (1): Liable,
Shidoshi (0):
TheBirds (1): Kyrastri,
VerrKol (0):
No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (9): ChaoticCJ, Chaz, LuvDWayULie, meowmixx, Niernen, Olsi, Sega, TheBirds, VerrKol,

 MetaSeraphim Posts

hi

hi I wonder I wanted to play a game but not talking My speech, it is quite impeded, a forced gimmick,.

You have edited one of my lines, Can't add nothin

(to MasPan) thats not nice.

(to Niernen) that before the game started

(to Shidoshi) [Vote] Chaz

I Can't talk only quote other people

(regarding having lied before) meta-game is quite annoying

it IS!

it was a random choice.

a pain to do. its waaaaay too much work to make a post

[MENTION=10411]Kyrastri[/MENTION]; Damn... you actually quoted everything Shidoshi said... Thank you, saves us all a lot of time going back. But looking over his posts (ill try to double check), it does not look like he revealed anything about his role, so that would mean that the mafia would need a role investigator to determine if his power was worth a kill. Its definitely a possibility. I have never played with a bus driver before, so I was ignorant to what they did, thanks for clearing it up. If there is a bus drive, then its also possible that either the forced vote got deflected to me or the target of the vote got deflected to Chaz. But we can't know unless the buss drive either reveals their role (which is probably not a great idea), or they get contained and we see their role. Still looking over your post for any other comments.

A town bus driver will want to save the most obvious targets and deflect it onto someone who can defend themselves if under fire, or someone they believe is suspicious.

If we go with this theory, then it is likely the bus driver think Chaz is suspicious, because it was obvious from day one that he could not defend very well. There were plenty of people that could defend themselves better than Chaz (or I). I need to read up on how they work, but how would the bus drives ability work with the forced vote? Would they need to be targeted by it or just know about it?

Edit: looking over Shidoshi's posts, if it was not for the fact the we know he was innocent from his containment, I would have suspected him because of how hard he pushed for liable



Day 1 vote review
At 1:30, Shidoshi's votes for Laiable and explains why. Sega and Chaz had the most votes with 2 each
At 4:20, Fanon also votes on Liable to make him speak up more
4:22 Holypie agrees with Shidoshi and votes for Liable, giving him the majority vote. (He later removes it)
8:00 Holypie switches vote to Chaz (and later removes it again) (Chaz now has the majority)
12:46 Polantaris votes Chaz
2:04 and 4:25 Sega posts useless pomegranate
9:10 Liable votes for Sega
1:15 Shidoshi posts vote count, Chaz 3, Liable 2.
1:29 Maspan keeps his vote on Meta buts says he would rather contain liable than chaz
1:52 I vote for liable. Looking back that probably was not the right choice, but he had am hour left and I had to choose either chaz or liable. No one really wanted to contain Sega, and both Shidoshi and Maspan (who are more experienced than I) are leaning to liable. Ties the vote at 3
2:31 Holypie switches his vote back to liable. He explains he changed his mind after going over some posts. While he did switch a lot and give liable the tie breaking vote, I can't really say if that is scummy or not. The opinions on chaz and liable seemed to change often enough and Holypie's vote basically changed with it.
2:56 Thebirds votes for Liable. Honestly, I have no clue why, there were 4 minutes left so it was very unlikely two people would vote for Chaz.

Got to run to work now

Kyrastri; Damn... you actually quoted everything Shidoshi said... Thank you, saves us all a lot of time going back. But looking over his posts (ill try to double check), it does not look like he revealed anything about his role, so that would mean that the mafia would need a role investigator to determine if his power was worth a kill. Its definitely a possibility. I have never played with a bus driver before, so I was ignorant to what they did, thanks for clearing it up. If there is a bus drive, then its also possible that either the forced vote got deflected to me or the target of the vote got deflected to Chaz. But we can't know unless the buss drive either reveals their role (which is probably not a great idea), or they get contained and we see their role. Still looking over your post for any other comments.

Well I did bring it up, so it's only fair that I make it easier on everyone so they're more inclined to help out. Be the change you want to see kinda thing. If I've forgotten any quotes/messages, tell me so I can fix it up tomorrow.

With this, it's safe to assume that Shidoshi didn't slip up anything that seemed out of place. If there was a more shifty cause behind Shidoshi's death, then it's safe to assume that there's a role identifier that works during the day.

With bussing, I've never played with one either (unless there's one this game), so I don't know the limits of such a role. Faon might be able to clear that up a little since he brought it up as a topic of interest. Regardless, we should be wary of any unexpected twists, which was why I proposed that maybe the target could be changed, but we shouldn't be too hasty to accept anything we have as truth. It's still the second day :p

If we go with this theory, then it is likely the bus driver think Chaz is suspicious, because it was obvious from day one that he could not defend very well. There were plenty of people that could defend themselves better than Chaz (or I). I need to read up on how they work, but how would the bus drives ability work with the forced vote? Would they need to be targeted by it or just know about it?

Maybe I wasn't quite clear when I wrote that, I meant 'save the obvious targets' as in saving those that seem the most threatening to mafia at the point of Night 1 from being vote affected. This was theorised in hindsight, but my reasoning was along the lines of that you were more likely to defend yourself reasonably than anyone else here (the suspicious part is only so I cover all bases, I believe that you're Town), so in essence the busser will have saved both the initial vote modifier target and you. This does imply that the busser is pretty damn smart in deducing who's weakest to a vote modify (which is likely a mafia role right now with these bus theories) and in deducing a townie that can defend themselves.

Regardless, we have no way of confirming it with what we have now, which is why I'm really looking forward to Day 3, or Night 3. Maybe we can finally get some unlocked skills and see what they do to affect the nature of the game.

A reminder to keep somewhat wary of time, and that we do need to pick a name from the our list of suspects to lynch. Chaz, Meta and TheBirds seem to be the most suspicious to everyone so far, and discussion hasn't really peaked beyond that because none of the accused are actually talking aside from Chaz.

I'll change my vote to [Vote] TheBirds by the virtue of the following:
- I've rolled the dice towards TheBirds, and was silenced. If we reveal the alignment of TheBirds, we might be able to find some sort of connection between results and alignment, or establish that it isn't the case and it's linked to the numbers.
- While I doubt they're mafia, I still consider a silent Neutral to be dangerous. They don't have a word restriction that delays post speed and value.

I highly doubt that my vote will amount to anything, but in case it does, I'd rather stick to my guns and put my vote where my mouth is rather than cower behind a self-vote and call names from afar.

edit:

(forgot to mention, school legitimately starts tomorrow rather than stupid guessing so I'm calling it an early night and I'm warning you guys in advance of less frequent posts.

goodnight everyone!)

lynching me would be a waste of time. i am a neutral but i am a survivor neutral. basically i have no powers and i have to live until either the mafia or the town wins and i get to win as well

of course the town could lynch me and waste a day or the mafia could kill me at night and waste a kill

lynching me would be a waste of time. i am a neutral but i am a survivor neutral. basically i have no powers and i have to live until either the mafia or the town wins and i get to win as well

of course the town could lynch me and waste a day or the mafia could kill me at night and waste a kill

And you decided to show right when people started voting for you. Quite a coincidence, eh?

Well, better showing up than not. And, as Kyra and I said in earlier posts, a neutral role is as threatening as a mafia role, as we don't know exactly what can the neutral role do. I know you've mentioned you have no powers, but honestly, I don't believe you. You could be fooling us, like last time (Hate to do this, seriously, but I could only judge you based on your previous plays).

I don't think the Town has much to lose even if a Neutral role is lynched. Heck, it's much better than one important Townie being lynched.

the town would waste their votes voting me off, just as the mafia would waste a night killing me off.

i am not suppose to do anything against the town or the mafia i am just suppose to live until someone ends, that is it

the town would waste their votes voting me off, just as the mafia would waste a night killing me off.

i am not suppose to do anything against the town or the mafia i am just suppose to live until someone ends, that is it

Hmm, on second thought, we could spare you alive for the day today. We'll see what happens tomorrow (Day 3). Hope what you say is true. However, i'll still remain my skepticism about you. We'll see.

Meta, now is a good time to talk. Even TheBirds has started talking.

I'm hesitant about believing TheBirds, neutral survivor is a pretty safe claim in terms of avoiding being lynched, but this feels like another manipulative gambit. But even if he is telling the truth, lynching him would do no harm to the town as opposed to lynching a villager, while bringing the possibility that he's lying and is actually mafia. I don't exactly want to policy lynch but I'm going to [b ][vote] TheBirds[/b] for now, just because that option seems like the least bad at the moment. I still have no idea what's happening with Meta, and I'll wait a bit on that count.

just because i win no matter who wins at the end doesn't mean i can't try and help the town so


luv, since i try my best not to meta-game unlike apparently everyone else around here i am not gonna judge you based on last games i am gonna judge you based on how you're acting in this game alone

you just scream mafia to me with how you blindly follow everyone without voicing your own opinions each time someone brings up a list of people we should check out you just repeat what they say and demand that they talk it not only is very annoying but very mafia-like and not really a value to the town itself

if you aren't with the mafia this game you really need to work on being more independent.

basically i have no powers

I find that somewhat hard to belive that you have no parts as most do and neutral often have one to help the survive somehow.

just because i win no matter who wins at the end doesn't mean i can't try and help the town so


luv, since i try my best not to meta-game unlike apparently everyone else around here i am not gonna judge you based on last games i am gonna judge you based on how you're acting in this game alone

you just scream mafia to me with how you blindly follow everyone without voicing your own opinions each time someone brings up a list of people we should check out you just repeat what they say and demand that they talk it not only is very annoying but very mafia-like and not really a value to the town itself

if you aren't with the mafia this game you really need to work on being more independent.

Okay yeah this has kind of occurred to me before, but I kind of forgot about it. His constantly mentioning his inability to vote (which seems to have tapered off a bit) with his previous behaviour kind of fishing for the doctor, and his tendency to basically associate or latch on to whoever happens to be posting at the moment (previously mentioned by Kyrastri and probably some more people too) all seem kind of suspicious to me. Additionally a voteless role with some awesome time based ability seems pretty sketchy as well. I mean Liable was already time based, and not to try to meta god but having multiple abilities with the same (or similar) mechanics doesn't seem likely considering the broad range of powers we've seen so far. Additionally, I think Luv only started mentioning a time based ability after Liable had died, previously he was just talking about a vague awesome night action, with no mention of time delay. Oh yeah, he was also kind of trying to get people to claim and "come clean". I think people are just dismissing Luv as a potential mafia candidate because it seems to be his playstyle.

Man this is going to make me seem all flip floppy again isn't it.

Edit: oh yeah before I forget again, [MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION]; do you mind explaining that last minute vote for Liable? That was an incredibly sketchy move.

But even if he is telling the truth, lynching him would do no harm to the town as opposed to lynching a villager

while true it would still waste a day since i pose no threat to either the town or the mafia, i am basically a stump that can vote and that is it.

I find that somewhat hard to belive that you have no parts as most do and neutral often have one to help the survive somehow.

i don't have any powers, i am telling the truth. i am not trying any fancy gambits or anything. i would prefer to live so i can win with however else wins

Okay, so I missed some of TheBirds posts, but he does not seem like a threat right now. I also finished that voting record if anyone wants to look at that. While a few of us did some things that could be considered scummy, I chalk it up to it more being day one. [MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION]; [MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION]; you guys bring up a good point about Luv. I don't have time to check what he posted about his part, although I do remember said he had an awesome night action to compensate for no vote

lynching me would be a waste of time. i am a neutral but i am a survivor neutral. basically i have no powers and i have to live until either the mafia or the town wins and i get to win as well

of course the town could lynch me and waste a day or the mafia could kill me at night and waste a kill

That's... Boring. That's extremely boring. You just have to roleclaim and hope everyone trusts you and you have won.

No scumhunting, no hiding among the sheep, nothing. If what you say is true, then your game must be sucking big time.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually a commuter. Humph.

Meh. I guess some fairness is in place. I think I'll remove my vote on him IF he posts more about other people. I mean, there are 20 pages, LuvD's strange behaviour can't be the only thing you noticed the entire game, right? Voice everything you think about everyone and I will believe you.

Just had a thought about this, what if Kyra's dice hints at affiliation? If Thebirds is neutral, then or would kind of make sense why people would ignore them. I was going to also say that it might be how the town views someone; thebirds was silent, so maybe the dice transfers that feeling to you? Not sure if that would work with yesterday's result and meow though.

If someone had time, could they do a vote count? Thanks


Tentative vote count (may have missed some)
Chaz(2): Niernen (forced), Maspan
TheBirds(2): Kyrastri, faonkarino (Might remove vote)
MetaSeraphim(2): Chaz, Polantaris

Looks like a three way tie with 2 votes, not sure who reached 2 first though. There are still some people that have only posted twice, which is not much when you have 48 hours. Also, if you are going to post try to add something new. Repeating what others said does not help much unless you can expand upon it. Offer more view points that others may have missed. People also need to decide if and who they are going to vote for. We only have a couple hours left. And try to explain why you chose to vote for someone too. While you don't necessarily need to convince other people to vote for the same person you did (although you should if you want them to get contained), you do need to convince people of your motives and reasons.

[MENTION=13694]faonkarino[/MENTION];, do you mean computer and not commuter? My bad, didn't know about that.

Okay, so I missed some of TheBirds posts, but he does not seem like a threat right now. I also finished that voting record if anyone wants to look at that. While a few of us did some things that could be considered scummy, I chalk it up to it more being day one. TheBirds; Holypie; you guys bring up a good point about Luv. I don't have time to check what he posted about his part, although I do remember said he had an awesome night action to compensate for no vote

Rereading Luv's posts regarding his role it mostly went "oh I'm not going to vote -> I can't vote -> I may or may not have a night action -> I have a really awesome night action -> (after Liable dies, which I believe is the most interesting part of this fiasco) I have a night action that triggers after a certain amount of time". So he's slowly revealing his abilities while also trying to get other people to reveal. [MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION];, have anything to say about this?

Just had a thought about this, what if Kyra's dice hints at affiliation? If Thebirds is neutral, then or would kind of make sense why people would ignore them. I was going to also say that it might be how the town views someone; thebirds was silent, so maybe the dice transfers that feeling to you? Not sure if that would work with yesterday's result and meow though.

If someone had time, could they do a vote count? Thanks


Tentative vote count (may have missed some)
Chaz(2): Niernen (forced), Maspan
TheBirds(2): Kyrastri, faonkarino (Might remove vote)
MetaSeraphim(2): Chaz, Polantaris

Looks like a three way tie with 2 votes, not sure who reached 2 first though. There are still some people that have only posted twice, which is not much when you have 48 hours. Also, if you are going to post try to add something new. Repeating what others said does not help much unless you can expand upon it. Offer more view points that others may have missed. People also need to decide if and who they are going to vote for. We only have a couple hours left. And try to explain why you chose to vote for someone too. While you don't necessarily need to convince other people to vote for the same person you did (although you should if you want them to get contained), you do need to convince people of your motives and reasons.

faonkarino;, do you mean computer and not commuter?

I do mean Commuter. Google it up with "mafia scum"

About the bus driver thing, it only switches targets. That means someone could have wanted to roleblock someone else other than Holypie or make Niernen forcevote on someone else or make someone else vote on Chaz. We have no proof yet, though. There's also redirector, which is similar: instead of switching the two targets, it makes all of the night actions of the 1st go to the second.

Let's say someone tried to kill A and someone else tried to protect B. With a bus driver targetting both, A would have been protected and B would have been killed. With a redirector targetting A and B (either way), no one would have been killed. That would hint that redirector is weaker, but a redirector could be used at a mafia so that all investigations and roleblocking go to someone else entirely, so yeah. They're both pretty dangerous, especially if who has them knows how to use them.

Let's hope mafia doesn't have both, or maybe doesn't have even one.

Meh. I guess some fairness is in place. I think I'll remove my vote on him IF he posts more about other people. I mean, there are 20 pages, LuvD's strange behaviour can't be the only thing you noticed the entire game, right? Voice everything you think about everyone and I will believe you.

one thing about that though is that i would just be repeating what has been said before and end up making myself look like luv since the next one i would talk about is chaz

his reasons for voting for meta are pretty poor in general and his actions and inability to actually defend himself either means he is bad at mafia or bad at actiing normal when he is mafia


also about krya's dice roll towards me earlier must be related to vote count because i didn't get any type of message saying i couldn't talk or anything

Okay so the other information pointed out is:

-MasPan has 2 restrictions, one being speech, the other is fruit based on agreeing or not
-Chaz has an ability that must be used every night
-TheBirds is neutral survivor

I actually believe TheBirds, because my role hinted at something pretty similar to what TheBirds has claimed.

I don't think we really don't have a good target, between Meta, TheBirds, and Chaz. The only person really left to talk is Cakes and maybe some more Verrkol and Olsi...

[MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION]; did your role pm mention any opposing neutral rules hunting you?

Has anyone considered that [MENTION=10411]Kyrastri[/MENTION];'s powers could be some sort of illusion and they actually do nothing? They are seeming more and more ineffectual.

I have some more thoughts, but they will have to wait some I'm on mobile...