Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS

The only thing I'm hesitant about is the possibility that Chaz really is town and the vote forcer just picked someone who's town but would likely be lynched? I don't think they knew that the forced vote would be disclosed either way. Agh this is annoying.

That could be a possibility, but the force voter probably did not have much to go off of since it was only day one, so I have a feeling that they just went for who was second in the votes yesterday since they would be suspicious still. I don't think a townie would purposely pick another townie to lynch since that effectively wastes a day. Its more likely that whoever the force voter was think Chaz is mafia. Gives them a second vote if they need one I guess. It does seem odd to use on the first night though, because not much is revealed in the first day and something big could happen day 2.

[MENTION=5839]Chaz[/MENTION]; looks like i was typing this when you posted, but I dont think Meow is protecting Meta anymore, after it was pointed out there was no reason. A lot of people probably did not vote day one because of various things (not much to go on, missed deadline, saw Laible was going to be contained anyways). You still have not said a single word about this forced vote issue, why? You and I am in the center of it, so I would have thought that you have something to say. You posted, so you should be aware of the situation, why are you still silent about it? Staying silent does not help you at all and just keeps making you more suspicious. Instead of saying you feel suspicious of others, try defending yourself. Just adding to that after rereading your post, Meta may be "protected" (Meow and Maspan?), but just saying you find him more suspicious than yourself does not help your case. There are less fingers pointed at him and more at you (and me) because the town feels that he is less suspicious. Trying to go after him is silly if you can not defend yourself first, and does not give you much credibility. It not really that suspicious that less fingers have been pointed at him, while he has not posted much and he have all acknowledged that, you have not posted much yourself and are in the middle of a forced vote issue. Take the time to realize that your position is not to great and that not too many will listen if they think you are mafia.

I do agree on the point that Kyra could be neutral, he doesn't seem to be mafia though.

Because I can not find the right words for a proper response. But I think maybe someone wants to use to you to us both look like scum while hiding behind the scenes. I am aware of the situation is most unusual and so is my power. I have to use it every night or I die. Wow I feel retarded now. Maybe I should have mentioned this near the beginning of day 2.

Because I can not find the right words for a proper response.

That excuse is not going to cut it anymore. If you could not respond to accusations, you should have asked to be subbed out. Repeatedly saying you can't find the right words and then just leaving it is bullpomegranate. You have had plenty of time too. If you can't find a perfect response, then give it your best shot. Don't just keep saying you can't and expect us to accept that.

But I think maybe someone wants to use to you to us both look like scum while hiding behind the scenes.

That is what some of us felt too, but your response is not really helping too much to prove your innocence.... And someone with a force vote probably would not reveal themself either.

I am aware of the situation is most unusual and so is my power. I have to use it every night or I die. Wow I feel retarded now. Maybe I should have mentioned this near the beginning of day 1.

Er... not sure how exactly that helps you defend yourself. We have no idea what this power is. I'm not asking you to reveal yourself, but saying "I have a power that I need to use or I die" doesn't really mean you are townie or mean much at all. It seems a lot of us have powers.

edit: I see a lot of people browsing the thread so I am assuming some of you are just taking time writing your responses and I'll wait for those before I get carried away Also, I apologize if I seem angry. I'm being more aggressive than I usually am because I want to get this sorted out and trying to avoid the issue does not help.

I been trying to think of a way to prove my innocent and I keep coming up with mental blocks but you are probably right I should sub out.

Okay, so Chaz decides to sub out. I guess we need a new sub. [MENTION=3177]xBTAx[/MENTION]; you need to find one now lol..

Subbing out at this point really doesn't help and looks more like you're running away . The sub would have to get caught up and then defend Chaz's actions, which seems pretty hard to do. I don't think too many people would want to get subbed in if they would get contained a few hours later. When I said he should sub out, I meant earlier, when he realised he kept having "mental blocks", now it does not really help. People need to sub out when they realize they can't play. I know some people are new and don't know how to play properly, but I really don't get how someone could have a mental block that stops them from participating and defending themselves. If you can't answer peoples questions or explain yourself, then something is wrong, weather in playstyle or town affiliation.

If you can try and explain why someone is suspicious, why can't you do the opposite and explain why you are innocent. Granted your reasoning may not be the best, but you should still try.

Okay, I keep going through the thread and I feel a bit lost with all of the information. Correct me if I am wrong or feel free to add on.

-Liable and Shidoshi were town
-Neutrals keep being brought up for some reason
-Kyrastri's power seem to only affect her, with meow and presumably TheBirds not getting a response or negative action
-Niernen was forced to vote for Chaz [[MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION]; was this a night action or day action? I am not sure if you said or I missed it.]
-Luv can not vote
-Meta's restricted, maybe got digitized without a tongue?
-MasPan is also restricted


There is definitely more information, but I have been in this thread for like 3 hours and keep getting distracted and getting busy (and now I have to take care of something again)... Like I said, feel free to add on with who has said they had abilities and such.

Edit:
-Holypie was blocked last night

Oh wow, just because I said something needs to be done (Someone get a sub), I got pomegranated. Oh well.

Yeah, those are all the revealed info so far, @ChaoticCJ;

Hmm, @MetaSeraphim; seems to have quieted down once again.

Oh oh, and where is [MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION];? Quite uncharacteristically of him being quiet.

-Niernen was forced to vote for Chaz [Niernen; was this a night action or day action? I am not sure if you said or I missed it.]

I got a PM last night, saying I had to vote for him today.


I went back and checked, but unless I missed something, I did not say I had a forced vote, I originally said I did not have a lot of freedom with my vote. That could be interpreted other ways too, like not being able to vote, not being able to vote for someone, or having to vote for someone. It was a pretty open statement. [MENTION=5839]Chaz[/MENTION]; was the one that called me out and asked who i was "forced" to vote for. No one else had asked what my voting restriction was or who/if I had to vote for someone.

[MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION]; I pomed you because subbing out is always a last resort and done if a player can not participate. It should not be done because a person has a "mental block" or want's to leave because they think they are getting lynched. Who ever subs in for Chaz would be at an extreme disadvantage. It also ruins the balance since we don't know them or their playstyle. Cakes or Sega was fine since not much had happened, but trying to sub out when you have a giant spotlight on you is different. Like I said before, if he wanted to do it he should have done it when day one ended and he realized he could not play. It is unfair for the sub and other players and just generally a plantain move in this situation.

I got a PM last night, saying I had to vote for him today.


I went back and checked, but unless I missed something, I did not say I had a forced vote, I originally said I did not have a lot of freedom with my vote. That could be interpreted other ways too, like not being able to vote, not being able to vote for someone, or having to vote for someone. It was a pretty open statement. Chaz; was the one that called me out and asked who i was "forced" to vote for. No one else had asked what my voting restriction was or who/if I had to vote for someone.

LuvDWayULie; I pomed you because subbing out is always a last resort and done if a player can not participate. It should not be done because a person has a "mental block" or want's to leave because they think they are getting lynched. Who ever subs in for Chaz would be at an extreme disadvantage. It also ruins the balance since we don't know them or their playstyle. Cakes or Sega was fine since not much had happened, but trying to sub out when you have a giant spotlight on you is different. Like I said before, if he wanted to do it he should have done it when day one ended and he realized he could not play.

Okay, but the thing is, I'm just saying out what needs to be done if he subs out. I'm not agreeing he subs out. I still don't get why both MasPan and you do this to me? I'm just literally saying out what needs to be done next. :f6:

Never mind, what's done is already done, not like I could control anyway.

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Each word in a post, all that's been said,
Though I may not agree,
In which case you will see,
That the fruit I will use shall be red.
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Oh oh, and where is Polantaris;? Quite uncharacteristically of him being quiet.

Slept late. Had to drive to work. Been taking notes for the past 90 minutes.

And why, WHY the hell would someone make Niernen vote on Chaz? If it was Mafia, Chaz was suspicious already. If who did it was a townie, did he simply think that Chaz is mafia and Niernen wouldn't vote on Chaz because since before Niernen thought Liable was mafia then Chaz would be townie? And what's even the point of a forced vote which we KNOW is forced? Could Niernen be faking? Although I wouldn't be surprised by yet another vote-altering ability since we know about LuvD's and Kyra's alterations.

It could have been a misconception on how the role works. They may have thought that the person wouldn't know and could still vote for whoever they want but the end vote would be for Chaz regardless. I could see a simple miswording causing that kind of misunderstanding.

Polantaris; I was really tired last night for some reason, and when I woke up I felt I needed to vote for Chaz, it felt like the right thing to do. I don't have any reasons and I can't really explain why.

Uhm...unless my memory isn't what it used to be, I don't remember asking for why you voted on Chaz. I was more concerned with Meta's early vote with no explanation, as there were decent points brought up about Chaz at the time so later votes make sense (hell, that's why I voted for him).

Or are you implying that you were forced to vote for Chaz then too?

Protecting the most vocal might not be the best idea. IMO the doctor if we have one should protect the ones with the best logic deductions.

Why exactly are we telling the doctor how to do their job? They should be able to figure it out themselves.

Hmm, sounds like mine.

Was your restriction part of your role PM or a separate PM later?

[COLOR="#cc8899"]If mafia forced [MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION]; in,
[vote]Chaz;, for he would seem free of sin.
It's a perfect disguise
To blend in with us guys
As a mafia agent within.[/COLOR]

Are you voting for Chaz? I can't tell. Why? If Niernen is telling the truth then it seems odd that you would go along with a forced vote, as someone clearly wants Chaz dead.

Don't know if that really sheds any light, but why would I lie about being forced to vote for Chaz? Most of us had agreed he was not the most scummy, and it really does not seem the best way to protect someone. I understand what you are saying about how someone being forced to vote for Chaz would make him seem more innocent because he becomes a target, but I don't know why someone would single out Chaz or me.

Not saying that this is the truth, but you could be lying to protect yourself and Chaz. You can take any blame off of yourself, and make Chaz look innocent as if the mafia were trying to slaughter him.

- The mafia wanted to throw everyone off. While implying purpose, it would allow the mafia to confuse everyone about who was mafia and who wasn't. It's a reasonable assumption that had Shidoshi lived he would be under fire for starting the Liable bandwagon (the focus might have been taken off the other voters if that's the case), so this does support a "Shidoshi was a viable threat/knew something or could know something that got him killed" sort of theory. We can't assume the mafia was stupid like we did last time, and it could very well have the same motive.

I disagree, as Shidoshi having started the Liable lynch train would be the most suspect, and the most likely to be lynched the next day, which would have given the mafia a free kill, or at the very least less time looking around for mafia.

Meow's volunteering seems like a very unmafia action.

I highly disagree. Meow's volunteering in a dice roll gives them at least a 5/6 or 11/12 chance of nothing permanently negative happening. Perhaps a complete 100%. I doubt anything other than 1/2, or maybe 6/12, but definitely not both (depending on if 2d6 or 1d6 are tossed) would cause death, if anything at all would.

I do that all too often. Maybe we should both start taking notes?

Take notes! From the beginning. It helps. It's hard to do when there's more than two or three pages, though, so good luck.

I dont think Meow is protecting Meta anymore, after it was pointed out there was no reason.

Of course not. Would you? It would be incredibly mafia to continue to protect someone who is not even protecting themself.






I'm going to push my vote for MetaSeraphim (From like 6 pages ago now). I don't like their response, and their lack of doing much is annoying. Even if they are town, they are not helpful. Their restriction, if real, might suck, but that's not really a good enough excuse. I don't believe that it is real, either. I don't think xBTAx is that cruel. I'm expecting a drop of "restriction" any minute now and a role claim, to be honest.

Not saying that this is the truth, but you could be lying to protect yourself and Chaz. You can take any blame off of yourself, and make Chaz look innocent as if the mafia were trying to slaughter him.

I think we already mentioned this plenty of times already, but at this point, if it was not forced, I would still vote for either Chaz or Meta. I'm pretty sure its obvious from my last few posts that I was not trying to protect him, and if the mafia was they did a pretty bad job of it. I completely agree with you on Meta, posting once a day because of a posting restriction that is annoying does not seem too valid. Especially since all his posts are basically just repeating how he has a posting restriction. Also, if he did have a restriction like that, how would he vote? If he wanted to vote for someone that had not been voted on yet, would he have to wait till someone mentioned them then quote their name and someone else's vote?

[MENTION=5839]Chaz[/MENTION]; It looks like you will be subbing out, but before you go could you at least try to answer why you called me out on my vote restriction? I never said it was a forced vote, for all anyone knew it could have been I could not vote for someone (they can protect themself from one vote kind of thing). And why did you assume I did not have a gag order? I don't see how you could have possibly known I had a forced vote on someone and that it was not gagged. I guess you could have assumed the forced part, but wouldn't it be obvious who I was forced for when I voted?

[MENTION=814]MasPan[/MENTION]; Since both I and Polantaris have mentioned it now, could you clear up if you are voting for Chaz or not? thanks.

Well, I'm off to bed, I'll check back in the morning.

[MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; I got it along with my PM. It's part of my role. Hope that clarifies things

MasPan is a bully





Joking

Are you voting for Chaz? I can't tell. Why? If Niernen is telling the truth then it seems odd that you would go along with a forced vote, as someone clearly wants Chaz dead.

MasPan; Since both I and Polantaris have mentioned it now, could you clear up if you are voting for Chaz or not? thanks.

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5- All votes must be bolded. If you wish to remove your vote, remove the boldface from your previous vote and only then make a new one. If a Lynch voting ends in a draw, the player who achieved that amount of votes first will be lynched.
Ex. [Vote] Masdoshi

[COLOR="#cc8899"]If mafia forced Niernen; in,
[vote]Chaz;, for he would seem free of sin.
It's a perfect disguise
To blend in with us guys
As a mafia agent within.

But perhaps Niernen is lying,
And Chaz should not be the one dying,
For now I trust neither,
And you should not either,
Unless someone can do some scrying.
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I seriously need to start the habit of taking notes. I'll start from this post onwards, I guess.

Thank you Kyra, for your compliment.

It's hard to assume someone with good logic and sizeable posts isn't scum, and all of you should not forget that. I believe Kyra is townie more from her ability than her prowess in logic. As beautiful as it was, Kyra just pointed out the possibilities of what could happened, something anyone could do if throwing the laziness aside. Besides, it would made a lot more sense if Mafia had manipulative night powers, such as roleblock. I don't believe Chaz is mafia because compulsive roles are almost always town and that would be too strange a gambit to throw off.

About Chaz, unless the Doctor made a save last night, he's propably a manipulative role as well, which would be detrimental to the town unless he had a very specific use for it. Basically Chaz would be detrimental now and very useful late game, that is, if you do buy my logic.

About the chances of there being a vengeful on the game, it wouldn't make sense in a role madness game. The point to this game is having multiple night powers, all affecting each other.

Hmm. Maybe that was Shidoshi's function after all: provide the town something to "clean out" whatever infected our information, such as incorrect information from cops, which could come from either insanity, Godfather, tailoring, etc; or maybe even detect a redirector or - Phas forbid - a bus driver.

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a bus driver. It would make sense. Maybe that's Chaz role? Compulsive bus driver? Or compulsive redirector. Or maybe the mafia have them, I don't know, ugh. I think that's good thinking material, don't you, [MENTION=10411]Kyrastri[/MENTION];?

I also think MasPan meant himself as the cat. He did change avatars to a cat. A very famous cat, may I add.

By the way, maybe you are overthinking Kyra's ability. At least, to me it seems pretty obvious. Yesterday, he had double vote. He did not need to recieve a PM about this, it would just be accounted when BTA made his Tally and that's it. Today, he could still vote, but it wouldn't be accounted, so it's no big deal. Since the mods around here do not actually post the official vote tally, we can't REALLY confirm it, but still.

And why does LuvD strike me as an arsonist?

And sure, Meta's "restriction" is annoying, but Chaotic has suggested from day one some sort of help to him and Meta didn't address that at all.

Anyway, what else could I say? Hmm...

Using loose parameters, I'd say MasPan, Kyra and Niernen are town and TheBirds is mafia/neutral.

Going a bit deeper and using more deduction, they didn't actually kill a mafia and TheBirds may be just being a lurker townie, even if a doukabaga one.

However, for reasons I've stated before, I believe Chaz and Kyra are townie. LuvD still strikes me as an arsonist, and I never trust anything that goes out Meta's mouth.

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Edit: From what I caught of MasPan, I'd say he believes in the

- Niernen is Town, Chaz is Mafia, Town/Neutral/Mafia is perpetrating Included mafia because it could all be a fancy bussing technique. Damn fancy bussing techniques. Town/Neutral could have figured out that Chaz is mafia, but will need to claim in order to verify this so they're in a tight spot, so it's more likely mafia if Chaz is mafia.

except that the mafia is using it as some form of reverse psychology to save Chaz's sweet buttocks. Oh look, TheBirds looks even scummier to me now.

However, he's not so sure and he's warning us to not take what he thinks as granted. I could not realize though if that includes voting Chaz or not. He could be either saying he just voted in Chaz to force him to talk and further prove/disprove of MasPan's theory or to simply be careful.

I've wasted one phasdamn hour building up this post, you'd better make good use of it Now, I'm off to bed.

I seriously need to start the habit of taking notes. I'll start from this post onwards, I guess.

Thank you Kyra, for your compliment.

It's hard to assume someone with good logic and sizeable posts isn't scum, and all of you should not forget that. I believe Kyra is townie more from her ability than her prowess in logic. As beautiful as it was, Kyra just pointed out the possibilities of what could happened, something anyone could do if throwing the laziness aside. Besides, it would made a lot more sense if Mafia had manipulative night powers, such as roleblock. I don't believe Chaz is mafia because compulsive roles are almost always town and that would be too strange a gambit to throw off.

About Chaz, unless the Doctor made a save last night, he's propably a manipulative role as well, which would be detrimental to the town unless he had a very specific use for it. Basically Chaz would be detrimental now and very useful late game, that is, if you do buy my logic.

About the chances of there being a vengeful on the game, it wouldn't make sense in a role madness game. The point to this game is having multiple night powers, all affecting each other.

Hmm. Maybe that was Shidoshi's function after all: provide the town something to "clean out" whatever infected our information, such as incorrect information from cops, which could come from either insanity, Godfather, tailoring, etc; or maybe even detect a redirector or - Phas forbid - a bus driver.

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a bus driver. It would make sense. Maybe that's Chaz role? Compulsive bus driver? Or compulsive redirector. Or maybe the mafia have them, I don't know, ugh. I think that's good thinking material, don't you, @Kyrastry;?

I also think MasPan meant himself as the cat. He did change avatars to a cat. A very famous cat, may I add.

By the way, maybe you are overthinking Kyra's ability. At least, to me it seems pretty obvious. Yesterday, he had double vote. He did not need to recieve a PM about this, it would just be accounted when BTA made his Tally and that's it. Today, he could still vote, but it wouldn't be accounted, so it's no big deal. Since the mods around here do not actually post the official vote tally, we can't REALLY confirm it, but still.

And why does LuvD strike me as an arsonist?

And sure, Meta's "restriction" is annoying, but Chaotic has suggested from day one some sort of help to him and Meta didn't address that at all.

Anyway, what else could I say? Hmm...

Using loose parameters, I'd say MasPan, Kyra and Niernen are town and TheBirds is mafia/neutral.

Going a bit deeper and using more deduction, they didn't actually kill a mafia and TheBirds may be just being a lurker townie, even if a doukabaga one.

However, for reasons I've stated before, I believe Chaz and Kyra are townie. LuvD still strikes me as an arsonist, and I never trust anything that goes out Meta's mouth.

Nope, not an arsonist. I don't kill people. My PM does not say anything about killing

Meta has to really talk now, so does TheBirds. Chaz has spoken, although inadequately, but still at least have spoken something, so I'm not too suspicious of him. The other two, on the other hand, need to talk.

And it's true, Kyra is really hardworking... (I'm not, so yeah).

Also, I'm pretty sure there are more people than there is now. Weird.

I think we already mentioned this plenty of times already, but at this point, if it was not forced, I would still vote for either Chaz or Meta. I'm pretty sure its obvious from my last few posts that I was not trying to protect him, and if the mafia was they did a pretty bad job of it. I completely agree with you on Meta, posting once a day because of a posting restriction that is annoying does not seem too valid. Especially since all his posts are basically just repeating how he has a posting restriction. Also, if he did have a restriction like that, how would he vote? If he wanted to vote for someone that had not been voted on yet, would he have to wait till someone mentioned them then quote their name and someone else's vote?

Yeah I know we've gone over it already. I mostly forgot to remove it after I had written the reply as I wrote it when I came upon the early posts about it.

Polantaris; I got it along with my PM. It's part of my role. Hope that clarifies things

Then it's unlikely that it will ever go away. There's a possibility that Shidoshi might have been able to fix it, but now that Shidoshi is dead you're probably screwed.

-snip-

Thanks for re-explaining it. I find myself re-reading your posts several times to get the full meaning, so sorry about that.

Yeah I know we've gone over it already. I mostly forgot to remove it after I had written the reply as I wrote it when I came upon the early posts about it.



Then it's unlikely that it will ever go away. There's a possibility that Shidoshi might have been able to fix it, but now that Shidoshi is dead you're probably screwed.



Thanks for re-explaining it. I find myself re-reading your posts several times to get the full meaning, so sorry about that.

Oh well, I expected that anyway haha.

I might be picky again: Olsi. Another one who went kinda quiet.. Maybe it's the time zone difference, but yeah.

I'm going to ask others that have only posted 1-2 times to try and speak up more before more fingres are pointed your way, as that is where it looks like it will be going next. Meta and TheBirds have both been mentioned enough at this point, and I don't think it will really help to bring them up again and again; if they wanted to talk they would have done so by now. For the rest of you, it has been over a day, so you really can't use timezones and all as a great excuse. The less people post, naturally the more suspicious other will be of them. It doesn't seem much went all at night, but thanks for clarifying your vote Maspan.

We less than half a day, so we should probably be focusing in on someone that we should contain. It looks like people are either suspicious of Chaz, Meta and I (or at least have been more vocal about it), but if anyone else has someone they are suspicious about they need to bring it out now.

going to be busy at work today so I may not be able to post more before the day ends.