Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory

[MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; I see.

About the tiebreaker, as far as I know, the first one to reach majority is lynched in the case of a tie.

Edit: Oh, looks like you contacted him before I had a say in the matter. Also, I could swear this had been explained before.

Polantaris; I see.

About the tiebreaker, as far as I know, the first one to reach majority is lynched in the case of a tie.

Edit: Oh, looks like you contacted him before I had a say in the matter. Also, I could swear this had been explained before.

It might have, but I don't remember seeing it. Either way, now that that's cleared up my thoughts on that matter have been completely given until I go through Day 2 again.

It might have, but I don't remember seeing it. Either way, now that that's cleared up my thoughts on that matter have been completely given until I go through Day 2 again.

Ah yes, I totally forgot pointing out that, and it's good that you did.

Rereading the days is very, very, very important. Although I'm too lazy to actually write notes about everything, I try to reread everything at least once a game's Day and make mental notes. I appreciate that you're doing such a thing and others should do too.

I'm actually not suspicious of you because of the cop suspicion. I think you have a point there. Unfortunately if my belief towards you is correct then you're misleading us, while if my belief towards you is incorrect I can't really be sure either way.

Don't take my vote as an end-all, I want to see how everyone I mentioned responds, and I may very well change my vote before the day is up. You're just the most suspicious in the very suspicious category for me, but that can very easily change.

I know very well how bad screwing up on Day 1 can be for you. Day 1 was a sh'it-show for me as well, and Day 2 was more of, "WORDS! KILL HIM! Oh crap three cops wtp!" than anything else honestly, which overall is an issue because we didn't get much information about everyone else. We were basically done talking by the 24 hour mark.

Yeah, I know you've the point of voting against me. I don't blame you haha. If I were you, I would have done the same. I'm not giving it up, just that I can't find anymore proof to prove my innocence. It's entirely fine, I get it.

So I contacted MasPan about this. He said that the person who receives the number of votes first. Knowing this, there was absolutely no reason for CJ to vote for Sega at the last minute, Sega was doomed anyway.

CJ had one vote. Sega had two votes. Shidoshi voted for CJ, but Sega had two votes first, which means that Sega was still going to die. CJ's add-on vote for Sega was unnecessary, and the fact that it was literally 6 minutes from the cutoff is fishy to me. I'm still suspicious of Shidoshi, because the last minute vote on their end also seems weird, especially when they say that "it won't do anything. It's like they were expecting someone else to bandwagon at the last minute but it didn't happen.

If what you're saying is true, if CJ is a mafia, then the "cop" is lying. I forgot who said CJ was innocentKyra said that CJ was innoncent, and that just enhances my theory. Will check back and edit this post.

I'll try rereading stuffs to see if there's anything suspicious, but the laziness will usually get the hang of me.

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Blame me for not reading properly.

Among the cops, I initially felt that Holypie is more suspicious than Kyra. But, because of Polantaris' opinion, Kyra is now as suspicious as Holy. You may judge me because I can't provide any substantial evidence, but that's what I think. This time, I have no obvious reasons why, because as much as you all hate/love, I'm depending this on my gut feelings (Not why are they suspicious, but why is Holy more suspicious than Kyra).

Sorry to let you all down once again. Useless posts hit back at me once again.

Not information directly from you, maybe information from others. I'll be watching silently as I currently have no idea myself what information I'm expecting, and I don't want to post useless stuff. Sorry for you being fed up, just suspicious at you

But you said, and I quote, "from the two alleged cops." I'm serious when I'm asking what more information you could possibly ask for. Even from other people; what are they meant to know about us?

I'm more fed up at the situation, not at you (sorry if I got snappy at you, or anyone else ). I feel like if I hadn't investigated Olsi, we wouldn't be under fire like this. I honestly believed that Meta and Holy were cops, and I trusted that we needed to investigate the same person. I did suggest that we investigate two people, as a downplay of Khaini's idea, but that would have been moot as Meta wasn't a cop in the first place.

I don't doubt that you're a new player at all (OMGUS proved that to me), I just feel like you might be leaning on it a bit too much. I'm a new player, too.

Firstly, we had no evidence to support anything. For all we know, all three of them are bsing us. We know Meta was. Maybe someone else is the cop and they've intentionally hidden themselves to stay far away from this crazy role claim.

I'd like to mention that the entire reason why I claimed in the first place was to counter Meta's claim. From what I had read on mafiascum, there was usually only one cop. I investigated ChaoticCJ instead of y0y0 because y0y0 didn't vote to kill someone that I thought was already going to die, and he had said that he "had" to vote for Sega, rather than Words. I only assumed that green meant innocent. I can repost the flavour text if you'd like so you can see what you'd get out of it.

EDIT: forgot to mention that I'm stupid, but not stupid enough to claim cop with only one innocent result. I can read, guys. It was discouraged last game as well.

Polantaris; About CJ: Didn't Chaotic get confirmed Townie by Kyra?

Yes, I did confirm him as innocent. My PM told me that he was "definitely an apple", then mentioned that he was green. Honestly, if I misinterpreted that as innocent, then I'm sorry. I can see why that might strike people to be suss.

I know this is all hindsight, but if people were so opposed to the Words lynch yesterday, then why didn't they tell us? My hypothetical scenarios were based on what I believed at the time. I believed Meta and Holy, though I was admittedly suss about what Holy was trying to achieve by claiming after I did (which I DID state, for the record). He said that it would help save Meta. Nothing came out of that discussion when I asked how.

I never realised that investigating the same guy would be so disastrous; granted, I don't expect someone to say outright, "if you both investigate the same person I'm going to flip pomegranate and accuse you all of witchcraft", but more opposition would have helped... I noticed that sanity was brought back up when I read through so I chose to confirm sanity first. Now it's all moot since I doubt I can be believed anymore.

Regardless, I will continue investigating and reporting my results, even if nobody believes me. When I'm killed, and my innocence proven, I sincerely hope they could be of use to everyone in the future

But you said, and I quote, "from the two alleged cops." I'm serious when I'm asking what more information you could possibly ask for. Even from other people; what are they meant to know about us?

I'm more fed up at the situation, not at you (sorry if I got snappy at you, or anyone else ). I feel like if I hadn't investigated Olsi, we wouldn't be under fire like this. I honestly believed that Meta and Holy were cops, and I trusted that we needed to investigate the same person. I did suggest that we investigate two people, as a downplay of Khaini's idea, but that would have been moot as Meta wasn't a cop in the first place.

I don't doubt that you're a new player at all (OMGUS proved that to me), I just feel like you might be leaning on it a bit too much. I'm a new player, too.

I'd like to mention that the entire reason why I claimed in the first place was to counter Meta's claim. From what I had read on mafiascum, there was usually only one cop. I investigated ChaoticCJ instead of y0y0 because y0y0 didn't vote to kill someone that I thought was already going to die, and he had said that he "had" to vote for Sega, rather than Words. I only assumed that green meant innocent. I can repost the flavour text if you'd like so you can see what you'd get out of it.

EDIT: forgot to mention that I'm stupid, but not stupid enough to claim cop with only one innocent result. I can read, guys. It was discouraged last game as well.

Yes, I did confirm him as innocent. My PM told me that he was "definitely an apple", then mentioned that he was green. Honestly, if I misinterpreted that as innocent, then I'm sorry. I can see why that might strike people to be suss.

I know this is all hindsight, but if people were so opposed to the Words lynch yesterday, then why didn't they tell us? My hypothetical scenarios were based on what I believed at the time. I believed Meta and Holy, though I was admittedly suss about what Holy was trying to achieve by claiming after I did (which I DID state, for the record). He said that it would help save Meta. Nothing came out of that discussion when I asked how.

I never realised that investigating the same guy would be so disastrous; granted, I don't expect someone to say outright, "if you both investigate the same person I'm going to flip pomegranate and accuse you all of witchcraft", but more opposition would have helped... I noticed that sanity was brought back up when I read through so I chose to confirm sanity first. Now it's all moot since I doubt I can be believed anymore.

Regardless, I will continue investigating and reporting my results, even if nobody believes me. When I'm killed, and my innocence proven, I sincerely hope they could be of use to everyone in the future

And I found the reason why Kyrastri is less suspicious to me as compared to Holypie at first. The thing said it all.

I think I misused the word "information" when I meant suspicions instead. My bad. Really, my bad.

Maybe you're right, I did lean too much on the fact that I'm a new player.

I'd like to mention that the entire reason why I claimed in the first place was to counter Meta's claim. From what I had read on mafiascum, there was usually only one cop. I investigated ChaoticCJ instead of y0y0 because y0y0 didn't vote to kill someone that I thought was already going to die, and he had said that he "had" to vote for Sega, rather than Words. I only assumed that green meant innocent. I can repost the flavour text if you'd like so you can see what you'd get out of it.

EDIT: forgot to mention that I'm stupid, but not stupid enough to claim cop with only one innocent result. I can read, guys. It was discouraged last game as well.

Yes, I did confirm him as innocent. My PM told me that he was "definitely an apple", then mentioned that he was green. Honestly, if I misinterpreted that as innocent, then I'm sorry. I can see why that might strike people to be suss.

I didn't mean to get you implicated to be honest. I somehow missed the post where you said CJ was clean before I posted, and when fanokarino brought it up I looked back. Even so, I don't really suspect you of anything, because...

Unfortunately "definitely an apple" combined with green doesn't necessarily mean that he's good. Words was an Apple as well, and while Words was a "old, dried out Granny Smith apple with gnarled stem near the top of [their] tree," both of those things are true for Words as well. Granny Smith Apples are both apples and green. Unfortunately your text is not descriptive enough to determine anything.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, we need to seriously consider the possibility that the fact that Words was a Granny Smith apple and in control of the bad apples gang may imply that all bad apples are Granny Smith apples. If this were true, that would mean that CJ is mafia, because he is likely also a Granny Smith apple.

I know this is all hindsight, but if people were so opposed to the Words lynch yesterday, then why didn't they tell us? My hypothetical scenarios were based on what I believed at the time. I believed Meta and Holy, though I was admittedly suss about what Holy was trying to achieve by claiming after I did (which I DID state, for the record). He said that it would help save Meta. Nothing came out of that discussion when I asked how.

I never realised that investigating the same guy would be so disastrous; granted, I don't expect someone to say outright, "if you both investigate the same person I'm going to flip pomegranate and accuse you all of witchcraft", but more opposition would have helped... I noticed that sanity was brought back up when I read through so I chose to confirm sanity first. Now it's all moot since I doubt I can be believed anymore.

Regardless, I will continue investigating and reporting my results, even if nobody believes me. When I'm killed, and my innocence proven, I sincerely hope they could be of use to everyone in the future

I was only opposed to the Words lynch myself because I feared it to be a trap to get two good apples killed, something I specifically said, because Words was so against me the day before and then suddenly he's evil? It seemed way too convenient for me.

In the end, Meta getting killed isn't that bad. It's sad and sucks that we lose an ability player, but we shouldn't forget that Meta lied. Meta had two options from there, either tell the truth (and then get lynched at about a 95% chance out of fear of bussing/something else) which would waste a lynch big time, or to continue the lie which would make things significantly worse, and eventually end up with the same result because no one would trust them anymore. Having Meta killed wasn't exactly the worst case scenario, even though Khaini is flipping out about it.

And I found the reason why Kyrastri is less suspicious to me as compared to Holypie at first. The thing said it all.

I think I misused the word "information" when I meant suspicions instead. My bad. Really, my bad.

Maybe you're right, I did lean too much on the fact that I'm a new player.

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But I still somehow have some hunch about Polantaris' suspicions about CJ. It's just too difficult to be ignored. My personal suspicions about Shidoshi is another suspicion which I cannot ignored, although Shidoshi has stated that he is at the beach until the 21st.

I'll think about my theory once again, and I'll vote for the person after that.

I'm glad we've clarified the information thing up Information (defining as valid facts) is hard to come by, since everyone's suspicious of everyone as the name of the game.

At least you've acknowledged it I'll be looking forward to reading more of your games in the future. (assuming you still want to play, haha)

Regarding your edit, if it helps you, ignore my info on Chaotic. If you have reason to suspect me, you should be suspecting him as well. I cleared him with flavour that, even to me, is a little insubstantial now compared to my Night 2 flavour PM, which declared Olsi outright as a "good apple" who was not "suspicious at all". "Good" is definitely more clear than "green", which could be just a fact. I still want to be naive and believe that he's innocent, but if you have any reason to suspect him, please do not hide your feelings. If I die outing a mafia, I'll call that a job well done, regardless of whether I 'win' this game.

EDIT: noticed that [MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; posted what I was thinking before I did >:C mind reader~

But I still somehow have some hunch about Polantaris' suspicions about CJ. It's just too difficult to be ignored, although you have proven otherwise. My personal suspicions about Shidoshi is another suspicion which I cannot ignore, although Shidoshi has stated that he is at the beach until the 21st.

I'll think about my theory once again, and I'll vote for the person after that.

Current suspicions:
1. Holypie
I'm really sorry, but I have no specific reasons that I think you might be the mafia. Kyrastri is more believable as a cop, and I think there's only one cop in the game. And I'm standing strong in the theory that one of the cops is a mafia.

2. ChaoticCJ
I see that you are lurking, but I don't see any posts from you (My bad if you do). Even when people are suspicious of you, you did not post to defend yourself, which I find rather odd.

[EDIT] You did post, my bad. Your post was quite similar to Shidoshi's: Short and not really helpful (Like mine too, unfortunately)

3. Kyrastri
As much I hate this, but you were the only one to check on CJ, and I cannot entirely believe that.

4. Shidoshi
You've been pretty quiet these few days. I know you're at the beach, and you can't post as often. However, as quoted by other people, your posts are short and less meaningful compared to usual.

5. Polantaris/faonkarino
Both of your posts are considered persuasive to me. I mean, it's not bad, but I don't know whether you two are believable or not.

Other players are not in my radar yet, although Corn is coming closer with his erraticness (somewhat similar to me in Day 1, unfortunately)

I'm really sorry if my posts are inaccurate in your opinion, but I have my beliefs and suspicions in this, which I hope I'm right.

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I'm glad we've clarified the information thing up Information (defining as valid facts) is hard to come by, since everyone's suspicious of everyone as the name of the game.

At least you've acknowledged it I'll be looking forward to reading more of your games in the future. (assuming you still want to play, haha)

Regarding your edit, if it helps you, ignore my info on Chaotic. If you have reason to suspect me, you should be suspecting him as well. I cleared him with flavour that, even to me, is a little insubstantial now compared to my Night 2 flavour PM, which declared Olsi outright as a "good apple" who was not "suspicious at all". "Good" is definitely more clear than "green", which could be just a fact. I still want to be naive and believe that he's innocent, but if you have any reason to suspect him, please do not hide your feelings. If I die outing a mafia, I'll call that a job well done, regardless of whether I 'win' this game.

EDIT: noticed that Polantaris; posted what I was thinking before I did >:C mind reader~

I do! I find it interesting, even though people are suspicious of me haha. I've done the last paragraph as above

I really hope one of the suspicious people I've listed above is a mafia, because if not, I'm terribly sorry to say that I failed as a player.

3. Kyrastri
As much I hate this, but you were the only one to check on CJ, and I cannot entirely believe that.

Don't worry about it You have every right to believe that, since even now I'm starting to doubt my own investigations. I'd attribute it to the fact that I've never actually seen what your standard cop investigation result would/should look like, but even I should have realised that what I was given was merely describing the type of apple they were, not their alignment. I guess I was too excited that "holy pomegranate I get info ".

I want to believe that Holypie is a cop, since xBTAx did mention that two people were watching Olsi, so please investigate ChaoticCJ for me. I want more flavour text on him now that I've gotten a more substantial result that outright says that they are not suspicious.

I'm literally about to fall asleep as I type this so I can't respond to things as much as I'd like but: Granny Smith can't = mafia. We have two dead townies that are Granny Smiths, and I'm one as well. Now, if you're saying mafia = Granny Smith, I do wonder about the distribution of different apple types as we've seen only 3 so far, and I don't know if a split or lack thereof of Mafia across apple type would be the fair way to deal with this, if we're trying to figure out what Mas went with. Apple type is something to keep in mind but probably not worth using as strong evidence till we know more about the number/distribution of types.

Kyrastri might be able to determine apple type and also if someone is the non-mafia killer.

[MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION]; I am still typing and reading. I actually like to check my facts before pointing my finger on "suspicions." Every time I refresh there are like five new posts.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, we need to seriously consider the possibility that the fact that Words was a Granny Smith apple and in control of the bad apples gang may imply that all bad apples are Granny Smith apples. If this were true, that would mean that CJ is mafia, because he is likely also a Granny Smith apple.
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In the end, Meta getting killed isn't that bad. It's sad and sucks that we lose an ability player, but we shouldn't forget that Meta lied. Meta had two options from there, either tell the truth (and then get lynched at about a 95% chance out of fear of bussing/something else) which would waste a lynch big time, or to continue the lie which would make things significantly worse, and eventually end up with the same result because no one would trust them anymore. Having Meta killed wasn't exactly the worst case scenario, even though Khaini is flipping out about it.

Discrimination on color and type of apple is not a nice thing. Don't forget both Sega and Verrkol were also Granny Smith apples.

I will explain myself again, about day 1 and what happened. I wasn't going to vote on that day, but Shidoshi's vote made me really nervous. Double vote is a rather common ability so I really didn't want take a chance. At the time, and under pressure I took a chance by voting for Sega (mistakenly) hoping he would be the evil Granny Smith. I was worried that Words (at the time) was someone important to the town, since we have the uncanny ability to kill our doctors and detective by day 3.

I do find it interesting why no one brought this up yesterday...If you had these suspicions it would have been beneficial to have Holypie check to see my alignment(but no one seemed to question it yesterday). This seems to be the problem, people are holding onto suspicion and not bring them up...

I'm literally about to fall asleep as I type this so I can't respond to things as much as I'd like but: Granny Smith can't = mafia. We have two dead townies that are Granny Smiths, and I'm one as well. Now, if you're saying mafia = Granny Smith, I do wonder about the distribution of different apple types as we've seen only 3 so far, and I don't know if a split or lack thereof of Mafia across apple type would be the fair way to deal with this, if we're trying to figure out what Mas went with. Apple type is something to keep in mind but probably not worth using as strong evidence till we know more about the number/distribution of types.

Kyrastri might be able to determine apple type and also if someone is the non-mafia killer.

I can't help but think that MasPan might just be naming apples from his fruitbowl or something If it helps, I'm a Golden Delicious apple (I did hint at it in my post to Corn on day 2, but I'll outright say it here.), and my name is Gilded Gilly.

But you do bring up a point; there've been quite a number of McIntosh ones as well.

I can't help but think that MasPan might just be naming apples from his fruitbowl or something If it helps, I'm a Golden Delicious apple (I did hint at it in my post to Corn on day 2, but I'll outright say it here.), and my name is Gilded Gilly.

But you do bring up a point; there've been quite a number of McIntosh ones as well.

I'm a Golden Delicious apple as well, if you haven't noticed And my name is Goldy Goodwife.

And [MENTION=3195]ChaoticCJ[/MENTION], as what Niernen said to Corn this morning (in my area), read faster

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Let's not forget that two people were killed at the previous Night. This clue is quite important in my opinion, which is why I suggested/suspected that one of the cops is a mafia. And yes, I'm really sorry that I'm becoming more and more repetitive.

I will explain myself again, about day 1 and what happened. I wasn't going to vote on that day, but Shidoshi's vote made me really nervous. Double vote is a rather common ability so I really didn't want take a chance. At the time, and under pressure I took a chance by voting for Sega (mistakenly) hoping he would be the evil Granny Smith. I was worried that Words (at the time) was someone important to the town, since we have the uncanny ability to kill our doctors and detective by day 3.

I do find it interesting why no one brought this up yesterday...If you had these suspicions it would have been beneficial to have Holypie check to see my alignment(but no one seemed to question it yesterday). This seems to be the problem, people are holding onto suspicion and not bring them up...

Yeah you and xBTAx are right. I forgot that we had two Granny Apple innocents already. My mistake on that.

I figured it was a fear type of vote, but I wanted to hear it from you. I probably would have done exactly the same thing, you didn't have much time to react so it's understandable. For all we know Shidoshi does have a double vote and was trying to get you killed. I'm not sure, the fact that they randomly voted for you at the last minute is still pretty disconcerting.

As for not bringing it up...I didn't have much time then, not to do an in-depth analysis like I did earlier, and I didn't want to be throwing out random accusations based solely on memory. It wouldn't have mattered that day anyway because everyone was stuck on the Words lynch.

I can't help but think that MasPan might just be naming apples from his fruitbowl or something If it helps, I'm a Golden Delicious apple (I did hint at it in my post to Corn on day 2, but I'll outright say it here.), and my name is Gilded Gilly.

But you do bring up a point; there've been quite a number of McIntosh ones as well.

Yeah, I'm a McIntosh myself. I wonder if there's one bad apple for each type? But that would be a really small number of mafiapples, at least if the current distribution is anything to go off of.

I'm a Golden Delicious apple as well, if you haven't noticed And my name is Goldy Goodwife.

And ChaoticCJ, as what Niernen said to Corn this morning (in my area), read faster

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Let's not forget that two people were killed at the previous Night. This clue is quite important in my opinion, which is why I suggested/suspected that one of the cops is a mafia. And yes, I'm really sorry that I'm becoming more and more repetitive.

I wouldn't say that I am a slow reader, more like paranoid. I double...then triple check my information before post it.

I am curious how Meta's ability works after reading it over again. I thought it blocked the night action, but that is not necessarily so-it actually seems like a random bus driver? This makes me think that the second death tonight was a revenge kill, but I can't be sure because of the new theory I am working on.

I also think I (may have?) figured out why we have two cops. Whatever killed Meta according to the flavor didn't seem like an apple. Is it possible that Holypie can tell the alignment and Kyrastri can tell what they are?

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Yeah, I'm a McIntosh myself. I wonder if there's one bad apple for each type? But that would be a really small number of mafiapples, at least if the current distribution is anything to go off of.

This would actually make sense. It seems like we have McIntosh, Golden Delicious, and a possible third group to make a group of four mafia. With a possible neutral that isn't an apple?
I am still not sure, it is just a theory.

I wouldn't say that I am a slow reader, more like paranoid. I double...then triple check my information before post it.

I am curious how Meta's ability works after reading it over again. I thought it blocked the night action, but that is not necessarily so-it actually seems like a random bus driver? This makes me think that the second death tonight was a revenge kill, but I can't be sure because of the new theory I am working on.

I also think I (may have?) figured out why we have two cops. Whatever killed Meta according to the flavor didn't seem like an apple. Is it possible that Holypie can tell the alignment and Kyrastri can tell what they are?

Oh, sorry, my bad again. It's good to do so, unlike me (I blab out things before I forget about it entirely)

You have your point about the two cops, but until Holypie says something to refute my suspicions, I will not believe that.

It could be a crow also, as what I said to Kyra that day (We were joking that time, but it might be possible, since the description in the first page talked about a bird watching silently)

Hoo boy, lots of posts to go through.

[MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; Just to clear some things up, I voted for VerrKol mostly because of Yoshi's initial thought that power roles would be connected to names (which was actually somewhat correct, due to the reveal of VerrKol's flavour PM).

Might lend itself to proving the theory that ChaoticCJ put out about apple types.

It could be a crow also, as what I said to Kyra that day (We were joking that time, but it might be possible, since the description in the first page talked about a bird watching silently)

faonkarino did state earlier that it could've been a serial killer.

Oh, sorry, my bad again. It's good to do so, unlike me (I blab out things before I forget about it entirely)

You have your point about the two cops, but until Holypie says something to refute my suspicions, I will not believe that.

It could be a crow also, as what I said to Kyra that day (We were joking that time, but it might be possible, since the description in the first page talked about a bird watching silently)

The bird on the fence refers to the bird that lynched Sega (pecked his stem and dropped it on a fence post), though it could very well be the same bird with an appetite. We did lynch a perfectly good apple, after all; maybe the bird got hungry and now serves as a serial killer

safari keeps crashing me >_>

So I contacted MasPan about this. He said that the person who receives the number of votes first. Knowing this, there was absolutely no reason for CJ to vote for Sega at the last minute, Sega was doomed anyway.

CJ had one vote. Sega had two votes. Shidoshi voted for CJ, but Sega had two votes first, which means that Sega was still going to die. CJ's add-on vote for Sega was unnecessary, and the fact that it was literally 6 minutes from the cutoff is fishy to me. I'm still suspicious of Shidoshi, because the last minute vote on their end also seems weird, especially when they say that "it won't do anything. It's like they were expecting someone else to bandwagon at the last minute but it didn't happen.

I think its more likely he voted for Sega because if two other people have voted for him, he would have gotten lynched. If he voted for Sega, three people needed to vote for him. But that's just my opinion.

Also, looks like two pages popped up while I was asleep, and I'm off to work now. I'll try and read the rest and respond when I get back, but that will be ~11 hours.

Edit: Bah, behind again. I think it is entirely possible that there is one mafia per apple type, and we seem to have 3-4 types, so 2-3 more mafia. And as ChaoticCJ brought up and I mentioned before, the cops seem to find different things, one for type of apple and one for alignment seems entirely possible. If there is one mafia per apple type, the cop that can see type/color is very useful, as we could assume there are no more mafia that are granny smith.