Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory

Just to let everyone know, and this will be a quick one, as I'm still in class watching a movie, I'm Goldy Goodwife. If I could reveal the whole PM, I would have done so.

Also TheBirds isn't new. He's Sardines. He used to play mafiascum religiously for like a year or two.

(posting stuff! ack)

I was going to speak about each of you, one at a time, but I noticed that what I was going to speak was basicly the same: You guys seem completely lost. At first, you even CONSIDERED voting no lynch, and the way I see no one in their right mind does that. Every death brings information, even more so if it's a death the town chooses. Not killing someone at sunset is a waste of day.

I don't deny that I wanted to vote no lynch, though I did learn better from other people. Call it a naive mistake :p I didn't get why voting no lynch was a bad thing, though given the last game's waste of a day, it makes sense. The mafia there got one free kill, essentially.

I have explained it below Please do check. Yes, again, it might seem weak to you, but I stand strong with my assumption. I need more information from the two alleged cops though.

More information? What more information would you like, barring my entire bloody role PM, or my PMs word for word? I'm getting quite fed up with your posts, but I do respect that you're posting more often and with more substance than "idk, gut feeling". Good work

And I'm fairly certain that neither of us is insane unless Kyrastri is mafia or for some reason just saying she got the same result as I did, which I really doubt. So we're not in my worst imagined scenario.

[MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION];

I didn't want to wake up at 5 just to post my investigation results first, so I don't want that to be the sole basis of why people are convicting me. I did post my flavour text a few posts before, so maybe that'll help.

(going to be doing work now :c been neglecting notes typing this up)

Also TheBirds isn't new. He's Sardines. He used to play mafiascum religiously for like a year or two.

Wasn't saying he was (the opposite, really), but that's more experienced than I expected, huh.

Also TheBirds isn't new. He's Sardines. He used to play mafiascum religiously for like a year or two.

Shhh thats a southperry secret.

As for this I haven't had time to read everything and I have an exam until 11am (est). I'll try to hop on everything more in depth then but for now luv still sticks out as the new eager player to me, BTA role claimed watcher, holypie, kyra, and myself are innocent, and khaini seems like someone just upset, faon is new to this mafia game so its hard to read.

This leaves us with Corn, who hasn't posted much. shidoshi, polantaris, niernen, thebirds, and cakesXD.
For now im still suspicious of Corn, which is why I asked for him to be investigated since he hasn't provided anything in terms of discussion but just quick tidbits here and there.

As for the holypie-me-kyra-CJ theory, I have to agree with niernen, if they were both faking the role claim the real cop would most definitely come out as it would target a number of people as possible mafia, or there are no cops at all in this game, which would be kind of strange and unlikely as cops are a staple most of the time.

Edit: (going to bed ill see you guys then)

Why do people agree with me but still say I'm suspicious? Was it all the flavor text the first day? Because those were mostly jokes, and I was just trying to stay in the apple theme and have some fun since there really was not too much information that could be used.

I was going to speak about each of you, one at a time, but I noticed that what I was going to speak was basicly the same: You guys seem completely lost. At first, you even CONSIDERED voting no lynch, and the way I see no one in their right mind does that. Every death brings information, even more so if it's a death the town chooses. Not killing someone at sunset is a waste of day.

Whut? I never even voted for Sega, and had no intention to. I considered No Lynch voting because lynches on day one are mostly random. That's exactly what the Day 1 lynch was. The people who voted did so off of almost nothing ("afk vote"), which ended up doing absolutely nothing useful. Sega even specifically mentioned near the end of the day that they had some life arrangement that they couldn't get around. Why would they lie about that? But no one seemed to care, and in the end, how was that lynch helpful information to the town? It wasn't. We wasted one of our own over nothing. We were better off not lynching anyone. At least we'd still be up a person who was innocent.

Then yesterday everyone followed Meta's gambit and SOMEHOW managed to get the Godmother. Well, on the other side Words was veeeeeeeeeeery different from the previous game, and acting as VerrKol had pointed out, so.

I also specifically said that it seemed WAY too convenient for me, considering how adamant Words was against me the day prior. But, 24 hours later, Words said absolutely nothing, which just made him look more and more suspicious.

I wasn't going to vote for him until then, because I didn't want to get caught in the backfire when Words ended up innocent, because we had no reason to believe Meta and it would have made me look incredibly mafia if Words ended up innocent and I jumped on Meta's claim. I specifically didn't vote for him to avoid this outcome, because we don't need the mafia getting free kills, and that claim screamed trap to me. Words dug his own grave.

Edit: Grabbed the post link for you.

But now that there's no obvious mafia around, you guys are lost, discussing idiotic things, like pointing out the obvious, picking on flavored posts on day one, getting pissed off at bad events, or making such weak accusations, that they are completely devoid of good arguments and are not even accompanied by a vote.

I went to sleep right after the day began, because I'd been up way too late, and had intended to review the whole thread before I even posted again, but your post annoyed me out of that plan. I only responded to the posts I responded to because they were common sense and Olsi seemed to miss it.

Now, I'm going to go do just that, and I'll be back with more.

(posting stuff! ack)

I don't deny that I wanted to vote no lynch, though I did learn better from other people. Call it a naive mistake :p I didn't get why voting no lynch was a bad thing, though given the last game's waste of a day, it makes sense. The mafia there got one free kill, essentially.



More information? What more information would you like, barring my entire bloody role PM, or my PMs word for word? I'm getting quite fed up with your posts, but I do respect that you're posting more often and with more substance than "idk, gut feeling". Good work

Niernen;

I didn't want to wake up at 5 just to post my investigation results first, so I don't want that to be the sole basis of why people are convicting me. I did post my flavour text a few posts before, so maybe that'll help.

(going to be doing work now :c been neglecting notes typing this up)

Not information directly from you, maybe information from others. I'll be watching silently as I currently have no idea myself what information I'm expecting, and I don't want to post useless stuff. Sorry for you being fed up, just suspicious at you

Thanks [MENTION=6616]Olsi[/MENTION] for still believing that I'm an new eager player, which I am.

If I have a change in my theory, I will let you all know

Also TheBirds isn't new. He's Sardines. He used to play mafiascum religiously for like a year or two.

Agh these name changes, I guess it's what happens when you're away for a few years.

My pm just said that I watched him all night (creepy right?) and he didn't do anything suspicious so I'm confident that he's good.

I guess we're going for the silent ones again, which isn't that bad to be honest. Assuming 5 mafia to start with (which is a freaking lot) we're at 4 mafia 10 town, so we're pretty far from mylo or lylo.

Do you guys have any suggestions on investigations tonight? I'm leaning towards Cakes, Polantris, Shidoshi (depending on what he posts tomorrow, he's been quiet but busy so yeah), maaaaybe Khaini.

Agh these name changes, I guess it's what happens when you're away for a few years.

My pm just said that I watched him all night (creepy right?) and he didn't do anything suspicious so I'm confident that he's good.

I guess we're going for the silent ones again, which isn't that bad to be honest. Assuming 5 mafia to start with (which is a freaking lot) we're at 4 mafia 10 town, so we're pretty far from mylo or lylo.

Do you guys have any suggestions on investigations tonight? I'm leaning towards Cakes, Polantris, Shidoshi (depending on what he posts tomorrow, he's been quiet but busy so yeah), maaaaybe Khaini.

I am also leaning toward voting for TheBirds. It seems like the safest vote unless we all can agree on a theory.

As for tonight's investigations, I think Shidoshi and Khaini are the best options. I have a bit of a hard time trusting Khaini because of the fact that KhainiWest wanted to kill Meta and test Words again. Knowing what we know about how Words would have turned out innocent just seems strange...I can't tell if it was just a coincidence or not.

I think Shidoshi should also be investigated for the same reason I was-the snipe vote. Cakes would be a good investigation if everyone trusts KhainiWest.

You see, as of now I have a policy about AFK people in general. They do not vote. They're essentially stumps, so I don't bother with them. Usually they're townie anyway. When they're not, a mafia usually tries to bus them. It's what happened in one of my last games.

[MENTION=846]Corn[/MENTION]; if he's such a pro, what the hell would make him go afk? He didn't even leave an excuse.

[MENTION=6616]Olsi[/MENTION]; Cops can be left aside if you substitute them for Watchers, Trackers and stuff.

[MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION]; maybe it is because you post as much as LuvD and some other "stalkers"?

[MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; I was speaking in general, don't be that upset if you're the one guy that didn't do what I said everyone did, on the contrary. I'll be awaiting your post.

[MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION]; either is fine for me, since I'm not sure one any of those three since Meta's death. Hm.

I do have one more thing to add: Shidoshi looks like one of the afk, he's quiet and busy, etc, but in the end of the day his vote is there for all to behold. Which means he does not fit in said AFK policy and thus recieves a mark of distrust in my book. Two marks, in fact, since the Shidoshi I know does is not this quiet and passive.

I'd reckon if I ever removed my vote from LuvD, I would move it to Shidoshi.

You see, as of now I have a policy of AFK people in general. They do not vote. They're essentially stumps, so I don't bother with them. Usually they're townie anyway. When they're not, a mafia usually tries to bus them. It's what happened in one of my last games.

Corn; if he's such a pro, what the hell would make him go afk? He didn't even leave an excuse.

Olsi; Cops can be left aside if you substitute them for Watchers, Trackers and stuff.

Niernen; maybe it is because you post as much as LuvD and some other "stalkers"?

Polantaris; I was speaking in general, don't be that upset if you're the one guy that didn't do what I said everyone did, on the contrary. I'll be awaiting your post.

Holypie; either is fine for me, since I'm not sure one any of those three since Meta's death. Hm.

I do have one more thing to add: Shidoshi looks like one of the afk, he's quiet and busy, etc, but in the end of the day his vote is there for all to behold. Which means he does not fit in said AFK policy and thus recieves a mark of distrust in my book. Two marks, in fact, since the Shidoshi I know does is not this quiet and passive.

I'd reckon if I ever removed my vote from LuvD, I would move it to Shidoshi.

Well, I've suspected him in the first few days, then because of Words lynching, I disregarded that at that time.

Now you've brought up again, which I think is also quite plausible. But for today, I'm not going to regard that first, because I still believe that one of the cops is a mafia cop.

Maybe if I'm still alive for the next day, we'll see what happens. I'll keep my vote until then.

P.S. Sorry for the near-useless post, but I feel that I need to add the fact that I suspected Shidoshi. His suspicions are somewhat pushing us to vote for the person he suspects (My opinion, may not be true for some)

[Edit]
Niernen's suggestion is good. Pineapple a post if you've read it but you don't have enough time to reply.

I DUNNO MAYBE HE REASONED THAT "HEY THESE SOUTHPERRY DOUCHES AREN'T TARGETTING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T TALKING SO I'M NOT GONNA TALK."

Wait.

I SWEAR THAT'S NOT MY PLAN.

In fact I find it kind of questionable to begin with that holypie literally disregarded all of my logic just to go with a method to "clarify" something, and waste two townies lives based on that

I'm a little confused here. How is that Holypie's fault? No matter who they investigated, two people were going to die. Two kills were used. One was probably a revenge kill, while the other was the regular mafia kill. I don't understand your logic here at all.

In fact, if anything is the cause of the second death, it's you, because by your own logic and admittance, you're solely responsible for Words' death, and the second kill is most definitely a revenge kill the more that I think about it.

You disregarded my instructions which would have broaden our fog of war. Where are we now mr holypie? Two "cops", a good Olsi, and no f`ucking leads. Oh and to top it all off we have a secondary way for them to kill us off. All because of your paranoia of something that frankly at this point is irrelevant. Do you know why it's irrelevant? Because one of you has a secure lead, which gives a 50% statistical advantage over zero.

You took a risk, no, I convinced you and all you other numb skulls to take down words, and TRUST her, yes, it's a f`ucking her. Now we have no plan, and your juvenile deflecting tactic just really secures the scum level bull sh`it about you. You think I'm leading the town off path? I lead us to the leader of the organization and f`uckking crucified her.

Firstly, we had no evidence to support anything. For all we know, all three of them are bsing us. We know Meta was. Maybe someone else is the cop and they've intentionally hidden themselves to stay far away from this crazy role claim. Your entire "leading us to the boss" was based on a lie. Above that, how do we know you're not getting bussed in? It happened last game, and worked, which makes it all that more likely that the mafia will try again this game. There's no way for us to know, and your stubbornness towards this stance that you're solely responsible for Words' lynch is further supporting a bussing.




That aside, I went over the first ~10 pages of this thread and wrote down nearly everything. I'll be doing the rest later, but based on what I remember combined with the things I wrote down:

Very Suspicious To Me:
ChaoticCJ: Basically gets very angry over a slight paraphrase to his post about waiting to decide what to do. Then, when questioned later, he votes for VerrKol so that he can "force people to choose sides and see what happens," which appears RIDICULOUSLY mafia to me. Then jumps in with 6 minutes left on the clock on Day 1 and votes for Sega to kill him, saying that he had to do it to keep himself alive, but I'm not sure he was going to be lynched because of a tie.

TheBirds: Even more suspicious than ChaoticCJ, because he's posted ONE post that I've seen from my note taking earlier, and I don't remember a single post from him on the posts beyond that. Above that, this single post was completely and utterly useless. My note for the post is literally, "Completely useless."

LuvDWayULie: EXTREMELY erratic and chaotic. He's new, but I don't find that as an acceptable excuse. I would expect someone new to be far more passive, and maybe overreact to votes, but he hasn't done the first and only recently has done the second. At one point he actually asks flat out, "Who should we lynch?" He votes for Niernen because of supporting No Lynch....that he supported himself earlier. What? At another point he, (from my own notes) "Notes that he is a new player, and is going with the majority, which is frankly terrible." Going with the majority just helps the mafia get lynches on good people, as they will jump on the majority themselves. This highly supports a mafia status.

For these reasons I'm going to [Vote] LuvDWayULie He is currently the most suspicious to me. Why not TheBirds? Because inactivity can be dealt with later. Sega is a prime example of inactivity not necessarily meaning mafia. We don't know about TheBirds, there's just not enough information because they haven't said anything, while we have plenty of people who have said a little too much (myself included, I would be surprised if no one suspected me anymore because of how badly I handled Day 1). Why not ChaoticCJ? If he's right, and was voting to save himself, then it's not so bad. I'm still unsure of how that tiebreaker would have been handled, and I'll be significantly less suspicious of CJ if he was right and he had to save himself.

Slightly Suspicious To Me:
CakesXD: He votes for VerrKol at one point and claims that VerrKol is being erratic, but I don't see that at all. His votes all were in attempt to get people to talk. It's not much, but I got pomegranate on for not revealing every little thought so here you guys go.

Corn: His very early posts are extremely angry. He mentions more than once that he's both an apple and a corn. While it's probably flavor/random/irrelevant/based on his username, it seems really weird to me. He covers LuvDaWayULie's chaoticness quoting that he's new...after 1 or 2 people have already given him that excuse, so why? Except to try to add more support to a fellow mafioso.

Shidoshi: At least once Shidoshi has given votes without explanation, which we later had to drag out of them, especially towards CakesXD in Day 2. The last minute vote towards ChaoticCJ is a little offputting, especially since if ChaoticCJ is to be believed, it would have gotten him killed yet Shidoshi mentioned that, "[they] don't think it will do anything." That's a little weird, considering Shidoshi was keeping vote tally earlier the same day, so they would know what would and would not do something. Above that, I specifically asked them about how the tiebreaking lynch works and was ignored. Why? They've hosted games before and the rules for this game were practically a copypasta of their game, so they would know how it worked.

KhainiWest: The recent postings are a great example, and my point is outlined above in regards to those. His flavor crumbs were apparently received by no one, even the person they were aimed at (me). While that doesn't necessarily mean mafia I don't really get it. He also started off with some random chats about fresh apple cider with Niernen, but then uses cannibalism as an excuse to be suspicious of Niernen. Then it's an acceptable excuse to be suspicious of Khaini as well (Note there's two links in here).

[MENTION=13694]faonkarino[/MENTION]; Satisfied?

I DUNNO MAYBE HE REASONED THAT "HEY THESE SOUTHPERRY DOUCHES AREN'T TARGETTING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T TALKING SO I'M NOT GONNA TALK."

Wait.

I SWEAR THAT'S NOT MY PLAN.

OH GOD KILL CORN [Vote] C0rn

I'm a little confused here. How is that Holypie's fault? No matter who they investigated, two people were going to die. Two kills were used. One was probably a revenge kill, while the other was the regular mafia kill. I don't understand your logic here at all.

In fact, if anything is the cause of the second death, it's you, because by your own logic and admittance, you're solely responsible for Words' death, and the second kill is most definitely a revenge kill the more that I think about it.



Firstly, we had no evidence to support anything. For all we know, all three of them are bsing us. We know Meta was. Maybe someone else is the cop and they've intentionally hidden themselves to stay far away from this crazy role claim. Your entire "leading us to the boss" was based on a lie. Above that, how do we know you're not getting bussed in? It happened last game, and worked, which makes it all that more likely that the mafia will try again this game. There's no way for us to know, and your stubbornness towards this stance that you're solely responsible for Words' lynch is further supporting a bussing.




That aside, I went over the first ~10 pages of this thread and wrote down nearly everything. I'll be doing the rest later, but based on what I remember combined with the things I wrote down:

Very Suspicious To Me:
ChaoticCJ: Basically gets very angry over a slight paraphrase to his post about waiting to decide what to do. Then, when questioned later, he votes for VerrKol so that he can "force people to choose sides and see what happens," which appears RIDICULOUSLY mafia to me. Then jumps in with 6 minutes left on the clock on Day 1 and votes for Sega to kill him, saying that he had to do it to keep himself alive, but I'm not sure he was going to be lynched because of a tie.

TheBirds: Even more suspicious than ChaoticCJ, because he's posted ONE post that I've seen from my note taking earlier, and I don't remember a single post from him on the posts beyond that. Above that, this single post was completely and utterly useless. My note for the post is literally, "Completely useless."

LuvDWayULie: EXTREMELY erratic and chaotic. He's new, but I don't find that as an acceptable excuse. I would expect someone new to be far more passive, and maybe overreact to votes, but he hasn't done the first and only recently has done the second. At one point he actually asks flat out, "Who should we lynch?" He votes for Niernen because of supporting No Lynch....that he supported himself earlier. What? At another point he, (from my own notes) "Notes that he is a new player, and is going with the majority, which is frankly terrible." Going with the majority just helps the mafia get lynches on good people, as they will jump on the majority themselves. This highly supports a mafia status.

For these reasons I'm going to [Vote] LuvDWayULie He is currently the most suspicious to me. Why not TheBirds? Because inactivity can be dealt with later. Sega is a prime example of inactivity not necessarily meaning mafia. We don't know about TheBirds, there's just not enough information because they haven't said anything, while we have plenty of people who have said a little too much (myself included, I would be surprised if no one suspected me anymore because of how badly I handled Day 1). Why not ChaoticCJ? If he's right, and was voting to save himself, then it's not so bad. I'm still unsure of how that tiebreaker would have been handled, and I'll be significantly less suspicious of CJ if he was right and he had to save himself.

Slightly Suspicious To Me:
CakesXD: He votes for VerrKol at one point and claims that VerrKol is being erratic, but I don't see that at all. His votes all were in attempt to get people to talk. It's not much, but I got pomegranate on for not revealing every little thought so here you guys go.

Corn: His very early posts are extremely angry. He mentions more than once that he's both an apple and a corn. While it's probably flavor/random/irrelevant/based on his username, it seems really weird to me. He covers LuvDaWayULie's chaoticness quoting that he's new...after 1 or 2 people have already given him that excuse, so why? Except to try to add more support to a fellow mafioso.

Shidoshi: At least once Shidoshi has given votes without explanation, which we later had to drag out of them, especially towards CakesXD in Day 2. The last minute vote towards ChaoticCJ is a little offputting, especially since if ChaoticCJ is to be believed, it would have gotten him killed yet Shidoshi mentioned that, "[they] don't think it will do anything." That's a little weird, considering Shidoshi was keeping vote tally earlier the same day, so they would know what would and would not do something. Above that, I specifically asked them about how the tiebreaking lynch works and was ignored. Why? They've hosted games before and the rules for this game were practically a copypasta of their game, so they would know how it worked.

KhainiWest: The recent postings are a great example, and my point is outlined above in regards to those. His flavor crumbs were apparently received by no one, even the person they were aimed at (me). While that doesn't necessarily mean mafia I don't really get it. He also started off with some random chats about fresh apple cider with Niernen, but then uses cannibalism as an excuse to be suspicious of Niernen. Then it's an acceptable excuse to be suspicious of Khaini as well (Note there's two links in here).

As I said earlier, you'll lose an apple if you vote for me, and that's all I would want to say. I have nothing else to proof, because I admit whatever you said was right.

My first day was literally screwed up, so I'm not surprised if you judged me based on that. I asked who to lynch because I myself was not sure who to lynch. If you give me another chance, I would have asked the same thing!

If I could post out my PM entirely, I would. So, I'm not going to defend myself if you vote for me, because I can't do anything to stop you from doing so.

My suspicions about the two alleged cops, Holypie and Kyrastri, are still strong, and I believe that one of them is the mafia, as I repeatedly said so. Shidoshi is next on my list. So far, these three are the ones that I suspect the most, but if you think I'm a mafia just because I'm suspicious of the cops, go ahead.

And no, I've learned a lesson today, OMGUS is not happening here, unless your actions are suspicious.

As I said earlier, you'll lose an apple if you vote for me, and that's all I would want to say. I have nothing else to proof, because I admit whatever you said was right.

My first day was literally screwed up, so I'm not surprised if you judged me based on that. I asked who to lynch because I myself was not sure who to lynch. If you give me another chance, I would have asked the same thing!

If I could post out my PM entirely, I would. So, I'm not going to defend myself if you vote for me, because I can't do anything to stop you from doing so.

My suspicions about the two alleged cops, Holypie and Kyrastri, are still strong, and I believe that one of them is the mafia, as I repeatedly said so. Shidoshi is next on my list. So far, these three are the ones that I suspect the most, but if you think I'm a mafia just because I'm suspicious of the cops, go ahead.

And no, I've learned a lesson today, OMGUS is not happening here, unless your actions are suspicious.

I'm actually not suspicious of you because of the cop suspicion. I think you have a point there. Unfortunately if my belief towards you is correct then you're misleading us, while if my belief towards you is incorrect I can't really be sure either way.

Don't take my vote as an end-all, I want to see how everyone I mentioned responds, and I may very well change my vote before the day is up. You're just the most suspicious in the very suspicious category for me, but that can very easily change.

I know very well how bad screwing up on Day 1 can be for you. Day 1 was a sh'it-show for me as well, and Day 2 was more of, "WORDS! KILL HIM! Oh crap three cops wtp!" than anything else honestly, which overall is an issue because we didn't get much information about everyone else. We were basically done talking by the 24 hour mark.

[MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; About CJ: Didn't Chaotic get confirmed Townie by Kyra?

About Birds: I have already said my matter about this.

About LuvD: Isn't "EXTREMELY" a bit too strong? Corn is more erratic and chaotic than him.

About CakesD: Putting pressure on other people is good, however I did not feel Cakes doing as much as you said he did, but oh well.

About Corn: Corn is never angry. And I think he only starts playing at day 4, cause, well, pineapple everyone else. You know what just crossed my mind and would be rather funny? If under pressure, the "afk" people started posting and people actually suspected them even more for that because the town "discovered" they were lurking and now they must compensate or something like that. Something similar just happened to LuvD. He's putting more effort ever since I voted him, which could in time remove my vote from him.

About Shidoshi: I pretty much agree with you.

About Khaini (and to an extent, Niernen): I have a gut feeling that if there's a serial killer in this game, it would be either Khaini or Niernen. I don't know, they just fit. Maybe it's just overthinking of my part and my subconscious's reaction to their supposed "crumbing".

I know you guys don't like gut feelings, but I like mine. Oh, they saved my... Buttocks tons of times. Pomegranate, I do not know the word that substitutes for buttocks.

Polantaris; About CJ: Didn't Chaotic get confirmed Townie by Kyra?

I believe so, but we always have to consider that one of those two (or both of them) are lying. Too many people jumped on Meta's ship and Meta was flat out lying, and either got lucky or knew something we didn't.

About Birds: I have already said my matter about this.

Aye. We're basically on the same boat in regards to this if I read your posts correctly.

About LuvD: Isn't "EXTREMELY" a bit too strong? Corn is more erratic and chaotic than him.

Based on his posts in Day 1, no, but you do have a point about Corn. I still need to review Day 2 posts, which I haven't done yet (I wrote in depth notes for every single post, and it took like two hours so I'm kinda drained at the moment).

About CakesD: Putting pressure on other people is good, however I did not feel Cakes doing as much as you said he did, but oh well.

I meant VerrKol's posts were mostly to get people to talk, not CakesXD's. CakesXD's vote for VerrKol was saying that VerrKol was really erratic, but I don't see that at all, and I feel like he was just finger pointing for no reason.

About Corn: Corn is never angry. And I think he only starts playing at day 4, cause, well, pineapple everyone else. You know what just crossed my mind and would be rather funny? If under pressure, the "afk" people started posting and people actually suspected them even more for that because the town "discovered" they were lurking and now they must compensate or something like that. Something similar just happened to LuvD. He's putting more effort ever since I voted him, which could in time remove my vote from him.

I consider all caps posts to be "angry posts," whether they are or not. Last game he didn't play until Day 3, and it screwed us. I don't trust Corn at all, and I don't trust that playstyle at all, but I didn't see enough in the posts that I reviewed/my memory to make him highly suspicious yet. Like I said, I still need to go through Day 2, and will give another post then. I do remember a lot of the big details, which is why I didn't go through it before I posted, but some of the smaller things I'm sure I missed (I noticed a lot of weird stuff going through Day 1 again).

About Shidoshi: I pretty much agree with you.

I'm on the same boat as you again for probably going to Shidoshi if I go off of LuvDWayULie. CJ is highly suspicious to me at the moment but only because I need clarification on what decides a tiebreaker. I'll have to contact MasPan about it. That information will decide whether or not Shidoshi or CJ is a prime suspect, because they both voted for an important vote at the 10 minute mark on Day 1.

About Khaini (and to an extent, Niernen): I have a gut feeling that if there's a serial killer in this game, it would be either Khaini or Niernen. I don't know, they just fit. Maybe it's just overthinking of my part and my subconscious's reaction to their supposed "crumbing".

Khaini's reactions today have been very interesting. IIRC, he's a new player so I can't figure out if it's because he's angry at the events and how screwed up things are, or if he's playing angry. Niernen...I don't know. Yesterday he was pretty useful, I remember that, and my suspicions of him that I had on Day 1 were less after Day 2 events...but I honestly can't tell.

I know you guys don't like gut feelings, but I like mine. Oh, they saved my... Buttocks tons of times. Pomegranate, I do not know the word that substitutes for buttocks.

I find gut feelings to be useful information, but I don't let them decide anything. I'm a logical apple/person, and I rely less on gut feelings but I certainly do take them into consideration. Unfortunately a gut feeling is a bad defense, especially if things go wrong.

I'm on the same boat as you again for probably going to Shidoshi if I go off of LuvDWayULie. CJ is highly suspicious to me at the moment but only because I need clarification on what decides a tiebreaker. I'll have to contact MasPan about it. That information will decide whether or not Shidoshi or CJ is a prime suspect, because they both voted for an important vote at the 10 minute mark on Day 1.

So I contacted MasPan about this. He said that the person who receives the number of votes first. Knowing this, there was absolutely no reason for CJ to vote for Sega at the last minute, Sega was doomed anyway.

CJ had one vote. Sega had two votes. Shidoshi voted for CJ, but Sega had two votes first, which means that Sega was still going to die. CJ's add-on vote for Sega was unnecessary, and the fact that it was literally 6 minutes from the cutoff is fishy to me. I'm still suspicious of Shidoshi, because the last minute vote on their end also seems weird, especially when they say that "it won't do anything. It's like they were expecting someone else to bandwagon at the last minute but it didn't happen.