Adventurers pre and post RED

[COLOR="#0000FF"]So umm, I was thinking of training a new adventurer char together with my friend, and she was wondering whether there are any difference in creating them pre and post-RED?

if there are any differences, which would be better: creating and training them pre or post RED?

Thanks in advance~[/COLOR]

[video=youtube;0ekTBe5w614]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekTBe5w614[/video]

Personally, I'll be remaking my XBM (Lv107, no books used) and I/L (Lv94) since I don't really have anything to lose.

EDIT: I realise they skip pretty much all of Maple Island. If you're interested in seeing that you could just run a search on youtube and find it fairly easily.

I vaguely remember when KMS had RED, there was an event restricted to newly created adventurers only. I think it was a critical ring at 70, and an upgraded version at 130. I think there was also equipment boxes given out every 10 levels from 10 to 70 for new adventurers. On a more general side, there were attendance check events and hot times as well. But that was KMS. and knowing MSEA, I wouldn't be surprised if the events there are nothing but lacklustre.

As for the training part, most, if not all adventurer classes are easier to train post RED since they are stronger and more mobile as well. The only problem I would see training them post RED is that there would be a sudden increase in the amount of people playing, so finding a spot at popular training places can become pretty difficult.

tl;dr Train post RED if you want to make use of the events and such. Train pre RED if you can't wait to use the new revamped skills.

I vaguely remember when KMS had RED, there was an event restricted to newly created adventurers only. I think it was a critical ring at 70, and an upgraded version at 130. I think there was also equipment boxes given out every 10 levels from 10 to 70 for new adventurers. On a more general side, there were attendance check events and hot times as well. But that was KMS. and knowing MSEA, I wouldn't be surprised if the events there are nothing but lacklustre.

As for the training part, most, if not all adventurer classes are easier to train post RED since they are stronger and more mobile as well. The only problem I would see training them post RED is that there would be a sudden increase in the amount of people playing, so finding a spot at popular training places can become pretty difficult.

tl;dr Train post RED if you want to make use of the events and such. Train pre RED if you can't wait to use the new revamped skills.

I really dig the new default hairstyles though (well, just for females. The male ones are...ugh...).

Even if they screw us out of those events (I sure hope not though), I hope they at least retain the mastery book exchange event...that's like, my lifeline cause I have like 20 books total sitting around my inventory, half of them useless to me because they're for the wrong job or because I've already passed one of those.

I really dig the new default hairstyles though (well, just for females. The male ones are...ugh...).

Even if they screw us out of those events (I sure hope not though), I hope they at least retain the mastery book exchange event...that's like, my lifeline cause I have like 20 books total sitting around my inventory, half of them useless to me because they're for the wrong job or because I've already passed one of those.

From what I remember, you could only exchange mastery books of skills that have been removed due to RED.

From what I remember, you could only exchange mastery books of skills that have been removed due to RED.

...seriously?

...seriously?

Yes.
That's how it was in GMS, too.
Books for skills that still exist can still be used after RED, but they can still fail (unlike the new books, which can't).

I really dig the new default hairstyles though (well, just for females. The male ones are...ugh...).

Even if they screw us out of those events (I sure hope not though), I hope they at least retain the mastery book exchange event...that's like, my lifeline cause I have like 20 books total sitting around my inventory, half of them useless to me because they're for the wrong job or because I've already passed one of those.

if it's any good news, maxing any skill post-red is only 17m i believe, 7m for the level 20 book, 10m for the level 30, all skills, no chances of failure.

I vaguely remember when KMS had RED, there was an event restricted to newly created adventurers only. I think it was a critical ring at 70, and an upgraded version at 130. I think there was also equipment boxes given out every 10 levels from 10 to 70 for new adventurers. On a more general side, there were attendance check events and hot times as well. But that was KMS. and knowing MSEA, I wouldn't be surprised if the events there are nothing but lacklustre.

As for the training part, most, if not all adventurer classes are easier to train post RED since they are stronger and more mobile as well. The only problem I would see training them post RED is that there would be a sudden increase in the amount of people playing, so finding a spot at popular training places can become pretty difficult.

tl;dr Train post RED if you want to make use of the events and such. Train pre RED if you can't wait to use the new revamped skills.

mmmmm those rings sound good... but training is a chore ;-;

if it's any good news, maxing any skill post-red is only 17m i believe, 7m for the level 20 book, 10m for the level 30, all skills, no chances of failure.

[COLOR="#0000FF"]so we can exchange skillbooks that were removed, and also buy skillbooks from npc?
which would also mean the current skillbooks are close to useless because it's cheaper to buy from npc than to buy from fm.[/COLOR]

mmmmm those rings sound good... but training is a chore ;-;



[COLOR="#0000FF"]so we can exchange skillbooks that were removed, and also buy skillbooks from npc?
which would also mean the current skillbooks are close to useless because it's cheaper to buy from npc than to buy from fm.[/COLOR]

yep, final pact 30? 10m, MW 20? 7m
100% success

mmmmm those rings sound good... but training is a chore ;-;



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which would also mean the current skillbooks are close to useless because it's cheaper to buy from npc than to buy from fm.[/COLOR]

No that's wrong. When the npc shop came out the price for literally any mastery book dropped to under 500k each. If you can find a book in the fm then there's less point in spending 7m/10m on it.

No that's wrong. When the npc shop came out the price for literally any mastery book dropped to under 500k each. If you can find a book in the fm then there's less point in spending 7m/10m on it.

True that.. But given MSEA players.... i have no idea

[COLOR="#0000FF"]oh, how about mages and their mp gain? what's the difference between training them pre and post red?


sorry, i haven't watched the video yet because it slipped my mind, and now i'm at work sooooooooo i can't exactly watch it[/COLOR]

oh, how about mages and their mp gain? what's the difference between training them pre and post red?

Forgot about this thread. :x

There were some specific changes to magicians, including the removal of their extra MP gain on level up due to their intelligence. In addition, they now advance at level 10 like the other jobs instead of at level 8.

As for training:

1st Job:
Magic Claw has been removed, Energy Bolt remains largely the same but has become a mobbing move. The ball explodes on contact to deal damage. Of course, being Energy Bolt, obstacles and trajectory are a problem. Thankfully, Teleport has been moved to 1st Job. Magic Armour has been updated to boost WDEF by a % of MDEF, so it's much better now (though not so much for 1st Job). And bringing us back to the MP gain issue, MP Increase boosts MP by 120 x character level when maxed. I would assume that means that existing mages will still have more MP because they have this bonus in addition to however much they had before the update.

2nd Job:
Remains similar for the most part, but everyone gets Magic Booster so it should be much faster. And all attack spells now hit 6 targets so...

3rd Job:
Looks to be the same for everyone, except I/Ls which have the added benefit of getting Glacial Chain in 3rd Job post-RED. With high enough damage though, F/Ps can have Viral Slime solo a platform while they kill other mobs.

4th Job:
F/Ps have never been that good at training, and they still aren't post-RED. I/Ls are unchanged because they'll still be spamming CL, but if anyone was relying on Glacial Chain's damage before it's too bad because it's now a 3rd Job skill. Bishops got much better; they no longer have to rely on SR for AoE mobbing because they can spam Big Bang while Genesis is cooling.

Forgot about this thread. :x

As for training:

1st Job:
Magic Claw has been removed, Energy Bolt remains largely the same but has become a mobbing move. The ball explodes on contact to deal damage. Of course, being Energy Bolt, obstacles and trajectory are a problem. Thankfully, Teleport has been moved to 1st Job. Magic Armour has been updated to boost WDEF by a % of MDEF, so it's much better now (though not so much for 1st Job). And bringing us back to the MP gain issue, MP Increase boosts MP by 120 x character level when maxed. I would assume that means that existing mages will still have more MP because they have this bonus in addition to however much they had before the update.

So basically they only gain 120 mp / lv? that is so crappy....

So basically they only gain 120 mp / lv? that is so crappy....

Total MP = Base MP + (120 * Level)

So if you're Lv200, MP Increase will give you a bonus of 24000 MP. It's quite a lot actually.

Total MP = Base MP + (120 * Level)

So if you're Lv200, MP Increase will give you a bonus of 24000 MP. It's quite a lot actually.

whats the base mp gain though

whats the base mp gain though

However much it's always been, I guess?

Which would mean it's about the same as other classes.

However much it's always been, I guess?

Which would mean it's about the same as other classes.

[COLOR="#0000FF"]which is like 20 i think?
140 mp / lvl, which is equivalent to 1.4k int / level
~ 28k mp at lv 200.

yep it's crap if i'm correct [/COLOR]

trust me, mana is the last thing you should worry about :p