ShiKage Wrote:Haha, yeah. I kind of said screw builds at level 125 and decided to have fun with my skills. However, my views don't change about getting S. Transformed maxed before working on Demolition. Sure, getting level 1 Demo isn't a bad idea, but level 1 s. Transform isn't that great when you are going to be wanting to transform a lot.
Yeah, but then again so will having a piece of pomegranate attack that takes almost a full 2 seconds to use, and the only one maxed is really limited.
I've almost crashed training at 62 so i can watch yu yu hakusho all over again (already at episode 57 in 4 days or so, lol), but if i ever do get up to high third job/early fourth job, i'm sure as hell going to enjoy every last drop of fun.
1 Demo is weaker than Flash Fist for how much time it takes.
Whatever you do, just get Demo from 0 to 20 all in one block. All I have to say. For any build that doesn't, there's always a more efficient way that does.
2009-01-13, 11:08 AM (This post was last modified: 2009-01-13, 12:45 PM by Devil.)
NVM this post... It was based on a wrong translation...
Back to my previous build now!
Anyway, you can use CSB in (super)transform mode to make Shockwave more usefull! Snatch is about to get useless though...
Spoiler
Re-Updated my build projection (due to kMST update):
Since in the latest kMST update, you can use Demolition and Snatch in normal transform mode, and MW being increased to a lvl30 skill, I have to adjust my projected build again!
[SIZE="1"]120 : Super Transform (2), Speed Infusion (1)
126 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (1) (6 out of every 8 minutes Shockwave)
127 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (2), Demolition (1), Barrage (1)
130 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (11), Demolition (1), Barrage (1) (Max Speed Shockwave)
131 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (11), Demolition (3), Barrage (1), Time Leap (1)
140 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (11), Demolition (Max), Barrage (1), Time Leap (1) (Max Demo for bossing / Cheap training)
141 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (11), Demolition (Max), Barrage (1), Time Leap (3), Snatch (1)
150 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (11), Demolition (Max), Barrage (1), Time Leap (Max), Snatch (1) (Max Time Leap for optimal Bossing)
151 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (11), Demolition (Max), Barrage (1), Time Leap (Max), Snatch (1), Maple Warrior (3)
160 : Super Transform (Max), Speed Infusion (11), Demolition (Max), Barrage (1), Time Leap (Max), Snatch (1), Maple Warrior (30)(New MW30 for optimal damage)
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Well, that's assuming you're not 120 by the time the update rolls around to GMS. Which is pretty slow going 0_0
I'm interested in how the Battleship update could affect future Corsair builds. I know I'll still keep it at 1 for a long, long time, but it may be worth putting another 3-4 points into in 12x.
If you do
120: 1 Air Strike, 1 Amp, 1 Support Octo
121: 1 Battleship, 2 Cannon
122-5: 3 Cannon
126: 2 Cannon (16 Cannon for 4 bullets), 1 Battleship
127: 3 Battleship
That leaves Battleship at 5, costing you 4 SP but changing Battleship durability from 18k at level 127 to 34k. Seems worth it.
Also yay for FT+IS range buff. Don't have to take damage to spam FT+IS now.
2009-01-13, 01:27 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-01-13, 01:36 PM by Devil.)
LuiPoo Wrote:Shock wave is crap during training 20ks < 30ks with dragon strike.
Dragon Strike takes 3330ms when you're (only) spamming it, Shockwave only 1500ms (both with lvl11 S.I.)
Dragon Strike => 60.000 / 3330 = 18x 810% = 14.580% per min per target
Shockwave => 60.000 / 1500 = 40x 700% = 28.000% per min per target
Sure, Dragon Strike has 100% more range and you can use combo's inbetween... but to say Shockwave sux? Hmmm... :o
Quote:Devil- ummmm lol? Actually shockwave just became useless since you can dragon strike while transformed now.
Why would you want to use Dragon Strike in transformed mode?
Backspin blow (stun + move monsters) / CSB (godmode + move monsters) and finish with Shockwave is more powerfull then Dragon Strike... Shockwave does more DPM then Dragon Strike...
Dragon Strike's range advantage is completely gone now with CSB in Transform mode... (think about skelegons / crimson guardians)
2009-01-13, 01:37 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-01-13, 01:47 PM by DrRusty.)
Devil Wrote:Dragon Strike takes 3330ms when you're (only) spamming it, Shockwave only 1500ms (both with lvl11 S.I.)
Dragon Strike => 60.000 / 3330 = 18x 810% = 14.580% per min per target
Shockwave => 60.000 / 1500 = 40x 700% = 28.000% per min per target
Sure, Dragon Strike has 100% more range and you can use combo's inbetween... but to say Shockwave sux? Hmmm... :o
You only say that cause you don't have 4th job. Ask ANY buc and they will tell you d strike is superior to shockwave. It has more range and damage, and now we can snatch -> dragon strike.
And who the heck sits and spams d strike? If you can't combo your attacks together than you picked the wrong class.
About corkscrew, it only mobs 3. You're not going to have 6 monsters in front of you all the time. You need d strikes range to hit the monsters in front of you that you haven't mobbed yet.
Seriously.... I have both skills and so do other bucs. Ask ANY of them which is better. You'll realize it sooner or later that shockwave fails. I'm tryna save you from wasting 120 lvls of trainin only to have a crappy build in the end.
2009-01-13, 01:45 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-01-13, 01:48 PM by Devil.)
DrRusty Wrote:You only say that cause you don't have 4th job. Ask ANY buc and they will tell you d strike is superior to shockwave. It has more range and damage, and now we can snatch -> dragon strike.
And who the heck sits and spams d strike? If you can't combo your attacks together than you picked the wrong class.
I already compared the two skills months ago, you're talking to a buc already...
More range and damage? Yes... but it's slower... so over time csb + mass spamming shockwave will outdamage dragon strike + single target combo moves...
Quote:About corkscrew, it only mobs 3. You're not going to have 6 mnsters in front of yu all the time. You need d strikes range to hit the monsters in frnt of you that you haven't mobbed yet.
3 monsters + 2 or 3 in the 300% range of Shockwave... You're making it sound like Shockwave has a range of 100%
2009-01-13, 01:54 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-01-13, 02:01 PM by DrRusty.)
Private server? Lol
This reminds of the time people thought shockwave > blast, and marauders couldn't goby. So I made a video.
Or the time people thought energy drain sucked so I made a video.
I am telling you... In the hands of a skilled player, shockwave gets completely outdone. Guess what I'm doing in the next couple days? Making a video!!! *gasp*
This reminds of the time peple thought shockwave > blast, and marauders couldn't goby. S I made a video.
Or the time people thought energy drain sucked so I made a video.
I am telling you... In the hands of a skilled player, shckwave gets completely outdone. Guess what I'm doing in the next couple days? Making a video!!! *gasp*
You can't compare them yet, because you can't use Shockwave + CSB atm... unless you have acces to kMST...
If you didn't notice, I was talking about the time that it would come to gMS...
P.S. I knew drain was awesome before you did, because you leeched too much to lvl120 at that time and didnt have to time to check it out... but ok... :+)
Devil Wrote:You can't compare them yet, because you can't use Shockwave + CSB atm... unless you have acces to kMST...
If you didn't notice, I was talking about the time that it would come to gMS...
P.S. I knew drain was awesome before you did, because you leeched too much to lvl120 at that time and didnt have to time to check it out... but ok... :+)
Okay wow... You have no idea how much time I spent training to get to 120. The reason I didn't put points in drain is because of people like you and shikage preaching about how amazing shockwave is. Thank god I saw loose's video before I got to far.
DrRusty Wrote:Okay wow... You have no idea how much time I spent training to get to 120. The reason I didn't put points in drain is because of people like you and shikage preaching about how amazing shockwave is. Thank god I saw loose's video before I got to far.
Oh I thought you leeched yourself with your own Bishop to 4th job... That's what you said once in your posts...
Anyway, Shockwave is a good skill especially when you can combo it later on with CSB... I dont get why you hate it so much...
I never said it was amazing. Apparently you never actually went to the threads where I discussed about it. I always argued against Transform, since I don't really like it (even S. Transform). I put the Transform stuff in my build because of a debate Lilfroman, Dae, and I had about it.
ShiKage Wrote:I never said it was amazing. Apparently you never actually went to the threads where I discussed about it. I always argued against Transform, since I don't really like it (even S. Transform). I put the Transform stuff in my build because of a debate Lilfroman, Dae, and I had about it.
And yet u still have stun mastery and shockwave first...
Devil Wrote:Oh I thought you leeched yourself with your own Bishop to 4th job... That's what you said once in your posts...
Anyway, Shockwave is a good skill especially when you can combo it later on with CSB... I dont get why you hate it so much...
I left my bishop at the bottom of dark wyverns as a gen nule while I took the top.
2009-01-13, 02:39 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-01-13, 02:43 PM by Link.)
DrRusty Wrote:And yet u still have stun mastery and shockwave first...
I left my bishop at the bottom of dark wyverns as a gen nule while I took the top.
And I don't hate shockwave it just sux.
And there goes another hard-headed statement. You didn't pay attention to anything I've been saying in the past month or so, have you? >_>
My builds were supposed to be a secondary guide to Dae's guide, but then when Dae disappeared, I got all of the attention. I didn't mean for it to turn out that way and I've been busy with school lately, since it's my senior year, so I haven't had a chance to change it yet. Now, everyone get off my back. Geeze. >_>
2009-01-13, 03:02 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-01-13, 03:05 PM by DrRusty.)
ShiKage Wrote:And there goes another hard-headed statement. You didn't pay attention to anything I've been saying in the past month or so, have you? >_>
My builds were supposed to be a secondary guide to Dae's guide, but then when Dae disappeared, I got all of the attention. I didn't mean for it to turn out that way and I've been busy with school lately, since it's my senior year, so I haven't had a chance to change it yet. Now, everyone get off my back. Geeze. >_>
Of course I've been paying attention. I was gonna follow that build til I put a point in blast for fun. I realize that you don't have time, but if you don't support transform, why not take a few mins to change the build in your own way rather than dae's.
I gotta question for you though since you have a buc in jms. What situations do you find yourself in that shockwave is better than dragon strike? Every buc video I see has them at newties, middle or bottom platform, using dragon strike to hit accross almost the whole thing. I found it much more useful at peak and himes (where I'm making my video at). Coupling it with backspin for stun damage, its easy for me to do damage and keep my mob as full as possible.
