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To be honest, I don't know if "装备道具" means set equipment or not. My interpretation is, no it doesn't mean so, because 装备 and 道具 both mean equipment, and in the images both terms were used interchangeably. I will reserve judgement on this until we get more information. Losing that much %Boss and %IgnorePDR from RA is very painful though, and I am very sure nobody wants to lose their Tyrant's superior item tag just for a lame increase in item level, not when there's no further point in increasing the item level and a further enhancement gives paltry bonuses.

On a side note, the benefit of this carrying-over is: 1) you don't need to rescroll your perfectly-scrolled (or THEN-perfectly scrolled equipment... given how they dish out new and better scrolls...) equipment, and 2) you don't need to re-enhance your equipment, except for the last star "slot" (if you so feel that it is worth it to further enhance it, given that enhancement stats are fully carried over). That also implies that 3) you need not perfect your, say... Empress weapon, and still allow it to have its potential rank.

The obvious downside is... you lose your perfect potential, and as of now we don't know if the base stats are carried over (i.e. stat-for-stat), or if bonus stats are carried over (e.g. base 120 +35 WA from scrolling 7*5WA scroll ---> base 125 + 35WA from scrolling). The best outcome for us is the latter, and if it's the former it is... dumb, as of now.

It remains to be seen if your slot count for the carried-over Vortex equipment is going to be 0, or 7. Either ways, you don't actually lose money from scrolling, and if it's the latter you stand to gain with further scrolling (but yes you still have to use lots of money to further scroll...)

Just how much stats does one last enhancement on a normal equipment (say... 11th --> 12th star) give?

Hadriel

I don't think Tyrants can be transfered over. On GMS microsite it says Fafnir and Empress only.

Also, it depends on the player. Boss/Total adds up very quickly and is additive. A 30% Boss loss for me is less than a 10% dpm loss. I am not good at maple math, but if the stats do indeed transfer over and you gain slots, the total attack and all stat I get at the end of the day definitely should be worth that boss% loss. The PDR is an issue, but PDR can be managed. I would just replace the pdr loss with a 30% pdr line on my new emblem which is greater than the total pdr RA equips gives due to multplication. Partying with PDR casters also would help. If your not funded, then...well, yea, it might hurt and it still might hurt if your funded.


With your side notes, yea, pretty much I agree. Although, the way the phrase how they are taking a star away makes me think we get new slots. They could have just said, we are taking a star away so you can spend more money to get it back or gain a bit of attack. But instead they said, they are taking a star away for further enhancement. Then again, if you play the word game with Nexon, you probably will lose.


With normal equipment, well I assume you would only be doing this on your weapon, in which it depends on your funding and how you scrolled the weapon. But on average we are talking about an extra 5-8 attack gain.

Edit: I just realized that Pnedant/face/eye arn't part of the 6 equip set, I thought they were. That makes the already hard decision harder a. Honestly I need more info, but I can't condemn the thing yet, especially since this is CMST that seems to treat thier equips differently.

Ok I have some numbers out, and obviously I didn't include scrolling and stuff because they're supposed to be ported over. You will have to account for discrepancies for the unported equipment scrolling yourself (namely starting from a 1WA scroll, then PChaosing the rest of the slots).
Note that "ported weapon" refers to Fafnir weapon ported over to the Vortex weapon. Although I didn't show the Terminus weapon stats at the top part of the table for the "Fafnir-->Vortex" big column, I have already accounted for the differences for the Terminus weapon in the "Total" calculations. If I made some mistakes for the primary and secondary stats, don't mind me because I started this with Xenon in mind...

There are limitations to extrapolation because (1) this is the first iteration, and I don't believe they will let a level 160 weapon have such a low WA, since it doesn't obey level scaling; (2) highly dependent on jobs, especially since potentials play a critical factor, even in they hyper-funded regime and so this can skew the impact of the bonuses stated below (i.e. %Boss, PDR reduction factor/multiplier); (3) what other equipment you use if you are a Fafnir+Tyrant user; (4) everything else I didn't say. Interpret this with some salt.



Hadriel

For those interested about how the 160 equips look like.. from CMST

http://avata.sdo.com/forum.php?mod=viewt...a=page%3D1

As someone with mostly empress armour and equips, I would gladly upgrade my items to Vortex equipment (they look so damn swanky man).

I'm just worried about how hard they will be to obtain. I lost a metric-pineapple ton of excitement when I saw that you need the level 160 items already to upgrade to, because it means Nexon America is going to shove this stuff in Gachapon or Marvel Machine, and like Fafnir items, I will barely see any in my lifetime.

Also we don't know the cost for upgrading. I would be massively surprised if NX wasn't involved here.

Anyone know the stats on the Katara? Is it superior too?

To be honest, I don't know if "装备道具" means set equipment or not. My interpretation is, no it doesn't mean so, because 装备 and 道具 both mean equipment, and in the images both terms were used interchangeably. I will reserve judgement on this until we get more information. Losing that much %Boss and %IgnorePDR from RA is very painful though, and I am very sure nobody wants to lose their Tyrant's superior item tag just for a lame increase in item level, not when there's no further point in increasing the item level and a further enhancement gives paltry bonuses.

It looks like set is 套装 in CMS.
Guess I made a bad assumption about the meaning of that 4 char phrase lol

Anyone know the stats on the Katara? Is it superior too?

I think the items being Superior was a misunderstanding. I don't see a superior tag on those items.

I think the items being Superior was a misunderstanding. I don't see a superior tag on those items.

Ohh, yeah, just checked back and I think you're right

I love how this set looks, I'll definitely get it for my Bishop, but I'm not going to bother for my Dual Blade. Seems like a nice addition though, and the upgrade system is interesting for sure.

Anyone know the stats on the Katara? Is it superior too?

[snip] Also, the green words mean "cap-breaking/raising weapon", and in this case it raises the cap by 20m (the other line of green words). [snip]

I think many, MANY people would be much happier if they were superior equipment. You'll have to ask Grey for the stats.

Hadriel

Anyone know the stats on the Katara? Is it superior too?

Holy pomegranate, thanks for asking Mazz.

It's 61 atk, and then I was thinking just how OP the levels would be for a Katara, and then I discovered that the Katara has different level up stats vs the other weapon.
Level 1: +100 HP, + 4 ATK
Level 2: +100 HP, + 5 ATK
Level 3: +100 HP, + 5 ATK
Level 4: +100 HP, + 5 ATK, +10% Ignore DEF
Level 5: +100 HP, + 6 ATK, +30% Boss Damage

Hmm, apparently all the weapons gain 10% Ignore DEF on the 4th level, and 30% Boss on the 5th level, somehow I missed that. It's slightly better as set this way (I'm saying that just as an opinion, rather than a fact, given that after my last weapon had 30% Boss and 10% Ignore DEF, I can't go back to not having that), though the tradeability of it is still disappointing.

Holy pomegranate, thanks for asking Mazz.

It's 61 atk, and then I was thinking just how OP the levels would be for a Katara, and then I discovered that the Katara has different level up stats vs the other weapon.
Level 1: +100 HP, + 4 ATK
Level 2: +100 HP, + 5 ATK
Level 3: +100 HP, + 5 ATK
Level 4: +100 HP, + 5 ATK, +10% Ignore DEF
Level 5: +100 HP, + 6 ATK, +30% Boss Damage

Wait... WHAT THE EFF??? Can you reconfirm the levels for all other weapons? I know you said that the equipment has +17All in total once it hits level 5, but... ok if something like this is the case for all other Vortex weapons then it surpasses Fafnir-level weapons, and certainly surpasses Empress weapons. The levelled stats more or less obey level-scaling.

Hadriel

Wait... WHAT THE EFF??? Can you reconfirm the levels for all other weapons? I know you said that the equipment has +17All in total once it hits level 5, but... ok if something like this is the case for all other Vortex weapons then it surpasses Fafnir-level weapons, and certainly surpasses Empress weapons. The levelled stats more or less obey level-scaling.

Hadriel

I think you misunderstood me or missed my earlier post, the armor gains 17 all once it hits level 5, but the weapons gain 3 levels of 11atk and 2 levels of 12atk (and now +10% Ignore DEF and 30% Boss), for a total of 47atk (or magic attack), which puts them at like ~20atk higher than Fafnir weapons.

But these aren't actually "levels", if they were, they'd be marked so. These are "sealed", implying that you have to do something in order to level it up other than training, it first showed up when Pink Bean came out (then again, so did levels), and the original Timeless Pendant was "sealed", the only other item that has such a thing is the Inverse Codex, which we know you can't just level. We should probably wait and see how difficult it would be to obtain these levels.

Or perhaps, you only gain the levels if you upgrade from the RA set, and upgrading from Empress makes them forever level 1. I'm not sure if they have the ability to do that, but it would be a way to differentiate the set for people who care about their RA set upgrading into the same set an Empress set would.

I think you misunderstood me or missed my earlier post, the armor gains 17 all once it hits level 5, but the weapons gain 3 levels of 11atk and 2 levels of 12atk (and now +10% Ignore DEF and 30% Boss), for a total of 47atk (or magic attack), which puts them at like ~20atk higher than Fafnir weapons.

But these aren't actually "levels", if they were, they'd be marked so. These are "sealed", implying that you have to do something in order to level it up other than training, it first showed up when Pink Bean came out (then again, so did levels), and the original Timeless Pendant was "sealed", the only other item that has such a thing is the Inverse Codex, which we know you can't just level. We should probably wait and see how difficult it would be to obtain these levels.

Or perhaps, depending on what you upgrade, you maybe get the levels.

Ah ok I see that post, yeah I kind of misunderstood it because you were using "set" a little loosely which made me think that you meant those 160 set you mentioned was yet another set. Ok I'll edit my calculations too.

Hadriel

Holy pomegranate, thanks for asking Mazz.

It's 61 atk, and then I was thinking just how OP the levels would be for a Katara, and then I discovered that the Katara has different level up stats vs the other weapon.
Level 1: +100 HP, + 4 ATK
Level 2: +100 HP, + 5 ATK
Level 3: +100 HP, + 5 ATK
Level 4: +100 HP, + 5 ATK, +10% Ignore DEF
Level 5: +100 HP, + 6 ATK, +30% Boss Damage

Hmm, apparently all the weapons gain 10% Ignore DEF on the 4th level, and 30% Boss on the 5th level, somehow I missed that. It's slightly better as set this way (I'm saying that just as an opinion, rather than a fact, given that after my last weapon had 30% Boss and 10% Ignore DEF, I can't go back to not having that), though the tradeability of it is still disappointing.

Holy pomegranate indeed :f6:

20 ATT less than the Terminus Katara base, but +25 ATT from level ups, 10% ignore DEF AND 30% boss.. untradeable forever though right? =/
I think I'll probably stick with my Terminus for now anyway, but dang, if we ever get an item to make untradeable items tradeable I'll get one of those instead. That's crazy. O_o

And why does Nexon insist on making Kataras so easily replaceable?! First we had the Fafnir, then Sengoku, then Terminus, and now this.

I was wrong about the Inverse Codex, it's also "level" vs "sealed". So, the only item that's ever been "sealed" was the Timeless Pendant, and that was scrapped and now it's "level" like everything else.

Also, it's kinda weird that the Katara also gains 30% Boss and 10% Ignore DEF, the fact that it gains less attack than the other weapons shows that they clearly thought about it, but still gave it 10% Ignore DEF and 30% Boss Damage anyway.

I was wrong about the Inverse Codex, it's also "level" vs "sealed". So, the only item that's ever been "sealed" was the Timeless Pendant, and that was scrapped and now it's "level" like everything else.

Also, it's kinda weird that the Katara also gains 30% Boss and 10% Ignore DEF, the fact that it gains less attack than the other weapons shows that they clearly thought about it, but still gave it 10% Ignore DEF and 30% Boss Damage anyway.

No other Kataras have had inherent stats (if it even counts as inherent? since these items level up.. but still, you get my point) like that, the Terminus and Fafnir both lost the 10% Ignore DEF and 30% boss (and rightly so), it seems odd that they'd keep those stats on this set.

No other Kataras have had inherent stats (if it even counts as inherent? since these items level up.. but still, you get my point) like that, the Terminus and Fafnir both lost the 10% Ignore DEF and 30% boss (and rightly so), it seems odd that they'd keep those stats on this set.

Yeah, which is why it's weird. But, it's still in testing, and like I said before, Fafnir weapons and the RA set effect was changed like 3 times before it hit the live server.

Crap crap crap crap, [MENTION=1747]Grey[/MENTION]; you're giving me more info than I can process them on Excel in such a short time. Hang on for me.

[MENTION=2375]Mazz[/MENTION]; you factor in the katara stats yourself... and anyone else who uses DA... too bad for you.

Hadriel

Not exactly related, but kinda related to this discussion on Fafnir, Terminus and Vortex Katara's and their innate boss damage:
Does anyone know if you get the boss damage from a Fafnir or Terminus Fan if you give the fan to Haku? if so i'm wondering if the Vortex Fan will give boss damage like that if it levels up.

It makes sense since Dual Bladers secondary weapon gets innate boss damage, Kanna's secondary weapon should too. since they are the only 2 classes that technically dual wield.

I'm guessing the boss damage doesn't count though, because Nexon hates Kanna (disregarding her hyper skills)

Not exactly related, but kinda related to this discussion on Fafnir, Terminus and Vortex Katara's and their innate boss damage:
Does anyone know if you get the boss damage from a Fafnir or Terminus Fan if you give the fan to Haku? if so i'm wondering if the Vortex Fan will give boss damage like that if it levels up.

It makes sense since Dual Bladers secondary weapon gets innate boss damage, Kanna's secondary weapon should too. since they are the only 2 classes that technically dual wield.

I'm guessing the boss damage doesn't count though, because Nexon hates Kanna (disregarding her hyper skills)

Unless it was changed, I don't think you do - http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%...26nxid%3D6