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#21
I took some time to review my stuff, and here it is. Don't mind the fact that I use "we" sometimes even though these are my opinion.

 Late Feedback

Hadriel
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#22
I just hope something comes from this.
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#23
The recent feedback through Southperry was the first one I did not participate in. In the past couple months I have done the same things in a few different areas and then I started wondering, maybe I should take this as a blessing. I was a common 12+ hour a week user, many time an easily 25+. What Nexon has done with the problems recently has actually done me a huge FAVOR. I am now barely spending 15 minutes a day in game, they have made it easy for me to break away. All the things I enjoyed about the game have been broken since UNLEASHED. I started wondering, how many other businesses that give my hard earned money to, would I BEG AND PLEAD to do better and still keep feeding them money. If you were out at a restaurant and they got your order completely wrong, your server did not even bother stopping by to see if you needed anything and the manager was not even around to listen to you, would you be begging them to take your money or would you find a different restaurant that appreciated your patronage. Thanks to comments made by Aurtax on the Maple Forum and inaction by the company he represents this is where I am. I have a date set, one that i feel is a reasonable amount of time for changes to start happening, and if they dont I will take my money elsewhere. Yes, I have noticed a many are also following this path already.
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#24
moore4me Wrote:Thanks to comments made by Aurtax on the Maple Forum and inaction by the company he represents this is where I am.

For the record, what are you referring to here?
It's not having what you want - It's wanting what you've got.
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#25
Eos Wrote:For the record, what are you referring to here?

I am referring to his reply in post 7 here, http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%...26nxid%3D6. The fact that he has says the fans are working as intended here, but it has not been mentions ANYWHERE else by Nexon bothers me. I guess they will use this one little mention as enough to cover then making an official announcement, as opposed to at least making a mention on the front page of their website. I know people who even last week were unknowingly still trying to cube to hit % BOSS on their 2nd fan, and were highly irritated at wasting extra cubes chasing something that wouldn't work.



Edit: I would think Aurtax would have enough pull in his position to at least get a 6 line notice on the front page of the website up.
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#26
moore4me Wrote:Edit: I would think Aurtax would have enough pull in his position to at least get a 6 line notice on the front page of the website up.

#2 - [thread]2[/thread]
It's not having what you want - It's wanting what you've got.
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#27
Eos Wrote:#2 - [thread]2[/thread]

Yes, that is why I used the term "have enough pull". I know he can not go and make the notice himself. I would just think he would go up to the NOTICE person and say something like: "Hey NOTICEMAN, look I am kind of new here and got thrown into the brier patch on a few things. Do you think you could do me a solid and make a 3 line notice concerning this subject. Do not worry about releasing a secret I already posted the issue was known on the Forums and the higher ups know about it and you can double check with them on it."
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#28
Except they've almost never been able to do that in the past, on virtually any issue, why should they now?
That was one of the things we repeatedly asked for regarding Elemental Wands/Staves where it got repeatedly ignored or claimed to be working as intended even after several revisions of how it was working. They do not have the authority to just post anything they want, and even a request to post most things takes weeks to get approval for, in the rare occasion that is even comes because the higher ups have priorities that have absolutely no relation to what players consider important.
It's not having what you want - It's wanting what you've got.
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#29
Great posts, as usual. The reality is that even if a lot of these changes were to be implemented, we probably we wouldn't see them for quite a while and by then it would be too late.

People will pay for convenience. When business models are not convenient, people find other means that sometimes violate the rules. With Big Bang and cash item events private server activity dropped immensely. I'm sure even if Nexon were to offer a one time fee between characters to share cash items, people would do it. There are ways Nexon can earn small amounts of money through NX while adding conveniences that do not hurt the game. Making items like cubes available, and maybe offering premium versions in the cash shop may also be a nice compromise, or make the premiums available in game but at high prices. A limit could even be imposed on the amount of cubes that could be purchased all around.

How many people do you think resort to buying illegal mesos and hacking because it's too hard to play the game legitimately? At some point Nexon has to realize if their game is more streamlined and fair, illegal activities will drop as it's easier for people to enjoy and advance in the game legally. Nexon is lagging behind consumer habits.
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#30
ShinkuDragon Wrote:as terrible an idea as it is, and being the whole purpose of that thread, i couldn't bring myself to post there because just the sheer length of all that i would have to type (and my much larger pessimism lately) pissed me off to the point of not even trying.

i've tried enough in the past, i think i just crossed the line where i now think this game isn't salvageable.

Dood, you and me both. I have been writing my wall-of-criticisms threads since the very moment I participated in Southperry and frankly, I'm just tired of making all that effort anymore.
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#31
Savage Wrote:With Big Bang and cash item events private server activity dropped immensely.

It wasn't the cash item events that killed it. The problem was that Nexon was actively attacking anyone involved with creating a private server, and Big Bang was a major overhaul that required some serious time and effort to implement. Plus, players got tired of starting from scratch when their favorite server shut down thanks to a lawsuit. I've poured crazy hours into servers that don't exist anymore, so I get that.

But some private servers are still going strong. And the more pay2win Nexon makes their game and then doesn't beef up its customer service to show that they expect you to drop cash on their product, the more disgruntled players will leave and find better places to play Maple Story.
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#32
Sephie Wrote:Dood, you and me both. I have been writing my wall-of-criticisms threads since the very moment I participated in Southperry and frankly, I'm just tired of making all that effort anymore.

Agreed. I just try to ignore the negativity now and live in ignorance until the floor finally drops from underneath the game, sadly Big Grin

ZeekFox Wrote:It wasn't the cash item events that killed it. The problem was that Nexon was actively attacking anyone involved with creating a private server, and Big Bang was a major overhaul that required some serious time and effort to implement. Plus, players got tired of starting from scratch when their favorite server shut down thanks to a lawsuit. I've poured crazy hours into servers that don't exist anymore, so I get that.

But some private servers are still going strong. And the more pay2win Nexon makes their game and then doesn't beef up its customer service to show that they expect you to drop cash on their product, the more disgruntled players will leave and find better places to play Maple Story.

Of course, it was numerous issues but there was a huge surge of updates that contributed. The lawsuits intimidated a lot of people, but private server owners fought tooth and nail. A lot of developers who were involved in pushing the source gave up because of that, and then we saw repack after repack, and interest just kind of died out.

Private servers were part of the fanaticism of MapleStory, in my opinion. I totally get the controversiality of them, and why Nexon chose to do what they did, but slapping a kid with a $3.6 million judgment for running a private server was a bit much and I feel like burnt a lot of bridges that maybe didn't have to be burnt. But that's a discussion for another day.
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#33
Savage Wrote:Agreed. I just try to ignore the negativity now and live in ignorance until the floor finally drops from underneath the game, sadly Big Grin

It's hard to stay ignorant of a burning building as you watch from outside. And it's still our home... so we still check on it from time to time hoping to see if the flames died down enough to go back inside... before we're inevitably forced out again for the same reasons as before.

Some of us were like "noooo don't do that, it'll start a fire" and the landlord is like "nah it's good" and then we pleaded "no really, it's going to start a fire that has the potential to go out of control, and we don't like fires" but then they just ignored us. Then over time, a giant fire is just sorta there and the smart people, maybe partially burned, escaped and the more clairvoyant residents jumped ship way before because they saw the landlord's business practices... but there are still people inside paying rent, albeit unhappy, but still paying rent.

Then the bank calls the landlord and is like "what the hell, why is there a fire there to- uhh never mind, btw, give us our payments now so we can give you more debt while we expand / remodel / paint your building that's uhh burning". Landlord is like "oh no, there aren't that many paying residents left, can you help us out a little bit? Maybe deal with that fire?" Then the bank calls back a couple days later and says "sure, but only the things that keeps the building from falling down completely" and the landlord complied. And so, workers flew in a continent away to do a few touch ups to the house every so often, all to keep it from falling down into a fiery mess. But several months later, management feels the future isn't looking to good and gives out a message to all the old and current residents "guys, what can we do to get you back?".

So the residents came up with a makeshift list-o-complaints and came up with this: "I mean, it would be cool to have some indoor plumbing that actually worked most of the time, maybe a lock on our doors... that's kinda nice to have... especially with all the robberies that are happening, the brownouts that happen are pretty annoying because I have to turn things back on so you could work on that, the police arrested my neighbor with charges based on counterfeit operations so uhh I'd appreciate it if you looked into that a little, and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh maybe deal with that fire that started years ago?"

And the landlord was like "indoor plumbing working occasionally? You got it. Locks on the doors? Done. Well, kinda. We'll throw in some fancy curtains for you, but we'll need them back in 3 months".

You would think that some of us would roll our eyes... and we did! But we still took those beautiful beautiful curtains at the same time. And back into the burning building we go, all while the ones that stayed outside shake their heads in disapproval.

Where the hell is this metaphor going. I need sleep.
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#34
And voila, the end results (middle results?) of Southperry's feedback to Nexon - http://maplestory.nexon.net/micro-site/abettermaple/
It's not having what you want - It's wanting what you've got.
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#35
Eos Wrote:And voila, the end results (middle results?) of Southperry's feedback to Nexon - http://maplestory.nexon.net/micro-site/abettermaple/

Wow! I'm shocked to see Nexon actually putting the hard-hitting questions on there, like "why are boss drops only in cash shop?" and "why can't free players get more access to resetting potential/bonus, nebulites, the free market, etc?" Listing those questions to see how many people 5-star them is definitely a good step.

...though I've learned about things being too good to be true. We might confirm that these questions are super important, but then the answers we get are gonna be dodged like crazy. Or simple told, "we're sorry, but no."
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