You completely missed the point I was making (you commented that you get your CDR elsewhere, but all of the games you had on Zyra in the past month had no CDR items (or a single kindlegem from building Zeke's, which is an awful item in the first place). At any rate, we can compare Zyra winrates in Ranked since we're similar elo if you want. You can theory craft all you want, but what works, works.
You have 8 games, 75% win rate. I have 10 games, 76%. So either it doesn't matter what you build, Zyra is Zyra, or both options are equally viable and we can both shut the hell up and stop spamming this thread.[/COLOR]
You completely missed the point I was making (you commented that you get your CDR elsewhere, but all of the games you had on Zyra in the past month had no CDR items (or a single kindlegem from building Zeke's, which is an awful item in the first place). At any rate, we can compare Zyra winrates in Ranked since we're similar elo if you want. You can theory craft all you want, but what works, works.
You have 8 games, 75% win rate. I have 10 games, 76%. So either it doesn't matter what you build, Zyra is Zyra, or both options are equally viable and we can both shut the hell up and stop spamming this thread.
I was building Zekes cause I was asked to, not because I wanted to lol. And apparently my post didn't save when it crashed. I had it edited for Shurelyias and CDR in the Utility tree. But yeah lets stop it where we are.
hongyu Wrote:mid zyra is one of the strongest ap carries in game, the thing is she is very immobile so she suffers the same problem as Cassiopeia/brand
Dredragon Wrote:Mid zyra is like the easiest carry ever
you have your own team of plants, your team is just a bonus. I carried baddies with her from like gold to mid plat ish
It was a joke. I'm surprised you guys don't realize by now I love messing with @Dredragon;.
Lost bot lane @ 0/4. Just farmed up and came back to this.
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Curious why Cleaver on Corki - he already shreds Armor pretty well. I don't play him, so I'm not criticizing, just wondering if something else might've been more effective there.[/COLOR]
@MasPan:
Because I'm stupid and I realized no one on their team actually built armor. I was better off building another blood thirster or guardian angel LOL.
Edit: Our adc was in a legit taco truck running on DSL or some shiz. She had 10 farm at like 10mins. We all thought we were gonna lose by 15mins. Turned it around and won it.
Also, this happened. Probably effed up the build, but I could chunk Zed and Yi to near death and eat most all of the other teams skills while doing it.
2013-09-30, 09:29 AM (This post was last modified: 2013-09-30, 11:45 AM by MasPan.)
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Game 4 today
[COLOR="#cc8899"]After both of my Series matches having mid, top, and jungle feed the enemy out the ass (a 0/12 Fizz in the second one...) and then mid/jungle letting Lux snowball in my third game, it feels damned good to have a solid team. Even then, Fizz was losing pretty badly to Jayce mid / Elise ganks, Eve was raging at everyone while dying a lot, Sivir was constantly letting Cait harass her down/trying to dive their turret. It took a lot of work, several fights/chases spanning 30-45 seconds each (which is actually pretty good for Zyra, since she has such great sustained damage if her plants are ignored). First big teamfight win got us their inner and outer mid, with several kills going to Fizz. Next one got us their base turret, and then their inhib. Baron, top lane, and finally enough kills one by one to just end it. Unfortunately, if your team is all damage champs and starts falling behind, you're not going to recover without significant misplay by your opponents.
Oh, and Evelynn got a nice Dragon steal early in the game using vision from my plants and with her escape covered by a Zyra ult that blocked the entrance to our jungle. That, and I got the Baron kill somehow.[/COLOR]
Game 5 today. Loss, but I learned quite a bit from it. Also had some really cool plays that, since I was a support with basically no items, did nothing.
[COLOR="#cc8899"]Next match is a loss due to enemy team coordinating traps that mine kept falling for. Two ward baits and a chase through Fog of War. Ezreal gets fed, game is lost. On the bright side, I flashed 2 Amumu ults, brought Diana to fountain with another flash, and had multiple 4-man Zyra ults.
REDEMPTION IN GAME 5
AAAAAAND the elo gods have sent me angels. We went to invade their blue early. Since our adc and supp were near top lane already and could give a better leash for Lee, I suggested we send Rumble bot if he's confident against a Cait/Sona lane. He was, recalled and walked down. Draven accidentally took the blue, but it gave him an early lv 2 over Quinn. We bullied her down to almost nothing, then I flash Q+Planted her behind her turret for first blood. Sion crushed Zed mid, roamed, got some kills, Lee and Sion alternated helping Rumble bot, Quinn got next to no help from WW (either he'd show up to guard her tower a bit after she had to recall/die).
Long story short, Draven and I took top tower long with our own bot tower still having 1/3 of its HP. Rumble and Lee did a magnificent job of defending it. A team comp based around either split pushing or dueling with a jungler who provides nothing in a 2v2 lane and then some great tower shoves after all was said and done...easy win (they surrendered. At 20:05 we had taken an inhib and had a fed Draven, Rumble, and Sion.
Slightly frustrating that I ended up only being in 5 of the team's kills (Draven snagged two long enough after I died that I didn't get assists, same happened in bottom lane later on in an extended fight. And a ton of bot lane shenanigans/Draven catching people alone) but I did at least have pretty extensive vision control (Unused Oracle sitting in my inventory). [/COLOR]
A premade was trolling each other (I didn't know they were), and the rammus said that someone should play yorick, so I did (I had bought him, but never played him before). Ended up as yorick support.
What.
Five Second Pose Wrote:[IMGSPOILER=wtp 2 jarvans?]http://i.imgur.com/PbHxiYu.png[/IMGSPOILER]
It's still possible (clearly) to have 2 of the same, but a lot less likely now (Riot changed the way it works to prevent rerolls selecting a champion that is already on the enemy team). Double Nidalees or Double Sonas used to be incredibly boring.