PSA: GMs are banning players for attendance.

Anyone who decides to argue with you on any topic is a psychopathic masochist.

I've managed to defeat him in battle!

Let me screenshot this for you.

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Both of these, are NX bought.
Both of these, are able to be purchased.
Both of these, are only tradable, because Nexon made them tradable.

Neither of those are being sold to a third party (as defined by tos) nor are they being sold for anything of value (as defined by tos). This is a perfectly legitimate trade to nexon's tos.

Was that too many tos's or was i being repetitive?

- Well what is this? It seems that this thread went from discussing why players were banned doing attendence, to a discussion about whether selling/buying NX for meso is illegal.

- I find this highly hilarious because it's a fact that buying/selling NX is illegal, which makes you illegitimate. Refer to Section 2.3.2 of Nexon's Terms of Use if you don't believe me: http://www.nexon.net/legal/terms-of-use/

- In fact, I'll even quote it here for those who have trouble reading or finding said passage:

2.3.2 Cash Shop / Cash Items.

While playing our games, you will have the opportunity to visit our online store ("Cash Shop") and use online "cash" ("Nexon Cash") to license a variety of virtual items ("Cash Items") that can be used while playing various games. In order to obtain Nexon Cash, you may be required to provide us or another payment service designated by us (e.g., PayPal) with your credit card information and other information related to your credit card transaction (e.g., your billing and shipping address on record with the applicable credit card company, your credit card expiration date, etc.). For each "real world" U.S. Dollar that you authorize us to charge to your credit card, you will be awarded one thousand (1000) units of Nexon Cash; provided, however, that we reserve the right in our sole discretion at any time to change the number of units you will be entitled to for each "real world" U.S. Dollar. YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT ONCE YOU AUTHORIZE US OR OTHER DESIGNATED PAYMENT SERVICE TO CHARGE YOUR CREDIT CARD FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT, SUCH AMOUNT SHALL UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES BE REFUNDABLE, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, UPON TERMINATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT FOR ANY REASON, TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT, TERMINATION OF THE CASH SHOP AND/OR THE DISCONTINUATION OF THE SERVICE. You may also be awarded points ("Game Points") for use in the Cash Shop or through certain of our promoted events. These Game Points have no "real world" value, but may be exchanged by you for designated Cash Items in the Cash Shop. Certain Cash Items have an expiration date, while others have no expiration date ("Lifetime Items"). Each Cash Item that you obtain using Nexon Cash or Game Points will be included in your Account until the earlier of that Cash Item's expiration date (if it is not a Lifetime Item), your Account's expiration or termination date, or such date when the Service ends. REGARDLESS OF THE CONSIDERATION OFFERED OR PAID IN EXCHANGE FOR CASH ITEMS, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY OWNERSHIP RIGHTS IN THE CASH ITEMS. We have no liability for "hacking" or loss of your Cash Items from your Account, provided we will use reasonable efforts to replace such items under certain circumstances in our reasonable discretion. We have no obligation or responsibility to and will not reimburse you for any Cash Item or any experience lost due to your violations of this and any other Company rules, policies, notices and/or agreements. You understand that any credit card transaction-related information will be treated by the Company in the manner described herein and in our Privacy Policy, and, as applicable, in the manner described in the privacy policy of any third-party payment service that we choose to use. You agree that all information that you provide to the Company or a designated third-party payment service will be accurate, current and complete. You hereby agree to pay all charges incurred by you (or your child, if applicable) resulting from your use of the Service at the price(s) in effect when such charges are incurred. You will also be responsible for paying any applicable taxes relating to such transactions. You understand that we may suspend or terminate your Account if for any reason a charge you authorize us to make to your credit card cannot be processed or is returned to us unpaid and, if such event occurs, you shall immediately remit to us payment for such charge through the use of another credit card or other payment mechanism. We shall not be responsible or liable for any credit card or bank-related charges or fees related to any of your transactions. We reserve the right, without prior notification, to limit the order quantity on any Cash Item and/or to refuse to provide you with any Cash Item. Verification of certain information applicable to a transaction involving a Cash Item may be required prior to our acceptance thereof. Price and availability of the Cash Items are subject to change without notice. You agree that you cannot and have no right to sell or otherwise transfer any of the Cash Items, Nexon currency or any other content or information included in the Service, in whole or in part, to any third person or entity whatsoever, including, without limitation, on Internet auction sites (e.g., eBay, IGE), hack sites, privates server sites, gold farming sites or in return for anything of value (including "real" money) or otherwise.

- I believe that we can get back on topic now that this is out of the way.

You never copy pasted anything directly from the ToS that supported your point.
Therefore, there was never establishment that you were not allowed to buy NX/NX items with mesos.
Yet you can sell NX items through a hired merchant/permit, and you can also gift. Two options that completely defy this "made-up" rule that doesn't exist.
Real world trading =/= in game trading.

You're arguing a rule me and a user posted. Your response is SS a method to transfer specific CS items? Let me explain to you the legal problem with making pure nx transferable with mesos. Most of what nexon does is considered gambling, however, because you purchase the nx card you're essentially giving nexon money where nexon rewards you with an advertised amount of NX points. That transaction is the only legal transaction the united states (or any country for that matter) recognizes. Some states don't charge and sales and use tax, because they don't recognize the transaction as "goods".

Now here's where your argument cracks through, you essentially then use the points to purchase an item, which is a valueless software, defined by the TOS. By trading straight NX for meso it is in fact, considered real life trading. Because you're directly taking the points you purchased and putting them for mesos. Item's are entirely different circumstance, because you have bought into their software. There is a reason there is no method to convert meso into nx or vice versa direcetly. NX directly has a value, 25k for $25, but once you spend that 25k nx on anything in the game, it's no longer a direct proportion, you now, by Nexon's TOS, own a piece of it's valueless software.

No, it doesn't mean they should, it means that they have the authority to do so. Enacting all possible authorization without justification is not something that a company should do just for the sake of doing it.
Every single corporate business will have similar policies that outline their rules to protect themselves.

If you break the rule's it's under the discretion to cherry pick which rules they want to enforce, the point is, they should and can enforce any rules you agree to follow. Period.

Almost every company has the right to terminate you if they deem you "reasonably unfit" for the position.
Just because you agree that they have the right to do so, doesn't mean that you don't get to defend yourself. Why? Because in this scenario, the reason ISN'T reasonable.

They have to prove it first off. That is a legal discussion that we aren't going to have since the TOS goes over your head. It's a poor example because you're taking a form of employment in comparison of getting the privilege to use a service.

We don't have freedom, we live under a world with laws. We have broken many, and we have all agreed to comply with the law. According to your silly notion of what is correct and incorrect, any government or official has the authority and right to fine/arrest/prosecute you.
It doesn't matter if they have absolute right to do as they please, we have the absolute right to argue within reasonable boundaries.


Imagine you were new to a country and had to get onto a skytrain, and had to pay a fare. There are three zones total, each costing more than the next.
Your fare is a two zone, and you have to travel three.
On the back of the fare, there is no mention of any zone.
At the skytrain station itself, there is no sign or notice to ensure that you have paid for the extra zone.
You get off the skytrain, and the transit police arrest you and fine you $2000 dollars.
They don't give you a reason, they send you home with a two thousand dollar fine, expecting you to pay within a certain time period.

After hours of research, you finally manage to scrape up some vague policies about fares/zones on their main website in size 6 font after clicking through 25 odd links to get there.


Sure, they outlined that policy, sure, once you agreed to use the skytrain you have complied to their regulations, but you know what? We have every right to defend ourselves, because what they have done is not ethical, fair or just.

Apples and Oranges. See what you're unable to grasp, whether through sheer ignorance or stubbornness, is that the law does not just limits you, it protects you. So what you're telling me is Nexon is not fair in doing so, but nothing in the world can stop them from doing so. Nothing. So what course of action or arguments are you going to present and to whom? To the company who shanked you? The BBB may listen to your inquiries but that doesn't mean jack either.

That's the bottom line.

It is called exploitation, lack of diligence, and these are things that can be brought into the court to support your position.
There is a specific difference between willful ignorance and being purposely exploited. (Yes, I understand that you think they have the right to do whatever they want, but majority of them do, and it doesn't mean majority has to enact unruly actions)

Yes but Nexon's method of management of maplestory is not ever going to reach the court of law. It's very clear, you don't like the service, quit. It's even in the ToS. What do you think you can go to court and waste taxpayers money arguing over software that has no value? Free also means free of liability unfortunately. Figure this would all be a no-brainer but I guess I over estimated you.

A noob would and could entirely be in that position. I was. I only had money because I spent NX at the time. Did I still know prices? No. Perhaps others may have, but I have not. Does that mean I should suffer for their actions? No. It means I should be able to defend myself.

I agree, you should be able to defend yourself, like every mother f`ucking other person with common sense. The point is you can't. It has always been that way, and you signing up and using their service you surrender yourself to that treatment. Period.

Do you read? Or do you like cropping sentences out of my posts so that you can make a point that I've already refuted?
"If I were at a guest's house, and the rules of their household were very strict, and the owners of that household didn't care enough to establish what rules to follow"

Then your example is wrong. You are not a guest at nexon america, you are requesting to use their service. You're asking me to borrow my marker, you never own anything you do in any Nexon game, ever, you relinquish that right of ownership. You like many other players don't understand this, and feel more entitled as a user. Well, reading the ToS< which you still havent done, you'll see it's clearly the opposite as you forfeit pretty much everything.

If you lived throughout history with the mindset that you have now, you would be the biggest doormat to the feudal system. You would be one of those people who think rules are rules and if we live life, then we live by those rules.

Again, just because they outlined they have full superiority over you, doesn't mean they have to enact it.
Again, just because your boss has the power to fire you at any moment in time, and lie about the reasons as to why he/she did it, it doesn't mean he/she has to enact upon it.

Wow. You really haven't read anything have you? I quit using this system because there is no way to fight it, you have no legal standing against something like this. You do in real life, you have methods to combat what is considered unfair, you do not in the games of Nexon. So it doesn't matter how you think, or feel about how they do things, they can do it because there's nothing in your 17 year old brain that can stop them. Instead of trying to argue with me the obvious solutions to most unfair practices in business', you give me a non-fictional one that you could fight nexon with? You can't, because there isn't a method to combat a practice that in the eyes of the law, is fictional.

You never corrected anything, you never posted anything that stated you cannot buy NX with mesos in any way shape or form. You know why? Because you can. They gave you two options of doing it.

It says so in the TOS, the end. But I elaborated the legal crap behind it earlier just for you.

I only play, because I have invested a lot of time in it, and I'm crossing my fingers that they don't screw me over for something entirely unreasonable.
It doesn't mean that I have to accept being penetrated up the arse or watch others.

Yes you have, or you're ignorant of it. What have you done to attempt to stop it? Argue with me the moral dilemma that they don't give a crap about, clearly? You play because you're addicted, period, as any rational person would not put up with the service with the restrictions presented. They are there and your account is always at risk, just from playing the frekin game. You lag during a boss? Game recognizes it as no delay and bans you. Jump while flying on the crane from mulang to orbis? Permanent ban. These all have exited, including database leaks. So you're clearly the psychopath here.

Again, just because you agreed to their terms which states what they are allowed to do within reasonable discretion, doesn't mean you don't have the right to argue that they're in the wrong. Every large money making machine has similar policies, it does NOT mean they are invincible. Every company is subject to their customers whether sooner or later.

And what authority regulates such policies? There isn't one for a system like this. The only way for the customers opinion to even matter is if you stop using the service. You can't do it, so why can the guy next to you can? Because it's not an issue until it's become a personal issue. Out of the two of us, I have done more for the better of the community than you have in your entirety of playing this game.

If you keep banning for unjustified reasons, and don't have the diligence to inform the party of why, then you will eventually lose service.

Really? I mean, are you so sure of that? Because history is about to sh`it all over you. There are at least a half dozen instances of hundreds of players at a time being banned unfairly. Where players got hacked because of nexons database leak which they didnt even inform us about until 3 months later. Yet you still play, like other players still play. You believe in the power of the customers opinion which surely will eventually come together and stamp out evil! F`uck off, that is fiction. Most people who get banned make a new account and come back thinking they can become better, that surely they will be more efficient, that nexon can't hold them down.
If you keep letting people die because you didn't hire a maintenance crew to repair a few theme park rides, then you will eventually lose service.

Just because you state that you hold no responsibility over someone else, doesn't mean that you hold NO responsibility.

What responsibility does nexon hold specifically? It's a free service, there's no real requirement besides sign up to be able to play, what legal action can you and I take if my account gets compromised? What makes you think that nexon can't outspend you in the court system, until you're bankrupt over a small claim of perhaps "traumatizing experience". You know nothing of the real world, you're a naive child who is desperately clinging to some sense that everything in the world has some justice, it has too, there has to be repercussions to those who do wrong! This is in movies for a reason, Nexon hold's no responsibility, there is nothing that holds them accountable, no authority above them. All you as a person can do is leave and leave the sh`itty feedback on their BBB rating. That's the limitation of something that the law does not recognize after you purchase that NX card, everything in the game is for free, purely fictitious, if you lose your account, you lose nothing but time.

Neither of those are being sold to a third party (as defined by tos) nor are they being sold for anything of value (as defined by tos). This is a perfectly legitimate trade to nexon's tos.

Was that too many tos's or was i being repetitive?

So you agree, that we are allowed to purchase NX, or NX items with mesos, therefore mesos - NX type transactions are allowed.

- Well what is this? It seems that this thread went from discussing why players were banned doing attendence, to a discussion about whether selling/buying NX for meso is illegal.

- I find this highly hilarious because it's a fact that buying/selling NX is illegal, which makes you illegitimate. Refer to Section 2.3.2 of Nexon's Terms of Use if you don't believe me: http://www.nexon.net/legal/terms-of-use/

- In fact, I'll even quote it here for those who have trouble reading or finding said passage:



- I believe that we can get back on topic now that this is out of the way.

M=MESO
NXP=Nexon Points

I knew it! Eventually you'd go crazy after banging your head so much trying to convince/argue with these things that can't even understand what you're saying.
Good luck getting your sanity back!

I knew it! Eventually you'd go crazy after banging your head so much trying to convince/argue with these things that can't even understand what you're saying.
Good luck getting your sanity back!

IM PERFECTLY SANE, I'M JUST TRYING AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.

you need to work on your artistic skills

anyways, no idea if this has been brought up already, but what would meso for nx gifts fall under? Since the points are already redeemed they don't have real value anymore, no? Or is that covered in the ToS just cause

you need to work on your artistic skills

anyways, no idea if this has been brought up already, but what would meso for nx gifts fall under? Since the points are already redeemed they don't have real value anymore, no? Or is that covered in the ToS just cause

I would consider that allowed because it's your choice to gift NX items*(software), but it wouldn't be considered scamming if the person does not give you the meso payment. The TOS explicitly says no transactions at all, even though they are both valueless, I believe this is to discourage players of being scammed rather than the legality.

You're arguing a rule me and a user posted. Your response is SS a method to transfer specific CS items? Let me explain to you the legal problem with making pure nx transferable with mesos. Most of what nexon does is considered gambling, however, because you purchase the nx card you're essentially giving nexon money where nexon rewards you with an advertised amount of NX points. That transaction is the only legal transaction the united states (or any country for that matter) recognizes. Some states don't charge and sales and use tax, because they don't recognize the transaction as "goods".

Now here's where your argument cracks through, you essentially then use the points to purchase an item, which is a valueless software, defined by the TOS. By trading straight NX for meso it is in fact, considered real life trading. Because you're directly taking the points you purchased and putting them for mesos. Item's are entirely different circumstance, because you have bought into their software. There is a reason there is no method to convert meso into nx or vice versa direcetly. NX directly has a value, 25k for $25, but once you spend that 25k nx on anything in the game, it's no longer a direct proportion, you now, by Nexon's TOS, own a piece of it's valueless software.


If you break the rule's it's under the discretion to cherry pick which rules they want to enforce, the point is, they should and can enforce any rules you agree to follow. Period.



They have to prove it first off. That is a legal discussion that we aren't going to have since the TOS goes over your head. It's a poor example because you're taking a form of employment in comparison of getting the privilege to use a service.



Apples and Oranges. See what you're unable to grasp, whether through sheer ignorance or stubbornness, is that the law does not just limits you, it protects you. So what you're telling me is Nexon is not fair in doing so, but nothing in the world can stop them from doing so. Nothing. So what course of action or arguments are you going to present and to whom? To the company who shanked you? The BBB may listen to your inquiries but that doesn't mean jack either.

That's the bottom line.


Yes but Nexon's method of management of maplestory is not ever going to reach the court of law. It's very clear, you don't like the service, quit. It's even in the ToS. What do you think you can go to court and waste taxpayers money arguing over software that has no value? Free also means free of liability unfortunately. Figure this would all be a no-brainer but I guess I over estimated you.



I agree, you should be able to defend yourself, like every mother f`ucking other person with common sense. The point is you can't. It has always been that way, and you signing up and using their service you surrender yourself to that treatment. Period.



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Then your example is wrong. You are not a guest at nexon america, you are requesting to use their service. You're asking me to borrow my marker, you never own anything you do in any Nexon game, ever, you relinquish that right of ownership. You like many other players don't understand this, and feel more entitled as a user. Well, reading the ToS< which you still havent done, you'll see it's clearly the opposite as you forfeit pretty much everything.




Wow. You really haven't read anything have you? I quit using this system because there is no way to fight it, you have no legal standing against something like this. You do in real life, you have methods to combat what is considered unfair, you do not in the games of Nexon. So it doesn't matter how you think, or feel about how they do things, they can do it because there's nothing in your 17 year old brain that can stop them. Instead of trying to argue with me the obvious solutions to most unfair practices in business', you give me a non-fictional one that you could fight nexon with? You can't, because there isn't a method to combat a practice that in the eyes of the law, is fictional.




It says so in the TOS, the end. But I elaborated the legal crap behind it earlier just for you.



Yes you have, or you're ignorant of it. What have you done to attempt to stop it? Argue with me the moral dilemma that they don't give a crap about, clearly? You play because you're addicted, period, as any rational person would not put up with the service with the restrictions presented. They are there and your account is always at risk, just from playing the frekin game. You lag during a boss? Game recognizes it as no delay and bans you. Jump while flying on the crane from mulang to orbis? Permanent ban. These all have exited, including database leaks. So you're clearly the psychopath here.



And what authority regulates such policies? There isn't one for a system like this. The only way for the customers opinion to even matter is if you stop using the service. You can't do it, so why can the guy next to you can? Because it's not an issue until it's become a personal issue. Out of the two of us, I have done more for the better of the community than you have in your entirety of playing this game.



Really? I mean, are you so sure of that? Because history is about to sh`it all over you. There are at least a half dozen instances of hundreds of players at a time being banned unfairly. Where players got hacked because of nexons database leak which they didnt even inform us about until 3 months later. Yet you still play, like other players still play. You believe in the power of the customers opinion which surely will eventually come together and stamp out evil! F`uck off, that is fiction. Most people who get banned make a new account and come back thinking they can become better, that surely they will be more efficient, that nexon can't hold them down.
If you keep letting people die because you didn't hire a maintenance crew to repair a few theme park rides, then you will eventually lose service.



What responsibility does nexon hold specifically? It's a free service, there's no real requirement besides sign up to be able to play, what legal action can you and I take if my account gets compromised? What makes you think that nexon can't outspend you in the court system, until you're bankrupt over a small claim of perhaps "traumatizing experience". You know nothing of the real world, you're a naive child who is desperately clinging to some sense that everything in the world has some justice, it has too, there has to be repercussions to those who do wrong! This is in movies for a reason, Nexon hold's no responsibility, there is nothing that holds them accountable, no authority above them. All you as a person can do is leave and leave the sh`itty feedback on their BBB rating. That's the limitation of something that the law does not recognize after you purchase that NX card, everything in the game is for free, purely fictitious, if you lose your account, you lose nothing but time.

First of all, that is your interpretation. Therein lies nothing specific about using legitimate NX to trade with legitimate mesos. Once the NX is bought, the owner has payed real money. The difference between using items as currency, instead of direct NX is none. The other person who bought the NX with mesos will still use the NX, whether through gifting/cubing/etc.

Again, you say that you don't side with Nexon, yet you're saying they "should" enforce every rule whenever they please. Why?

It's a direct comparison between rules and policies. They both state the company has full authority and can terminate you within their own discretion.
It is a customer's privilege to be in any restaurant, mall, shop, game, or whatever have you. I don't see your point.

You're saying they a right to be unfair, and they should be unfair.
I'm saying they have the capability to be unfair, and they shouldn't be unfair.

I'm sure, that if Nexon's reputation continues to decline, it will lose a lot of business rapidly. Whether someone is fed up and attacks their server, or somewhere down the line they screw up, and some miraculous family manages to sue them for whatever insane reason.

Me, living life, is already an automatic compliance with my complete freedom, so according to you, I am surrendering myself. Just remember, that we do this in all aspects of life. Why should it any different here?

Again, it doesn't matter that every ToS states they can terminate your use of their service for whatever reason they please without justification. I or any other normal person who gets the short end of the stick for something we didn't do, will go to bat and do something at the very least. Whether that be something common, like stop using their service and letting others know how terrible it is. Or take it two steps further and continuously post videos/blogs/etc to destroy reputation. Or maybe even be vindictive enough to crash the game so often it has to shut down. This has happened to a server on minecraft that I played on, where the admins/mods were complete arseholes, had double standards, and used authority for personal satisfaction. Guess what, they were successful for about half a year, making a decent amount of money as side cash, but karma went and bit them in the ass. The server has been attacked so much, they decided to just shut it down.

Sure, Nexon is a bigger corporation, that also means a larger audience.

If everyone knew the entirety of the "terms and conditions" every time they checked off that box, everyone would be too scared to use anything.


I play, because I am bored, you are here, because you are bored. Surely you understand that you're life is just as meaningless. You think you have contributed to the community? You have exhausted the resources of this world just like everyone else, and you are the same piece of sh!t as all of us.

I'm not quitting at the moment, but I can, and so can the next. It already has begun. Having only 3-4 people in the FM on channel 1 is a clear indication that maplestory is dying. The fact that everyone is using smegaphones and moaning/complaining about Nexon, means that it is dying.

No one cares about evil or justice or whatever. What people care about, is themselves. If someone personally screws them over for doing nothing wrong, people will get mad. Get enough people mad, and you have a problem.

First of all, that is your interpretation. Therein lies nothing specific about using legitimate NX to trade with legitimate mesos. Once the NX is bought, the owner has payed real money. The difference between using items as currency, instead of direct NX is none. The other person who bought the NX with mesos will still use the NX, whether through gifting/cubing/etc.

It's the law sherlock.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5362

For it to be a wager it would have to hold a value, NX points hold a value until you spend them on maplestory software ie specific in game items. Sure you can attempt to fabricate a meso to nx cash trade, but that's against the rules for your own protection of being scammed. By purchasing an NX item with meso through in game means (which they conveniently made possible) we refer back to the picture I drew you.

Again, you say that you don't side with Nexon, yet you're saying they "should" enforce every rule whenever they please. Why?

Because you agreed to it. That's the bottom line, it doesn't matter if it's morally wrong or not, you said they could, so they should. There is no argument against this as there is nothing to regulate it, period.

It's a direct comparison between rules and policies. They both state the company has full authority and can terminate you within their own discretion.
It is a customer's privilege to be in any restaurant, mall, shop, game, or whatever have you. I don't see your point.

But you're paying for food, you want a quality service. When you purchase an nx card, it's worded specifically "rewarded". They don't provide any service besides you being able to have access and they will reward you for your gracious charitable donation.

For each "real world" U.S. Dollar that you authorize us to charge to your credit card, you will be awarded one thousand (1000) units of Nexon Cash;

You're saying they a right to be unfair, and they should be unfair.
I'm saying they have the capability to be unfair, and they shouldn't be unfair.

But yours is simply a subjective request, while mine is fact. They can legally do whatever they want, morally it doesn't matter. They just can because they have no regulating authority above them. So it doesn't matter if you request it because the only people who have the authority to make your request is the company you requested.

I'm sure, that if Nexon's reputation continues to decline, it will lose a lot of business rapidly. Whether someone is fed up and attacks their server, or somewhere down the line they screw up, and some miraculous family manages to sue them for whatever insane reason.

They have millions of dollars not specifically from maplestory. Although I will say that it's their cash cow. By playing the game you are being anti productive of this "vision" you see, stop being a sheep and lead the way if you think it's plausible.

Me, living life, is already an automatic compliance with my complete freedom, so according to you, I am surrendering myself. Just remember, that we do this in all aspects of life. Why should it any different here?

Yes we sacrifice freedom for security and safety. You have no argument here, because you can't give me an answer. Who will defend you? Who regulates them? NO ONE FOR F`UCK SAKE. You surrender all of that for this service because there isn't an option, if you have one GIVE IT.

Again, it doesn't matter that every ToS states they can terminate your use of their service for whatever reason they please without justification. I or any other normal person who gets the short end of the stick for something we didn't do, will go to bat and do something at the very least. Whether that be something common, like stop using their service and letting others know how terrible it is. Or take it two steps further and continuously post videos/blogs/etc to destroy reputation.

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All and I mean all of that has been done, GENERATIONS before you. Use google for christ sake.

Or maybe even be vindictive enough to crash the game so often it has to shut down. This has happened to a server on minecraft that I played on, where the admins/mods were complete arseholes, had double standards, and used authority for personal satisfaction. Guess what, they were successful for about half a year, making a decent amount of money as side cash, but karma went and bit them in the ass. The server has been attacked so much, they decided to just shut it down.

...This has been done before too -_-. Half of the duping issues happened just because of this. Anymore idea's? Not even confronting you probably don't even half the capable software to even do it yourself.

Sure, Nexon is a bigger corporation, that also means a larger audience.

But you'll see it's maplestory specifically with these complaints. So it's a small fraction of the audience. Also, because you're so goddamn lost on what the problem is. It's the maplestory Korean CEO's who give us the problems. So congratulations, you shut down nexon America, yet the policies and money making still is making millions from Japan/China/Korea.

If everyone knew the entirety of the "terms and conditions" every time they checked off that box, everyone would be too scared to use anything.

Your point? That they are no longer enforceable because of ignorance? "I didn't know I couldn't exploit this glitch, it seems silly that I can't!!". Seriously.

I play, because I am bored, you are here, because you are bored. Surely you understand that you're life is just as meaningless. You think you have contributed to the community? You have exhausted the resources of this world just like everyone else, and you are the same piece of sh!t as all of us.

I quit, and that action brought others to quit, which showed more of an impact on nexons revenue stream than your actions have done. The point, you have again, missed, is that you can spend waste your time with something that won't wipe you off the planet. You're playing a straight up abusive game and you think I'm judging you on how you live your life? I'm judging you how you choose to spend your time, especially with your strongly contradictory opinion. "Nexon is evil! -continues to play", dumb logic is dumb.

I'm not quitting at the moment, but I can, and so can the next. It already has begun. Having only 3-4 people in the FM on channel 1 is a clear indication that maplestory is dying. The fact that everyone is using smegaphones and moaning/complaining about Nexon, means that it is dying.

People have been saying maplestory is dead since 2006 for christ sake. The reason why there's no people in fm channel 1 is because it's become worthless. Shops are more productive and requires no attention. You clearly haven't been playing that long.

No one cares about evil or justice or whatever. What people care about, is themselves. If someone personally screws them over for doing nothing wrong, people will get mad. Get enough people mad, and you have a problem.

It's already happened, multiple times, nothing has changed, and for you to wait for it based on these observations that have been available to you for almost a decade, is idiotic.